Middle East Conflict of 2023-2024 (Also including the protests related to this)

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Gaza now being razed to the ground. 

[roadtonowhere08]

50 minutes ago, Andie said:

This conflict is so old I doubt they can accurately date - not that it matters.  
However, it will go on long after we’re gone.  
These people can not and never will live in peace.  It’s a waste of time debating it.  
But that won’t stop people doing it.

Are you saying

?

[Andie]

Every time conflict breaks out in that area I think of John Belushi. 
“Food Fight!”

[Iceresistance]

NO NO NO NO!

 

[Andie]

7 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Turkey now making threats. They should be careful lest God strike Istanbul with an 8.0 earthquake and make them pay. 

Actually that big fault is overdue in the Istanbul area. It’s been traveling that way for years.  

[Andie]

This link should take you to a series of 100 photos that say it all.   It’s so very hard to see children suffer and die over all this. 
Nothing good comes from war.  I spent my youth with images of Vietnam on TV.  It was a horrible conflict. All those I knew that came back were quite changed and could see no good for their service.  
This conflict is different. Just bombing till there’s nothing but silence.  
Do look at the photos. They tell the truth without a word. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12679231/100-images-shocked-world-Three-weeks-Hamas-slaughtered-Israeli-families-photographs-illustrate-horrors-attack-dreadful-consequences.html#gallery

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

NO NO NO NO!

 

Not that I trust Turkey any farther than I can throw them, but the truth hurts, eh?

The term "terrorist" is nonsense.  It is a term of perspective and propaganda.

Hamas has a small standing army of misfits who hate Israel and have proven they will kill innocents if told to.  Israel has a well funded and highly trained army of hundreds of thousands who have proven that they will kill innocents if told to.  The end result is the same except Hamas has to kill using more primitive methods while the IDF has the luxury of using precision munitions, better intel, and controls the narrative on media.  Hamas like to parade the dead around while the IDF likes to cut communication to prevent videos from being posted.

Neither have the moral high ground.

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, Andie said:

This link should take you to a series of 100 photos that say it all.   It’s so very hard to see children suffer and die over all this. 
Nothing good comes from war.  I spent my youth with images of Vietnam on TV.  It was a horrible conflict. All those I knew that came back were quite changed and could see no good for their service.  
This conflict is different. Just bombing till there’s nothing but silence.  
Do look at the photos. They tell the truth without a word. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12679231/100-images-shocked-world-Three-weeks-Hamas-slaughtered-Israeli-families-photographs-illustrate-horrors-attack-dreadful-consequences.html#gallery

It's just horrific. 

What is the endgame of either side at this point?  Has anyone really thought it through?  Or just kill until the entire world is dragged into the mess?

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Andie said:

Actually that big fault is overdue in the Istanbul area. It’s been traveling that way for years.  

https://www.gfz-potsdam.de/en/press/news/details/kriechen-und-verhaken-vor-istanbul-systematisches-bild-der-plattengrenze-im-marmara-meer

[Andie]

1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

It's just horrific. 

What is the endgame of either side at this point?  Has anyone really thought it through?  Or just kill until the entire world is dragged into the mess?

They can’t see past their own hate. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

8 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Not that I trust Turkey any farther than I can throw them, but the truth hurts, eh?

The term "terrorist" is nonsense.  It is a term of perspective and propaganda.

Hamas has a small standing army of misfits who hate Israel and have proven they will kill innocents if told to.  Israel has a well funded and highly trained army of hundreds of thousands who have proven that they will kill innocents if told to.  The end result is the same except Hamas has to kill using more primitive methods while the IDF has the luxury of using precision munitions, better intel, and controls the narrative on media.  Hamas like to parade the dead around while the IDF likes to cut communication to prevent videos from being posted.

Neither have the moral high ground.

Hmmm... The Turks... Speaking of a people who has carried out a genocide in the modern era. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[SnarkyGoblin]

18 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Turkey now making threats. They should be careful lest God strike Istanbul with an 8.0 earthquake and make them pay. 

F*ck Erdogan but this is a pretty sh*tty thing to say.

[SnarkyGoblin]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035#:~:text=In August 2019%2C former prime,the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."

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'Keep Hamas alive and kicking'

This symbiotic relationship between Netanyahu and Hamas has been remarked on for years, by both friends and enemies, hawks and doves.

Yuval Diskin, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth in 2013 that "if we look at it over the years, one of the main people contributing to Hamas's strengthening has been Bibi Netanyahu, since his first term as prime minister."

In August 2019, former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu's "strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking … even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] … in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."

The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that "it's easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to."

 

[Andie]

8 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

https://www.gfz-potsdam.de/en/press/news/details/kriechen-und-verhaken-vor-istanbul-systematisches-bild-der-plattengrenze-im-marmara-meer

“In the latter case, the estimated maximum magnitude of 7.4 could even be exceeded.”

Its like a rubber band stretched to the max. Only a matter of time and it will be a big one.  
Good article.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I do have an Anatolian Shepherd mix. She’s around 150lbs and the most brutal dog you will ever find, I’d imagine life in the old country is not easy. Great with the kids though. 

[Andie]

. But has she signed a US loyalty card?!!  Gotta watch those in disguise. 
Gotta watch “them furriners!”

[Iceresistance]

Okay, this is bad

Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight - report (msn.com)

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Okay, this is bad

Russians storm airport in attempt to attack passengers of Israeli flight - report (msn.com)

Well that's fun 

[Iceresistance]

Now there is the Lynching attempts!

 

(Can't post link yet, but the Twitter username is NEXTA)

[SnarkyGoblin]

This looks terrible for Bibi's government. 

How Years of Israeli Failures on Hamas Led to a Devastating Attack

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Until nearly the start of the attack, nobody believed the situation was serious enough to wake up Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to three Israeli defense officials.

Within hours, the Tequila troops were embroiled in a battle with thousands of Hamas gunmen who penetrated Israel’s vaunted border fence, sped in trucks and on motorbikes into southern Israel and attacked villages and military bases.

The most powerful military force in the Middle East had not only completely underestimated the magnitude of the attack, it had totally failed in its intelligence-gathering efforts, mostly due to hubris and the mistaken assumption that Hamas was a threat contained.

Despite Israel’s sophisticated technological prowess in espionage, Hamas gunmen had undergone extensive training for the assault, virtually undetected for at least a year. The fighters, who were divided into different units with specific goals, had meticulous information on Israel’s military bases and the layout of kibbutzim.

Israeli security officials spent months trying to warn Mr. Netanyahu that the political turmoil caused by his domestic policies was weakening the country’s security and emboldening Israel’s enemies. The prime minister continued to push those policies. On one day in July he even refused to meet a senior general who came to deliver a threat warning based on classified intelligence, according to Israeli officials.

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

59 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

This looks terrible for Bibi's government. 

How Years of Israeli Failures on Hamas Led to a Devastating Attack

 

Absolutely. As the dramatic and continued weakening of US standing since the Iraq War has destabilized the world order. 

[Iceresistance]

14 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Now there is the Lynching attempts!

 

(Can't post link yet, but the Twitter username is NEXTA)

Here is the link:

 

[Iceresistance]

@hawkstwelve

 

Update from the map, Israel is coming from the Central and Northern part of the Gaza Strip

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, Iceresistance said:

Here is the link:

 

It is relevant to note this is a majority Muslim region of Russia. Both Putin and the leader of the Orthodox Church in Russia have condemned this event. 

[Iceresistance]

This war has brutally exposed the leftist ideologies.

 

Everything the social justice crowd told us was a lie (msn.com)

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Ran across this a few weeks ago, was going to share it, lost the link, just found the link again.

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

She was beheaded by barbaric Palestinians. 

https://www.kptv.com/2023/10/30/23-year-old-german-israeli-woman-who-grew-up-portland-held-hostage-by-hamas-confirmed-dead/

[roadtonowhere08]

"I'll take 'What started WWIII?' for $500, Alex":

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a

The BALLS of the people who wrote this document.  It was always kind of an open secret that this was a goal of theirs, but D**n, are they going to use windowless boxcars to move the Gazans while they are at it?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

3 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

"I'll take 'What started WWIII?' for $500, Alex":

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a

The BALLS of the people who wrote this document.  It was always kind of an open secret that this was a goal of theirs, but D**n, are they going to use windowless boxcars to move the Gazans while they are at it?

Yeah it certainly wasn’t Palestinians BEHEADING people that set off a chain of events. 

Edited October 31, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[SilverFallsAndrew]

The left in this country has gone wild with an orgy of antisemitism. I have several good friends who are questioning if they are safe in the United States. I ask them if not here then where? Never thought I might have to hide Jews from persecution here in the United States but here we are, starting to have those conversations with friends… “Hey if stuff hits the fan, come bug out here, my neighbors and I will protect you and offer what safe harbor we can.”

Edited October 31, 2023 by SilverFallsAndrew

[SnarkyGoblin]

5 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The left in this country has gone wild with an orgy of antisemitism. I have several good friends who are questioning if they are safe in the United States. I ask them if not here then where? Never thought I might have to hide Jews from persecution here in the United States but here we are, starting to have those conversations with friends… “Hey if stuff hits the fan, come bug out here, my neighbors and I will protect you and offer what safe harbor we can.”

Didn't you just blow off Islamophobia a couple weeks ago when I mentioned it?

I hope you don't think your choice of words on this topic are subtle. 

[Iceresistance]

58 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Didn't you just blow off Islamophobia a couple weeks ago when I mentioned it?

I hope you don't think your choice of words on this topic are subtle. 

It's only going to get worse with the rise of Antisemitism...

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Didn't you just blow off Islamophobia a couple weeks ago when I mentioned it?

I hope you don't think your choice of words on this topic are subtle. 

So it I protect Jews from being killed I’m islamophobic? Ok, got it. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

World rocked by wave of antisemitism.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/politics/antisemitism-unstable-world-analysis/index.html

[SilverFallsAndrew]

11 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

"I'll take 'What started WWIII?' for $500, Alex":

https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-population-transfer-hamas-egypt-palestinians-refugees-5f99378c0af6aca183a90c631fa4da5a

The BALLS of the people who wrote this document.  It was always kind of an open secret that this was a goal of theirs, but D**n, are they going to use windowless boxcars to move the Gazans while they are at it?

Why do I get the feeling you root for Sauron and the Orcs when you watch Lord of the Rings?

[SnarkyGoblin]

27 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

So it I protect Jews from being killed I’m islamophobic? Ok, got it. 

Nice gaslighting. You know that's not at all what I said.

You are outraged at the hate for Jews and talking about *protecting* them (which I'm totally onboard) but you didn't blink an eye when a muslim kid was literally murdered a few weeks ago in Chicago because of Islamophobia.

And your consistent/intentional use of "Palestinians" when you really should be using Hamas.  The dehumanizing is pretty disgusting.

[Iceresistance]

@SnarkyGoblin I remember seeing an article that the hate crime was so bad, there were rabbis that attended the funeral. Which symbolized that hate does not have any place.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

20 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Nice gaslighting. You know that's not at all what I said.

You are outraged at the hate for Jews and talking about *protecting* them (which I'm totally onboard) but you didn't blink an eye when a muslim kid was literally murdered a few weeks ago in Chicago because of Islamophobia.

And your consistent/intentional use of "Palestinians" when you really should be using Hamas.  The dehumanizing is pretty disgusting.

That’s the context I read it in. According to many there is no such thing as a Palestinian. But out of respect I disagree and will call them what they ask to be called. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

8 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The left in this country has gone wild with an orgy of antisemitism. I have several good friends who are questioning if they are safe in the United States. I ask them if not here then where? Never thought I might have to hide Jews from persecution here in the United States but here we are, starting to have those conversations with friends… “Hey if stuff hits the fan, come bug out here, my neighbors and I will protect you and offer what safe harbor we can.”

How many left wing radicals have shot up a synagogue and killed 12 worshipers in the last 10 years?

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According to accounts which were given by Bowers' coworkers, and analysis of his recent social media posts, his conservatism became radicalized as white nationalism; at one point Bowers was fascinated by the right-wing radio host Jim Quinn.^[68] At a later time he became a follower of "aggressive online provocateurs of the right wing's fringe."^[69] He was deeply involved in posting comments on social media websites such as Gab and he also promoted antisemitic conspiracy theories on them.^[70]

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

16 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

How many left wing radicals have shot up a synagogue and killed 12 worshipers in the last 10 years?

 

So it's right wing people marching in the streets waving Palestinian flags? It's right wing people pulling down the missing posters in our cities, threatening Jews on college campuses, glorifying the Palestinian cause? But yes there are right wing folks who are anti-semetic and they are a disease.