November 2023 Weather in the PNW

[Cold Snap]

6 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

I have been doing some digging trying to find some good elevation &/ or acreage within an hour of Seattle (that isn't crazy expensive).

Here is Part one of my list. I will continue this until we get some fun weather.

Found this area between Monroe and Duvall (see link below for more specifics).

Pro's

• Good Elevation: Found an area that goes up to 1400-1500 feet.
• Not crazy expensive (relative to the area): Link to Property Sold
• Barely any neighbors.

Con’s

•  Farther drive to schools/stores
•  Idk much about the area so y’all need to fill in the rest.

It is kind of out there but that area probably does amazing when there is a snow producing CZ. I know Lake Margaret can do pretty well and that’s only at 800’. What are you wanting to know about the area?

[SouthHillFrosty]

19 minutes ago, Cold Snap said:

It is kind of out there but that area probably does amazing when there is a snow producing CZ. I know Lake Margaret can do pretty well and that’s only at 800’. What are you wanting to know about the area?

Thanks for letting me know! In the next couple years, I want to get some acreage within an hour of Seattle with some friends. I would like to have some elevation for better snow. This is one area that I can across that had a lot of elevation tbh. I have only ever lived in the south end so my knowledge of anything north of Seattle/East is about zero.

[MossMan]

More color! 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Price reduction on this one about a mile from me. It's at about 1600'. Our area is generally about a 35-50 minute commute to Salem depending on what part of Salem you are going to, it's also about an hour to hour and a half to Portland depending on traffic. My wife commutes to pretty much the heart of Portland for work, so it can be done. 

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/251-Silver-Falls-Dr-SE-Silverton-OR-97381/2058414068_zpid/

[Cold Snap]

52 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

Thanks for letting me know! In the next couple years, I want to get some acreage within an hour of Seattle with some friends. I would like to have some elevation for better snow. This is one area that I can across that had a lot of elevation tbh. I have only ever lived in the south end so my knowledge of anything north of Seattle/East is about zero.

You’re welcome! I’d say that it’s probably one of the best spots in the lowlands for snow. A lot of times in the winter the convergence zone can bring the snow level down to 1000’ with it so it would definitely be cool to have someone on here who lives there. That area probably does pretty well with cold onshore flow.

[HuskyMaestro]

Just finished a CS algorithms midterm that I feel I did half-decent on… hopefully!Some gorgeous skies to end the day. 54F. 

[MossMan]

1 hour ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

Thanks for letting me know! In the next couple years, I want to get some acreage within an hour of Seattle with some friends. I would like to have some elevation for better snow. This is one area that I can across that had a lot of elevation tbh. I have only ever lived in the south end so my knowledge of anything north of Seattle/East is about zero.

Move to Lake Cavanaugh! You will not be disappointed! Sure it will be more like a 1.5hr drive with zero traffic…But…SNOW!!! 

[Slushy Inch]

3 hours ago, RentonHill said:

December is toast

 

Door is wide open IMO.

[Slushy Inch]

[Slushy Inch]

37 minutes ago, HuskyMaestro said:

Just finished a CS algorithms midterm that I feel I did half-decent on… hopefully!Some gorgeous skies to end the day. 54F. 

Hope you can find a job when you graduate unlike me

[Front Ranger]

Just a cold rain in Denver today, but up in the hills was another story.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Front Ranger said:

Just a cold rain in Denver today, but up in the hills was another story.

Is that a moose?! 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Beautiful evening outside Albany. 

[RentonHill]

53 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Move to Lake Cavanaugh! You will not be disappointed! Sure it will be more like a 1.5hr drive with zero traffic…But…SNOW!!! 

I have alerts set up for anything that goes up for sale on that lake. I will not miss a chance. 

[HuskyMaestro]

27 minutes ago, Slushy Inch said:

Hope you can find a job when you graduate unlike me

I'm on the same boat, man. It blows. Plenty of rejections or just getting ghosted by companies. Stay strong, just gotta keep trying cause it's all a numbers game. 

Tried my chances at software/IT roles at the NWS or NOAA but had no luck either. Thinking of doing meteorology for grad school later down the road, something I'd actually love to do. 

[Front Ranger]

9 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Is that a moose?! 

Two of them. I was a little slow with the camera, had a much better shot 5 seconds earlier. They were initially about ten feet off the road.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Got to 48F for our first sub-50F high in town. Got progressively cloudier as the day went on and we are now socked in.

[TT-SEA]

1 hour ago, HuskyMaestro said:

I'm on the same boat, man. It blows. Plenty of rejections or just getting ghosted by companies. Stay strong, just gotta keep trying cause it's all a numbers game. 

Tried my chances at software/IT roles at the NWS or NOAA but had no luck either. Thinking of doing meteorology for grad school later down the road, something I'd actually love to do. 

My son had a tough time too... sent out hundreds of resumes and personalized cover letters and got almost no responses.   Terrible market for new grads.  But he finally got an interview and then was offered a job and it is a perfect situation for him.   Patience paid off.  It's hard not to get discouraged though.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

My son had a tough time too... sent out hundreds of resumes and personalized cover letters and got almost no responses.   Terrible market for new grads.  But he finally got an interview and then was offered a job and it is a perfect situation for him.   Patience paid off.  It's hard not to get discouraged though.

What are the dynamics at play causing it to be such a tough job market in that field? 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, Front Ranger said:

Two of them. I was a little slow with the camera, had a much better shot 5 seconds earlier. They were initially about ten feet off the road.

Lovely. Seeing a moose in the wild is one of my life goals. 

[TT-SEA]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

What are the dynamics at play causing it to be such a tough job market in that field? 

Not sure.  

[Front Ranger]

16 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Lovely. Seeing a moose in the wild is one of my life goals. 

They are plentiful in the hills/mountains of northern CO. I've probably seen a dozen or so.

Animals I've never seen in the wild that I would love to: cougar, wolf, and (from a safe distance) grizzly bear.

On a hunting trip in WY last year, my dad somehow saw both a wolf and a wolverine...I don't know anyone else who has ever seen a wolverine.

[Front Ranger]

22 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

What are the dynamics at play causing it to be such a tough job market in that field? 

It's a tough job market right now in most fields that pay well, outside of health care and government. At least that's what I'm hearing.

[MossMan]

I see a lot of area districts advertising for bus drivers! 

[HuskyMaestro]

15 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

What are the dynamics at play causing it to be such a tough job market in that field? 

A lot of dynamics at play, but one of the main reasons is that entry-level for tech is oversaturated like crazy, while the amount of people qualified for higher level jobs sharply decrease. So there's a "shortage" for qualified people to work on senior positions, while entry level is very crowded. Like a bottleneck. If it's crazy tough for college graduates now, then the ones who went to bootcamps and got sold on the "anyone can code and make $100K in 8 weeks without a degree" dream essentially have no chance to break through. Another reason why this field is so oversaturated at the entry level.

During the pandemic, Big Tech and other tech companies hired a ton of people to help maintain their systems and apps when everyone was virtual. These companies got waaaay too cocky and thought they had unlimited money. So when things returned to normalcy, they didn't want to pay the excess of employees so Meta, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc, laid off thousands of people as we've seen on the news. And where do these recently fired people, with 8+ years of experience and have worked at world-renowned companies, go? They end up competing with entry level college graduates who have no experience and they get the job over the recent graduates. And it's not just tech too; other STEM graduates have it hard as well from what I heard.

CS is still a very, very good field to get into, always been a rollercoaster of ups and downs, the last time being in 2008 and the dot-com burst. It's very reassuring to know that meteorologists should know how to code at NWS and NOAA, so I got a chance there lol. I graduate next March so I gotta power through

[iFred]

16 minutes ago, HuskyMaestro said:

A lot of dynamics at play, but one of the main reasons is that entry-level for tech is oversaturated like crazy, while the amount of people qualified for higher level jobs sharply decrease. So there's a "shortage" for qualified people to work on senior positions, while entry level is very crowded. Like a bottleneck. If it's crazy tough for college graduates now, then the ones who went to bootcamps and got sold on the "anyone can code and make $100K in 8 weeks without a degree" dream essentially have no chance to break through. Another reason why this field is so oversaturated at the entry level.

During the pandemic, Big Tech and other tech companies hired a ton of people to help maintain their systems and apps when everyone was virtual. These companies got waaaay too cocky and thought they had unlimited money. So when things returned to normalcy, they didn't want to pay the excess of employees so Meta, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc, laid off thousands of people as we've seen on the news. And where do these recently fired people, with 8+ years of experience and have worked at world-renowned companies, go? They end up competing with entry level college graduates who have no experience and they get the job over the recent graduates. And it's not just tech too; other STEM graduates have it hard as well from what I heard.

CS is still a very, very good field to get into, always been a rollercoaster of ups and downs, the last time being in 2008 and the dot-com burst. It's very reassuring to know that meteorologists should know how to code at NWS and NOAA, so I got a chance there lol. I graduate next March so I gotta power through

It’s a numbers game.

use your time to bulk up you GitHub with some side projects you can point to. Apply for internships, again a numbers game.

as long as you’ve got evidence that you built something, you’ll have a leg up over any other new grad or “muh experience” with a mediocre resume.

[Tanis Leach]

On 11/7/2023 at 5:23 PM, snow_wizard said:

Then of course you have the really weird winter of 1929-30.  Torchy through most of December and then epic cold for weeks.  There are some gigantic outlier Nino winters out there.

1929-30 was a moderate La Nina (2nd of 2) though, according to the Australian Beurau of Meteorology. 

[ShawniganLake]

1 hour ago, Front Ranger said:

They are plentiful in the hills/mountains of northern CO. I've probably seen a dozen or so.

Animals I've never seen in the wild that I would love to: cougar, wolf, and (from a safe distance) grizzly bear.

On a hunting trip in WY last year, my dad somehow saw both a wolf and a wolverine...I don't know anyone else who has ever seen a wolverine.

There are a fair number of cougar around here.  But they aren’t seen to often.  I’ve only seen one once. 
 

Don’t think I’ve seen a moose before. 

[Tanis Leach]

23 hours ago, Phil said:

You forgot 2018/19!

And 1919-20. 51-52 wasn't bad either.

 

Only sub 10F high in Eugene, 17.5 inches of snow in Portland plus 2nd coldest (post adjusted) December on record. 

[LowerGarfield]

Down to 33F, a bit colder than expected. 

It looks like my weekend plans the next few days will be cancelled. An Avista pipeline broke south of Colfax so pretty much everywhere between Moscow-Pullman and the LC valley will have their gas shut off and then manually shut on. They could be out for awhile. Thankful that we have heat even if it means my son's Friday day off appointment in Lewiston, flying squirel/lunch in Moscow, and other weekend events probably won't happen.

https://dnews.com/updated-at-6-05-p-m-gas-outage-could-last-several-days-avista-says/article_e44fefda-7e9c-11ee-86c2-13cab6864eaf.html

[Tanis Leach]

1 hour ago, TT-SEA said:

My son had a tough time too... sent out hundreds of resumes and personalized cover letters and got almost no responses.   Terrible market for new grads.  But he finally got an interview and then was offered a job and it is a perfect situation for him.   Patience paid off.  It's hard not to get discouraged though.

Me right now trying to find a meteorology job 10 months post graduation. 

 

Housing market also not making it motivating to look elsewhere. 

[Phishy Wx]

1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Lovely. Seeing a moose in the wild is one of my life goals. 

drive to E WA.  Moose galore

[Phishy Wx]

I'm not seeing much of anything that convinces me this winter is not going to be a dud.  Maybe we get some fun if we get a SSW event to set up so it favors the west.  odds are against us there too, imo.  oh well. they can't all be winners

[Phil]

6 hours ago, MossMan said:

February will be our time to shine! 

Midwinter blocking (NAM/NAO variety) is usually a good bet during health El Niño winters, and that should be the case this winter too.

But the manner(s) in which the tropics teleconnect w/ the middle latitudes during El Niño winters is such that it’s easier to get arctic air into NW North America during Nov/Dec (all else being equal) and becomes increasingly difficult/hostile in Jan/Feb. So wasting that first 1/3rd of the winter with a screaming PV and massive torching in W-Canada is pretty unfortunate, if we’re being honest.

[Phil]

6 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

How was the polar vortex doing in December 1951, 1965, 1972, 1987, or as recently as 2009?!

1972/73 too far back, but we can tease out some tendencies shared by 1987/88 and 2009/10.

There was a record breaking SSW in Dec 1987 that contributed significantly to the early collapse of the niño low pass signature in the tropics that winter.

November 2009 also had the weakest PV on record that time of year, which culminated in the major blocking episode in December.

We’re definitely not following either of those.   Below are the 10mb zonal winds at 60N for 1987/88 and 2009/10.

[Phil]

Compared to this year thus far..basically opposite. PV projected to strengthen to near record values (and I think this projection might be underestimating the strengthening in the medium term).

[ShawniganLake]

Gfs has a bit of wet snow falling here next Wednesday morning  

[Phil]

 

2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Lovely. Seeing a moose in the wild is one of my life goals. 

I skied right past one in Park City UT many years back. Those motherfookers are huge. And ugly.

[Deweydog]

2 hours ago, Front Ranger said:

It's a tough job market right now in most fields that pay well, outside of health care and government. At least that's what I'm hearing.

Trades.

Trades are absolutely desperate.

[RentonHill]

17 minutes ago, Phil said:

 

I skied right past one in Park City UT many years back. Those motherfookers are huge. And ugly.

Like a horse/camel combo. Had this one walk right in front of trail cam in twisp. 
 

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, Deweydog said:

Trades.

Trades are absolutely desperate.

True. There's a gazillion people with MBAs or finance degrees or coding certifications, but very few young people with the skills or desire to work with their hands.

[The Blob]

4 hours ago, HuskyMaestro said:

A lot of dynamics at play, but one of the main reasons is that entry-level for tech is oversaturated like crazy, while the amount of people qualified for higher level jobs sharply decrease. So there's a "shortage" for qualified people to work on senior positions, while entry level is very crowded. Like a bottleneck. If it's crazy tough for college graduates now, then the ones who went to bootcamps and got sold on the "anyone can code and make $100K in 8 weeks without a degree" dream essentially have no chance to break through. Another reason why this field is so oversaturated at the entry level.

During the pandemic, Big Tech and other tech companies hired a ton of people to help maintain their systems and apps when everyone was virtual. These companies got waaaay too cocky and thought they had unlimited money. So when things returned to normalcy, they didn't want to pay the excess of employees so Meta, Amazon, Apple, Google, etc, laid off thousands of people as we've seen on the news. And where do these recently fired people, with 8+ years of experience and have worked at world-renowned companies, go? They end up competing with entry level college graduates who have no experience and they get the job over the recent graduates. And it's not just tech too; other STEM graduates have it hard as well from what I heard.

CS is still a very, very good field to get into, always been a rollercoaster of ups and downs, the last time being in 2008 and the dot-com burst. It's very reassuring to know that meteorologists should know how to code at NWS and NOAA, so I got a chance there lol. I graduate next March so I gotta power through

This is why I'm going back to nursing where they need people.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Field goal.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

GEFS

 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Touchdown for folks up north.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Night folks. GFS at least shows some eye candy out in fantasyland. Something fun to look at for a few runs. Hopefully the Alaska blocking can become more pronounced and drive storms to the south, coming inland around Gold Beach.

[Snownerd3000]

We always get our tree the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Would be fun shopping for a tree with snow flying. 

[Christensen87]

[TT-SEA]

Stunning sunrise.

[Slushy Inch]

3 hours ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Field goal.

I’m telling y’all at least a cool end to Nov is coming!