Politer Politics

[Hoosier]

55 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Emerson polled 1000 folx in PA. 481 said they are voting for VP Harris, 481 said they are voting for President Trump. Of the 19 undecided 12 said they are leaning towards Harris 7 said Trump. This thing is looking CLOSE.

Could be a problem for Trump though if undecided voters break for Harris at nearly 2 to 1 in the swing states.  Hard to draw broad conclusions about the undecideds from this one poll though.

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

The denial of J6 by the cult members is fascinating.   Go back to the comments made by all GOP leaders on January 7th 2021.    Everyone knew what happened and why... but history has been re-written for political reasons.   Go back to your own comments back then.   And also why many of you were hoping Trump wouldn't run again.    I honestly believe if Trump showed up at a rally in full camo and opened fire on the audience he would still get 30% of the popular vote.  No joke.  

 

J6 was pathetic. More like a big crowd pressuring Pence to not certify the votes. The left is planning something much worse.

 

[Hoosier]

58 minutes ago, hawkstwelve said:

Initial reports are putting the number of missiles at around 180. Almost half of what was fired in April. Certainly not an Iran declaration of all-out war, at least on its face. US sources are saying most of the missiles were intercepted and the attack was largely ineffective.

The videos from today's attack though seemed much more dramatic with the number of explosions on the ground.  I think Iran fired a combination of different types of missiles in April and like 99% of that stuff was intercepted... maybe not quite as high a percentage were intercepted today, which could explain things.

With this being the second time that Iran has done this, I would expect a harsher response from Israel this time but we'll see.

[TT-SEA]

40 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

J6 was pathetic. More like a big crowd pressuring Pence to not certify the votes. The left is planning something much worse.

 

It would be fitting if Kamala leads a mob into the capitol to prevent Trump’s certification if she loses.   I am sure then it would be a really big deal on the right.

[SnarkyGoblin]

38 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

The videos from today's attack though seemed much more dramatic with the number of explosions on the ground.  I think Iran fired a combination of different types of missiles in April and like 99% of that stuff was intercepted... maybe not quite as high a percentage were intercepted today, which could explain things.

With this being the second time that Iran has done this, I would expect a harsher response from Israel this time but we'll see.

Yeah and there were a lot of ballistic missiles so they were harder to intercept.  I think that's also different from the last attack.

From the reports I'm reading, the Iranian president was urging restraint to the Ayatollah.  The revolutionary guard pressed for a response saying they were looking weak on the world stage by not responding to recent Israeli targeting.

Guess who won the argument?

Also seeing retired Israeli generals urging to attack the nuclear sites with bunker busting bombs.  They think this is the time for the world to allow an attack. 

Which may be a red line with Iran. Hence the escalation.

[SnarkyGoblin]

12 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Yeah and there were a lot of ballistic missiles so they were harder to intercept.  I think that's also different from the last attack.

From the reports I'm reading, the Iranian president was urging restraint to the Ayatollah.  The revolutionary guard pressed for a response saying they were looking weak on the world stage by not responding to recent Israeli targeting.

Guess who won the argument?

Also seeing retired Israeli generals urging to attack the nuclear sites with bunker busting bombs.  They think this is the time for the world to allow an attack. 

Which may be a red line with Iran. Hence the escalation.

Don't know how reliable this is but..

https://www.jns.org/jns-poll-israeli-public-believes-now-is-the-time-to-attack-irans-nuclear-installations/

And this was taken before the attack lol.

Edit: leaving link up but it seems like a terrible poll.  Jns kinda feels like the Breitbart of Israel in English. Not a great sampling of people 

[TT-SEA]

Lets hope the pollsters made corrections from 2020...

[snow_wizard]

3 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Okay here come some swing state polls.

Quinnipiac:

Georgia: Trump +6

North Carolina: Trump +2

Remington Research

Michigan: Harris +2

Wisconsin: TIED

PA: Trump +1

Nevada: Trump +1

Emerson

North Carolina: Trump +1

Arizona: Trump +4

WAY better for Trump than 2020. I like our chances.

[snow_wizard]

14 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Lets hope the pollsters made corrections from 2020...

We shall see.  This doubt makes the polls kind of worthless, unfortunately.

[TT-SEA]

Just now, snow_wizard said:

WAY better for Trump than 2020. I like our chances.

See above... would be nice if they over-corrected for 2020 and errors go the other way this time around.

[Andie]

Rest in Peace Jimmy.  
100 years of service.  

[TT-SEA]

15 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

We shall see.  This doubt makes the polls kind of worthless, unfortunately.

Do you know when the Purge day will be after Trump wins?     I like to plan ahead.   A day of bloody violence with no consequences sounds fun.   I am definitely leaning Trump now.   Kamala didn't mention anything like this in her plans.   

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Andie said:

Rest in Peace Jimmy.  
100 years of service.  

Did he die?  

[Tenochtitlan]

Just now, TT-SEA said:

Did he die?  

He didn’t die. He turned 100 today.

[snow_wizard]

2 minutes ago, Tenochtitlan said:

He didn’t die. He turned 100 today.

Phew!   That's what I thought.

[TT-SEA]

Really low energy Trump in press conference just now.   Like surprisingly low energy.   Even Trump gets tired and exhausted from all his antics.

[Hoosier]

3 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Really low energy Trump in press conference just now.   Like surprisingly low energy.   Even Trump gets tired and exhausted from all his antics.

People are saying it's the lowest energy ever.  Nobody's ever seen anything like it.  

 

[TT-SEA]

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

People are saying it's the lowest energy ever.  Nobody's ever seen anything like it.  

 

I just skimmed it and he looks so tired.   I did hear him say SF was the absolute best city in the country 18 or 19 years ago.    Somehow I doubt he thought that in 2006.   

[Slushy Inch]

8 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

If Trump wins I have a feeling leftists are going to break and burn a lot of things.  Aside from January 6 the Republicans just don't do a lot of that.  Furthermore, January 6 was just one location and most of them were peaceful.

All leftists?

[Slushy Inch]

The most shocking Trump policy is caping credit card interest rates at 10 percent temporarily. AOC and Bernie created the same policy proposal and it didn’t even cap it that low, it’s a straight up leftist policy. But zero percent chance that ever passes.

[Slushy Inch]

45 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Really low energy Trump in press conference just now.   Like surprisingly low energy.   Even Trump gets tired and exhausted from all his antics.

Makes sense that he sounds sleepy when he’s regurgitating the same talking points and is late 70s.

[Anti Marine Layer]

46 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I just skimmed it and he looks so tired.   I did hear him say SF was the absolute best city in the country 18 or 19 years ago.    Somehow I doubt he thought that in 2006.   

You have the same first name as Walz.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

If the hurricane had hit Ukraine $100bn would already be on the way. Rural Americans just don’t matter to this administration. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

You have the same first name as Walz.

And my youngest brother.

[StormchaserChuck1]

58 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Really low energy Trump in press conference just now.   Like surprisingly low energy.   Even Trump gets tired and exhausted from all his antics.

Him getting enough sleep could be the difference in this election. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

5 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

If the hurricane had hit Ukraine $100bn would already be on the way. Rural Americans just don’t matter to this administration. 

Equity 

[Thermal Trough]

3 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Emerson polled 1000 folx in PA. 481 said they are voting for VP Harris, 481 said they are voting for President Trump. Of the 19 undecided 12 said they are leaning towards Harris 7 said Trump. This thing is looking CLOSE.

As I’ve said before this election will be the closest since 2000 when Bush won Florida by 0.009% (537 votes) out of almost 6 million cast in the state. Pennsylvania will be this years Florida. We likely will need a recount in PA.

[TT-SEA]

13 minutes ago, StormchaserChuck1 said:

Him getting enough sleep could be the difference in this election. 

This tired version of Trump is way better for his chances... he would probably guarantee a win if just stayed in bed all of October.     That is being totally serious.  

[Thermal Trough]

VP debate in 15 minutes! Should be the last debate since Harris and Trump won’t debate again.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

On 9/30/2024 at 4:16 PM, Slushy Inch said:

People have odd politics these days. My dad went from Bernie to Trump because of immigration. Rfk was shitting on Trump go look up the videos, then they make a deal and they’re best buds. Now rfk is going to get Trump to do stuff on food and chemical regulations when Trump deregulated the crap out of that stuff. Also rfk is anti-vaccine and Trump did operation warp speed. Go read what RFK caused in 2019 in Samoa during the measles outbreak. What a sicko. Plus JD says Trump could be Americas hitler, now he is a sycophant. 

Pretty surprising that you need to tell me that Vance and RFK have both slandered trump before, as if I wouldn't know already. For RFK, they clearly acknowledge their differences but are united on the major topics they agree upon, and I think it's great that a classical liberal and modern conservative can unite, the fact that a lot of people can't unite over differences is part of what's ruining this country. For JD Vance I honestly don't know what to think, maybe he's faking it, maybe he changed, hopefully it's the latter.

I dont completely agree with RFK on vaccines but I think a certain level of caution is needed, for some vaccines, not all, but some. 

[Slushy Inch]

4 minutes ago, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

Pretty surprising that you need to tell me that Vance and RFK have both slandered trump before, as if I wouldn't know already. For RFK, they clearly acknowledge their differences but are united on the major topics they agree upon, and I think it's great that a classical liberal and modern conservative can unite, the fact that a lot of people can't unite over differences is part of what's ruining this country. For JD Vance I honestly don't know what to think, maybe he's faking it, maybe he changed, hopefully it's the latter.

I dont completely agree with RFK on vaccines but I think a certain level of caution is needed, for some vaccines, not all, but some. 

 I don’t know how informed everyone is.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

My moneys on no clear winner in this debate, and there's really no point in having it because nobodys vote will be changed by this, unless one of them had a major slip up or got destroyed in the debate.

 

If there is a clear winner, I find it more likely that it'll be JD, but chances are the only winners today will be the audience.

[Sunriver Snow Zone]

1 minute ago, Slushy Inch said:

 I don’t know how informed everyone is.

Fair enough

[TT-SEA]

Just now, Sunriver Snow Zone said:

My moneys on no clear winner in this debate, and there's really no point in having it because nobodys vote will be changed by this, unless one of them had a major slip up or got destroyed in the debate.

 

If there is a clear winner, I find it more likely that it'll be JD, but chances are the only winners today will be the audience.

There was a clear winner in the last 2 debates.   But this one is destined to be evenly split with both sides saying they won.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I think Vance will mop the floor with Walz but the media will seize in something Vance says that is “weird.”

[Andie]

Quite possibly true.   
Each will declare victory.    
But that’s the nature of political debates. Never declare defeat.  
Walz’s furrowed brow betrays his confident declaration. 
I’ve been enjoying Walz’s braggadocio over his trips to China- not. Certainly not being in Tiananmen Square during the uprising.  Read that earlier today.  
Let’s just say he sometimes stretches the truth.  
Politics is a mosh pit of liars on both sides to be honest.   

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Walz is already flustered. 

[Andie]

2 hours ago, TT-SEA said:

Did he die?  

He’s close. There’s a kind of death watch going on as he’s showing signs of failure beyond recent behavior.   
Remarkable. He’ll be our oldest President.  

[TT-SEA]

At least we have a traditional and respectful debate.    The Trump debates are just lunacy and can't wait until he gone from the scene.  Such a horrible role model.   

I think Vance is a good role model.   He is patient and soft spoken.   I also think he was right about Trump for so many years and no doubt thinks the same thing today about him but he is laying the ground work for himself to be president some day.  And outside of Trump’s orbit I think would be just fine.

[Front Ranger]

I'm watching a coherent debate.