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6 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

It's all time state record highs.  I should have explained it better.  He had the data listed by state as well.  One of the bigger surprises for me was the all time record high for WA is actually 2 degrees higher than Nebraska.

By daily records? And who had it listed?

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 40

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8 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Definitely true, the Arctic blast in January was pretty insane…but it was tough not getting any snow out of it. I’ve never seen such a solid deep freeze in my lifetime though which was pretty nuts. 

It’s interesting but just not that enjoyable for me. Snow seems to be by far the most universally loved weather phenomenon by the community here. After that there’s a lot of variation as to how excited (or upset) different posters get about different events. I find the universal love of snow kind of interesting because there’s no real rational reason to get so excited about it and yet there’s this group of people who all stare at street lights hoping to see a stray flake. 

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17 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Yeah that’s true, it’s just my opinion if you’re looking at something statistically you take more than 1 location to make an actual “grade” of a winter. Not that it’s really all that important 😂

Not important?  How can you possibly say that? 😲

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2 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

By daily records? And who had it listed?

Yes...it is absolute all time max temps for each state.  Weatherbell did it, but it wasn't Bastardi.  I knew this was going to go sideways. 🤣

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Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

Coldest Low = 35

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Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

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1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

It wasn't from agriculture.  We were in an extremely amplified regime in the 1930s.  I still say that decade was more freaky than anything recently.  You have to hand it to the global warming folks.  They have a man caused excuse for everything that doesn't fit their narrative.  

You need to untrap yourself from this othering way of thinking. There are no enemies or villains in the scientific pursuit of knowledge. You constantly try to "own" the "other side" with your cherrypicked graphs ripped from right wing media outlets. I think you spend far too much time on the internet radicalizing yourself and limiting your own worldview. This planet and all the secrets of life are much bigger than "left" versus "right".

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 40

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2 hours ago, Slushy Inch said:

As time goes it would make logical sense for records to be harder to achieve. How long had we been keeping records in 1930s?

No, These are all time high temps. I take with a grain of salt because dust bowl basically temporarily changed the climate in the middle of the country. Soil mismanagement by HUMANS.

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5 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

It wasn't from agriculture.  We were in an extremely amplified regime in the 1930s.  I still say that decade was more freaky than anything recently.  You have to hand it to the global warming folks.  They have a man caused excuse for everything that doesn't fit their narrative.  

I spoke too soon, it looks like the drought itself wasn’t caused by agriculture. (Is it certain that it wasn’t in some part caused by desiccation of soils from loss of native grasses, though?)

The enormous, billowing clouds of dust were, though…

So it’s still an example of how human activity can affect the weather. Since dust storms are weather. 

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https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0810200106#:~:text=La Nina conditions%2C with additional,amplified the drought (1).
 

I’m reading this study which is positing land surface change (destruction of native grasslands as a result of agriculture) as a contributing factor to the Dust Bowl drought’s severity…

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Just now, snow_wizard said:

Yes...it is absolute all time max temps for each state.  Weatherbell did it, but it wasn't Bastardi.  I knew this was going to go sideways. 🤣

You'd probably fare a lot better here if you weren't so aloof about this discussion.

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Weather stats for MBY

Snowfall:

-Total snowfall since joining: 50.25"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-2021-22: 8.75"

-2022-23: 5.75"

-2023-24*: 0.25"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.25”; January 17th, 2024

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 13F; December 27th, 2021

-Phreeze Count 2023-24: 40

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25 minutes ago, TacomaWx said:

Definitely true, the Arctic blast in January was pretty insane…but it was tough not getting any snow out of it. I’ve never seen such a solid deep freeze in my lifetime though which was pretty nuts. 

bare ground and -10 here.  brutal.  wasted blast, probably could've pulled off -20 to -25 with a decent snow pack

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9 minutes ago, T-Town said:

It’s interesting but just not that enjoyable for me. Snow seems to be by far the most universally loved weather phenomenon by the community here. After that there’s a lot of variation as to how excited (or upset) different posters get about different events. I find the universal love of snow kind of interesting because there’s no real rational reason to get so excited about it and yet there’s this group of people who all stare at street lights hoping to see a stray flake. 

The rarity of it in the low elevations makes it more special.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2024-25 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 51F (Oct 30, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 29F (Oct 25, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 2 (Most recent: Oct 25, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 0 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Last ice storm accumulation: Jan 16, 2024 (2.25”)
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Total ice since joining TheWeatherForums: 2.25"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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7 minutes ago, DeepFriedEgg said:

No, These are all time high temps. I take with a grain of salt because dust bowl basically temporarily changed the climate in the middle of the country. Soil mismanagement by HUMANS.

We were in a highly abnormal atmospheric configuration in the 1930s.  It even shows up in records from our area.  The decade featured ridiculous extremes.  Nature did at least part of it.  D**n you guys are brainwashed.  I'm sure you think the same about me so....

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Total Snowfall = 0.0

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Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

Coldest Low = 35

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

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5 minutes ago, Tenochtitlan said:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0810200106#:~:text=La Nina conditions%2C with additional,amplified the drought (1).
 

I’m reading this study which is positing land surface change (destruction of native grasslands as a result of agriculture) as a contributing factor to the Dust Bowl drought’s severity…

It could have contributed for sure.  As I say that decade was messed up though.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

Coldest Low = 35

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

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2 minutes ago, Tenochtitlan said:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0810200106#:~:text=La Nina conditions%2C with additional,amplified the drought (1).
 

I’m reading this study which is positing land surface change (destruction of native grasslands as a result of agriculture) as a contributing factor to the Dust Bowl drought’s severity…

My understanding is:

1. Soil mismanagement causes native grasses to die. Soil moisture is not retained.

2. Dry soils cause drier air and thus higher temps.

3. Combine this with drought and highly amplified regime.

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1 minute ago, snow_wizard said:

We were in a highly abnormal atmospheric configuration in the 1930s.  It even shows up in records from our area.  The decade featured ridiculous extremes.  Nature did at least part of it.  D**n you guys are brainwashed.  I'm sure you think the same about me so....

Did you see the study I linked to? Seems like there would have been a drought anyway but it was worse because of the huge amount of dust produced by agriculture/soil erosion.

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6 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

You'd probably fare a lot better here if you weren't so aloof about this discussion.

I guess the we're all going to die rhetoric has been a huge turnoff for me.  I know we'll be fine regardless.

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Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

Coldest Low = 35

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

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3 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Definitely a 10/1/1988 vibe to today.

 

Certainly kind of a La Nina autumn vibe.  

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Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

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Lows 20 or below = 0

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3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

We were in a highly abnormal atmospheric configuration in the 1930s.  It even shows up in records from our area.  The decade featured ridiculous extremes.  Nature did at least part of it.  D**n you guys are brainwashed.  I'm sure you think the same about me so....

lol. You’re the one denying that there was any human component. I am saying it was likely both and probably impossible to know how the relative amounts.

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4 minutes ago, Eugene-5SW said:

With today's 92º at EUG, 2024 moves into sole possession of 4th place all-time for number of 90+ highs at 32, trailing only 2014 (36), 2021 (42), and 2022 (34).

It's wild how much warmer it is here but I'm assuming a downsloping component to it causes Springfield to be warmer than the airport more often. Sometimes it's only a single degree like 89F at EUG and 90F in Downtown Springfield. We had 40 here so 8 more times.

It's gonna be interesting to see how the late fall and winter temps show the variance.

Springfield, Oregon regular season 2024-25 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 51F (Oct 30, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 29F (Oct 25, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 2 (Most recent: Oct 25, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 0 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Last ice storm accumulation: Jan 16, 2024 (2.25”)
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Total ice since joining TheWeatherForums: 2.25"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I guess the we're all going to die rhetoric has been a huge turnoff for me.  I know we'll be fine regardless.

I don’t think we’re all going to die from climate change but I don’t think we’ll all be fine either. I see it as just one part of the mess us humans have gotten ourselves into. But this isn’t the “western USA microplastics forum” so I stick mostly to climate change here lol.

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3 minutes ago, Tenochtitlan said:

I can’t imagine how apocalyptic it must have felt. Three-foot visibilities in those dust storms…just insane. 

I'm sure it was truly awful.

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Winter 2024-25 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 0.0

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.0

Coldest Low = 35

Lows 32 or below = 0

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

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3 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

It's wild how much warmer it is here but I'm assuming a downsloping component to it causes Springfield to be warmer than the airport more often. Sometimes it's only a single degree like 89F at EUG and 90F in Downtown Springfield. We had 40 here so 8 more times.

It's gonna be interesting to see how the late fall and winter temps show the variance.

IIRC, there were a lot of 89s at EUG this year.

My personal count is at 27. A little more forested, a little higher up.

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2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I'm sure most people would pick 2008-09 over it. For the western US 2022-23 was clearly better though. Not sure the last time Oregon had two top 10 all-time cold months (November and March) in that period. 

I wish I could combine the last two winters. We had nearly 50” of snow in big bursts last winter but warmed up in between. Lots of little stuff added up to 48” in 22-23 and stuck around due tot he cold but nothing big. 

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Elevation: 3550'

 

Snow History:

Nov: 1"

Dec: .5"

Jan: 1.9"

Feb: 12.7"

Mar: 1.0"

Total: 17.1"

 

2016/2017: 70"

2015/2016: 34"

Average: ~25"

 

2017/2018 Winter Temps

Lowest Min: 1F on 2/23

Lowest Max: 23F on 12/24, 2/22

Lows <32: 87

Highs <32: 13

 

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1 hour ago, snow_wizard said:

It wasn't from agriculture.  We were in an extremely amplified regime in the 1930s.  I still say that decade was more freaky than anything recently.  You have to hand it to the global warming folks.  They have a man caused excuse for everything that doesn't fit their narrative.  

Uh dude poor agricultural practice’s definitely played a role. That’s just a fact. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2023-24: 39.5"                   2023-24: 76.88

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 73.43"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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55 minutes ago, DeepFriedEgg said:

My understanding is:

1. Soil mismanagement causes native grasses to die. Soil moisture is not retained.

2. Dry soils cause drier air and thus higher temps.

3. Combine this with drought and highly amplified regime.

They tore up the sod and the topsoil blew away. It’s always windy on the plains. They understood it was a man made disaster even at the time. It also was exacerbated by the collapse of the commodity markets with the Great Depression. This caused desperate farmers to try to put more land into production in order to produce their way out of the situation which not only exposed more bare topsoil, but tanked the wheat market even further. It was absolutely calamitous. Yes there was a naturally occurring drought, but there was a significant human caused component. I don’t think that’s generally controversial for folks or any political stripe. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2023-24: 39.5"                   2023-24: 76.88

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 73.43"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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2 minutes ago, Thermal Trough said:

Good news for Ben Noll. He’s going to become a meteorologist in Washington DC. He’s been in New Zealand since 2016. I always enjoy his weather analysis and maps.

 

I’m sitting right outside the WWII memorial right now. My favorite US city. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2023-24: 39.5"                   2023-24: 76.88

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 73.43"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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