Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Phil said: Looks like some kind of white pine. Western white pine (Pinus monticola) is native to some areas of the Salish Sea lowlands, where it prefers areas with glacial hardpan soils. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 hours ago, TT-SEA said: Its been very wet over the last month in WA and western OR... and not so much elsewhere in the West. HIO only had 8 days with 0.04" or more in the last two months. Those days just had particularly heavy rain. It hasn't felt overly wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Western white pine (Pinus monticola) is native to some areas of the Salish Sea lowlands, where it prefers areas with glacial hardpan soils. Though on closer inspection, it looks more like a Scots pine (Pinus sylvestris) or a Japanese red pine (Pinus densiflora), neither of which are native, but both of which are commonly planted here. A picture from closer up would help. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbolin Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jesse said: It’s definitely some sort of pine. Well, if you can ascertain what type of tree it is, I'll give you a virtual high five. http://nativeplantspnw.com/conifers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Jbolin said: Well, if you can ascertain what type of tree it is, I'll give you a virtual high five. http://nativeplantspnw.com/conifers/ Maybe a virtual beer ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbolin Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Jesse said: Maybe a virtual beer ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 28 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Western white pine (Pinus monticola) is native to some areas of the Salish Sea lowlands, where it prefers areas with glacial hardpan soils. Whitebark pine and limber pine are also in the white pine family. I’m like 80% sure it’s a white pine? The split trunk is pretty common with whitebark pine IIRC. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Beer grows on trees here in Rocky Mountain Coors Country. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Phil said: Whitebark pine and limber pine are also in the white pine family. Neither are commonly planted as ornamentals or native to this region. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Neither are commonly planted as ornamentals or native to this region. Whitebark Pine is native to the NW. So is the western white pine. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 My favorite trees are the ones with lots of snow on them. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Phil said: Whitebark Pine is native to the NW. So is the western white pine. Whitebark pine is only found in the high mountains, never in the lowlands. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Eujunga said: Weighing in on the pine question: Grab a branch and examine the needles. They have to be in groups of 5 for it to be any type of white pine, including limber or whitebark. I doubt it's either of those, as they prefer alpine conditions at much higher elevation. Needles in groups of 2, could be ponderosa or lodgepole or knobcone. The scraggly appearance makes me lean toward knobcone. White pines can grow well outside their “native” range, though. They don’t procreate efficiently there, but they’ll grow. My house is surrounded by thick stands of white pine, and this place is essentially tropical for 30% of the year. They’ve grown like weeds despite being native to the higher terrain originally. They were planted as saplings in 1984. Now they’re 60-80 feet tall. They have a distinct growing pattern vs any other conifers that grow here. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Eujunga said: Needles in groups of 2, could be ponderosa or lodgepole or knobcone. The scraggly appearance makes me lean toward knobcone. Needles too short for ponderosa. Doesn’t look right for lodgepole or shore pine (both native, both subspecies of the same species). Besides, these two are rather specialized and fussy about where they grow here and thus not common. Knobcone is not commonly used as an ornamental or native to this area. I’m going with Scots pine. It’s very commonly planted, and often has a sparse appearance like the one pictured. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Currently 49. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Phil said: White pines can grow well outside their “native” range, though. They don’t procreate efficiently there, but they’ll grow. Whitebark and limber pines, the two white pine species Eujunga was talking about, are not commonly grown as ornamentals. They do not fare well in a lowland climate. Whitebark in particular is adapted to the highest elevations; typically when climbing above timberline in the Cascades, the last trees one will see will be whitebark pines. Eastern white pine, which is almost certainly the one planted at your place, yes, that is a common ornamental, even here in the west, and it does fine in the lowlands. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayla Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 44/30 here today with white Spruce trees this morning. 1 Quote Cold Season 2023/24: Total snowfall: 26" Highest daily snowfall: 5" Deepest snow depth: 12" Coldest daily high: -20ºF Coldest daily low: -42ºF Number of subzero days: 5 Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: https://www.wunderground.com/personal-weather-station/dashboard?ID=KMTBOZEM152#history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MossMan said: Currently 49. Trees? 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Needles too short for ponderosa. Doesn’t look right for lodgepole or shore pine (both native, both subspecies of the same species). Besides, these two are rather specialized and fussy about where they grow here and thus not common. Knobcone is not commonly used as an ornamental or native to this area. I’m going with Scots pine. It’s very commonly planted, and often has a sparse appearance like the one pictured. Isn’t Scots Pine a Eurasian tree? Beyond that, its certainly possible. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Phil said: Isn’t Scots Pine a Eurasian tree? Beyond that, its certainly possible. Certainly is! Grows throughout northern Eurasia, from Scotland in the west to Vladivostok in the east. Also a very common ornamental. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Whitebark and limber pines, the two white pine species Eujunga was talking about, are not commonly grown as ornamentals. They do not fare well in a lowland climate. Whitebark in particular is adapted to the highest elevations; typically when climbing above timberline in the Cascades, the last trees one will see will be whitebark pines. Eastern white pine, which is almost certainly the one planted at your place, yes, that is a common ornamental, even here in the west, and it does fine in the lowlands. We have eastern and western white pine growing here. Planet ornamentally, obviously. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Phil said: We have eastern and western white growing here. That’s unusual. Western white pine is not commonly planted in the east, to my knowledge. It’s larger, darker, and has denser foliage and larger cones than its eastern cousin, though still obviously a white pine and very closely-related to it. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 A lot of wind lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 So I will say whatever it is was probably planted soon after the house was built in the early 70s, so it could be non native. I have a few random trees that are bit out of place including what I believe to be some kind of Spruce that has huge pine cones. I planted an Alaska Cedar soon after I moved in and it is doing quite well. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, SouthHillFrosty said: A lot of wind lately The fire station just up the road gusted to 45 the other day. They also had a 40+ gust on Sunday. They are a little more exposed than my location though. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: The fire station just up the road gusted to 45 the other day. They also had a 40+ gust on Sunday. They are a little more exposed than my location though. You guys are also getting a little bit of wind also then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 30 minutes ago, Deweydog said: Trees? Inches of snow by Thanksgiving. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, iFred said: I love wind storms that show up only a day or two out. I’ll be on the Edmonds ferry going to Sequim when that blows on through. Should be fun. Don't blow away. We like the new forum updates. Also, have you ever thought of creating an app eventually? Ik that would be a lot of work 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Here are some close ups I just took of the needles. I can’t reach any of the branches so this is as good as I can do right now. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 This is a picture of one of the volunteers below that tree... it doesn’t even look like the same type of tree though, unless maybe just because it is an immature version? Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 November 2006 redux December 2008 redux January 2020 redux February 2019 redux March 2019 redux Coming soon to a 2020/21 season near you!! 4 1 1 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakeinthevalley Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 My conifers are all dead due to the drought and heat from the last couple years..... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, jakeinthevalley said: My conifers are all dead due to the drought and heat from the last couple years..... I was worried about that, but only a couple of them died, and only one large tree. I think we are high enough the heat and drought were not a huge issue. Down in the Eugene area it is awful. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I like Moss Man’s trees the best, FWIW. 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Looks like everybody is getting onboard for a little wind tomorrow. Sorry guys gotta ride this wind since we aren't getting the cold 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, SouthHillFrosty said: Looks like everybody is getting onboard for a little wind tomorrow. Sorry guys gotta ride this wind since we aren't getting the cold Not Oregonians 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Looking at pictures of lodgepole cones, I think Jesse is right. Also it puts off an incredible amount of pollen in late spring. Not sure how many conifers do that? Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 27 minutes ago, MossMan said: November 2006 redux December 2008 redux January 2020 redux February 2019 redux March 2019 redux Coming soon to a 2020/21 season near you!! Replace March 2019 with March 2002 and you have yourself a deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Defense Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Looking at pictures of lodgepole cones, I think Jesse is right. Also it puts off an incredible amount of pollen in late spring. Not sure how many conifers do that? If they are putting off lots of pollen, I'm guessing they can't be white pines, Phil says those have trouble bumpin uglies..... Quote Britton Rd Bellingham Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWABELLI103?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminen Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 20 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Looking at pictures of lodgepole cones, I think Jesse is right. Also it puts off an incredible amount of pollen in late spring. Not sure how many conifers do that? Not sure if it is a lodgepole pine or not but I have some kind of pine tree right out side here and this spring it produced big clouds of pollen for about 1-2 weeks. It was pretty bad because I'm allergic to it. Its needles are medium length and relatively thick (not short like jack pine nor long like ponderosa). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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