Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 39 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Here are some close ups I just took of the needles. I can’t reach any of the branches so this is as good as I can do right now. [edited] Thanks for the pics. Still going with Scots pine. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Thanks for the pics. Still going with Scots pine. After looking at more pics of Scots Pine, I think I have to tentatively agree with you. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 49 minutes ago, iFred said: I love wind storms that show up only a day or two out. I’ll be on the Edmonds ferry going to Sequim when that blows on through. Should be fun. I lived on Bainbridge for five years, and got to experience being on a ferry in windy conditions more than once. They seldom cancelled the Seattle/Bainbridge run due to weather. Takes a lot to cause serious issues for boats that big. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted October 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Nov 29 2006...a bone-chilling 41F. We can do better than that. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said: Nov 29 2006...a bone-chilling 41F. We can do better than that. Snowed about 10-15” up here with that... Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted October 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Snowed about 10-15” up here with that... Awesome!! I don't remember that day for any reason nor does anyone in the south Willamette Valley. We are a shittty location and I wish I could move. 2 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, luminen said: Not sure if it is a lodgepole pine or not but I have some kind of pine tree right out side here and this spring it produced big clouds of pollen for about 1-2 weeks. It was pretty bad because I'm allergic to it. Its needles are medium length and relatively thick (not short like jack pine nor long like ponderosa). Pretty much conifers produce “big clouds of pollen.” Being wind-pollinated, they have to. The odds of any one pollen grain finding its way to a female cone are not good. I am horribly allergic to grass and ragweed pollen, but thankfully most tree pollens bother me only a little or not at all. During mid-to-late spring on Bainbridge, everything got coated with yellow dust. Pollen from the firs and hemlocks. This is not a good place to live if you are seriously allergic to tree pollen! 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Awesome!! I don't remember that day for any reason nor does anyone in the south Willamette Valley. We are a shittty location and I wish I could move. Maybe someday…. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Nov 29 2006...a bone-chilling 41F. We can do better than that. I was on day 4 without power and sub freezing temps. What an epic week that was! Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Awesome!! I don't remember that day for any reason nor does anyone in the south Willamette Valley. We are a shittty location and I wish I could move. I thought you just remembered the exact day, and even the temperature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, MossMan said: I was on day 4 without power and sub freezing temps. What an epic week that was! KBLI had a 17/12 day on the 28th of that month, but I wasn’t here to experience it. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 The tree discussion sure branched out. Hahahahaha! I think it's probably a Scot's pine from everything I am seeing, Andrew. They sure like planting those along local freeways, especially for a non-native. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbacca Defense Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: KBLI had a 17/12 day on the 28th of that month, but I wasn’t here to experience it. I was here, that was a good one. My wife's cousin came to visit for Thanksgiving, and we were closed up in the house the whole time (did not have a car that did well in the snow at the time). 2 Quote Britton Rd Bellingham Weather Station: https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KWABELLI103?cm_ven=localwx_pwsdash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: KBLI had a 17/12 day on the 28th of that month, but I wasn’t here to experience it. I had to stay at my dads place, he didn’t have power either but he had a wood burning fireplace insert which kept the house warm. I was living at the family lake house at the time that only had electric heat so I couldn’t stay there. I believe our temp on the 28th was 22/13. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Jesse said: The tree discussion sure branched out. Hahahahaha! I think it's probably a Scot's pine from everything I am seeing, Andrew. They sure like planting those along local freeways, especially for a non-native. At least it’s not super-invasive, like WSDOT’s favorite erosion-control shrub of the 30’s and 40’s: Scotch broom. Yes, it was deliberately planted at one time. It's why there is so much more of a Scotch broom problem in Washington than Oregon today. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted October 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jesse said: I thought you just remembered the exact day, and even the temperature. I had to look it up since I didn't even remember my friends from WA talk about this while I was at UofO. Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Awesome!! I don't remember that day for any reason nor does anyone in the south Willamette Valley. We are a shittty location and I wish I could move. My brother was going to UO at the time. He said it snowed like an inch. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted October 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: My brother was going to UO at the time. He said it snowed like an inch. Guess it was a party night then. 1 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, MossMan said: I had to stay at my dads place, he didn’t have power either but he had a wood burning fireplace insert which kept the house warm. I was living at the family lake house at the time that only had electric heat so I couldn’t stay there. I believe our temp on the 28th was 22/13. It’s always struck me as odd that there’s so many all-electric homes (with no backup or fallback systems whatsoever) in rural areas that are prone to lengthy outages. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: At least it’s not super-invasive, like WSDOT’s favorite erosion-control shrub of the 30’s and 40’s: Scotch broom. Yes, it was deliberately planted at one time. It's why there is so much more of a Scotch broom problem in Washington than Oregon today. I believe it. That's why the entire I-5 corridor thorough Washington up through the northern Puget sound is a giant swath of scotch broom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I would say the three most common trees on my property by far are. Douglas Fir, Alder, Vine Maple. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: Guess it was a party night then. At least now we can believe you that you truly don't remember the day or event. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: I would say the three most common trees on my property by far are. Douglas Fir, Alder, Vine Maple. My top three are Douglas-Fir, Black Cottonwood, and Quaking Aspen. 1 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 We had about an acre of scotch broom when I bought the place. Once I got it cleaned out it hasn’t been hard to keep at bay. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: It’s always struck me as odd that there’s so many all-electric homes (with no backup or fallback systems whatsoever) in rural areas that are prone to lengthy outages. How it was when they built back then. Our lake house started as a small cabin that my grandparents built in the late 1950’s, was remodeled and added onto in the late 70’s so it was still all baseboard heat but did have a fireplace...But of course we were in the middle of converting it into a gas fireplace. The pipe was not done being run in 2006 so the baseboard was the only heat and no generator there. We did a large remodel in 2012 with updated heat and now the gas fireplace works and also we have a generator there as well. It was just bad timing in November 2006. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminen Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: My top three are Douglas-Fir, Black Cottonwood, and Quaking Aspen. How do those aspens do at low elevation? Don't see many of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, luminen said: How do those aspens do at low elevation? Don't see many of them... They do fine. Aspens are not super-common in general in this region but they are found here and there west of the Cascades. There’s some on Vashon Island, and in Beaverton, OR (and probably other spots as well). They’re actually quite common in my immediate area. It’s the most widespread tree in North America, found from coast to coast. P.S. By which I mean, they are native and grow wild here. Nobody had to plant them. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, MossMan said: How it was when they built back then. Our lake house started as a small cabin that my grandparents built in the late 1950’s, was remodeled and added onto in the late 70’s so it was still all baseboard heat but did have a fireplace...But of course we were in the middle of converting it into a gas fireplace. The pipe was not done being run in 2006 so the baseboard was the only heat and no generator there. We did a large remodel in 2012 with updated heat and now the gas fireplace works and also we have a generator there as well. It was just bad timing in November 2006. This reminds me, our furnace in our old house went out and had to be replaced back in November 2008. Lo and behold, we had to have someone out today to replace a coil on our system....................... 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 12 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: My top three are Douglas-Fir, Black Cottonwood, and Quaking Aspen. Aspen in Bellingham? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: We had about an acre of scotch broom when I bought the place. Once I got it cleaned out it hasn’t been hard to keep at bay. It’s not extremely aggressive and will generally only invade disturbed areas. But where it’s left unchecked it will cover acres. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jesse said: Aspen in Bellingham? Yes, it's native here! See my other post. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: Here are some close ups I just took of the needles. I can’t reach any of the branches so this is as good as I can do right now. Ha. I have no idea what that is tbh. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Phil said: Ha. I have no idea what that is tbh. Maryland alpine fir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luminen Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: Yes, it's native here! See my other post. Are you sure? Aspens do not grow naturally at low elevations, especially in such a mild climate. They prefer higher lands or at the very least, colder climates. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Chewbacca Defense said: If they are putting off lots of pollen, I'm guessing they can't be white pines, Phil says those have trouble bumpin uglies..... Ha, quite the opposite. They coat the entire property in a layer of yellow ash. If it gets windy, there’ll be thick clouds of yellow that blow off the branches. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, luminen said: Are you sure? Aspens do not grow naturally at low elevations, especially in such a mild climate. They prefer higher lands or at the very least, colder climates. Could be a sub-species. Bellingham area is chillier than most of the I-5 corridor in Oregon and Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 21 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said: My top three are Douglas-Fir, Black Cottonwood, and Quaking Aspen. Tulip poplar, slippery elm, and white pine here. I remember when I was in West Seattle a few years ago I saw a tulip poplars planted as street trees in one of the neighborhoods. They were doing quite well, which surprised me. Somehow they seem to manage the dry summers out there. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 I like all snow covered trees. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Phil said: Tulip poplar, slippery elm, and white pine here. I remember when I was in West Seattle a few years ago I saw a tulip poplars planted as street trees in one of the neighborhoods. They were doing quite well, which surprised me. Somehow they seem to manage the dry summers out there. A lot of the really out of place plants in residential areas around here are probably pampered by whoever planted them. Throw them in the wild for a few years and they would perish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted October 16, 2020 Report Share Posted October 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, luminen said: Are you sure? Aspens do not grow naturally at low elevations, especially in such a mild climate. They prefer higher lands or at the very least, colder climates. Aspens most definitely do grow naturally at low elevations! There are wild aspens growing in Chicago and New York City (in the larger parks that have patches of intact forest), plus the locations I mentioned earlier. In the popular imagination, aspens are strictly a Rocky Mountain tree. While they are most abundant in the Rockies, they are found in many more other places. Yes, I am sure. There are even herbarium records from about 100 years ago with collections of aspens from western Whatcom County. Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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