Weather1011 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 41 minutes ago, Phil said: Especially since it’s La Niña and we know the low pass signal favors western troughing as IPWP forcing becomes more favorable with time (as wavelengths increase). Makes sense that some of the better midwinter patterns out there were preceded by warmer conditions in late fall/early winter. These +WPO/+PNA patterns often correlate to significant wave driving thru NPAC and when forcing becomes more favorable again... So in other words it will eventually get snowy and cold lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, snow_wizard said: The EPS continues to like the idea of rapid height rises over the NC Pacific in the Dec 8 to Dec 10 time frame. In the meantime we should see well below normal temps next week thanks to the inversion. The big league cold needs to wait until the 20th when I get back from Oklahoma. I won’t mind if I miss a warning shot though. Then I ll be home doing my Kate Brown mandated quarantine for two weeks and I’m up for anything in that stretch. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: The EPS continues to like the idea of rapid height rises over the NC Pacific in the Dec 8 to Dec 10 time frame. In the meantime we should see well below normal temps next week thanks to the inversion. The EPS weeklies are actually quite impressive. Strong signal for cold loading in western Canada (and warmth across Greenland + NPAC). Have to double check the baseline climatology, but cold anomalies are actually deeper than the warm anomalies by the middle of January. Usually it’s the opposite signal at that range, with warm anomalies everywhere except Greenland and the Aleutians. Interesting to see this instead. 1 1 1 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 12Z EPS... looks fairly zonal by the end of the run. 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 The ECMWF weeklies look great for late December. The last couple of CFS runs look similar. People are probably ready to see some eye candy. The control gets pretty crazy as we get into January. 3 1 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, Phil said: The EPS weeklies are actually quite impressive. Strong signal for cold loading in western Canada (and warmth across Greenland + NPAC). Have to double check the baseline climatology, but cold anomalies are actually deeper than the warm anomalies by the middle of January. Usually it’s the opposite signal at that range, with warm anomalies everywhere except Greenland and the Aleutians. Interesting to see this instead. That is quite good for that far out. 1 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 It's remarkable how consistent the ECMWF weeklies have been in showing the PNA going minus at mid month in December. A good 4 or 5 consecutive runs now. 1 2 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 It's a pretty big deal we are getting a good signal for a cold January at all. The default for about the past 30 years has been pretty consistently terrible for that month. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubus Leucodermis Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said: New Mexico or Colorado? Northern New Mexico. White Rock, specifically. 2 Quote It's called clown range for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 As interesting as the EPS Control run looks, it’s actually one of the less blocky outcomes amongst the array of solutions in the NPAC. At least 20 members are dislodging the TPV into BC/Alberta with blocking over AK/Aleutians and Greenland, bottling significant cold into SW Canada. Much higher potential in a setup like that, versus the ones with a tight vortex remaining at the pole. 3 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 40 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: That is quite good for that far out. That’s..putting it lightly. If I were you guys, I’d take advantage of these next few weeks to rest up. Bound to be some all nighters before long (cough..Rob..cough). 1 1 1 3 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, Phil said: That’s..putting it lightly. If I were you guys, I’d take advantage of these next few weeks to rest up. Bound to be some all nighters before long (cough..Rob..cough). I have been summoned. But.... BUT.... There's so much to track! Inversions, 925mb temps, PDX-DLS/TTD-DLS gradients! I don't know how to NOT post the 00z runs every night. 00z GFS in 5 hours 33 minutes 00z GEM in 6 hours 3 minutes 00z ECMWF in 7 hours 48 minutes 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I would probably suffer from some nasty withdrawal symptoms if for some unforeseen reason I could not post the 00z runs. I shudder at the mere thought. 18z GEFS (Pivotal) in 1 hour 1 minute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Happy Thanksgiving all! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowHawks Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Ok so for us casual observers, is this a good trend or bad? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 12z WRF-GFS For those east wind fans, freaks, and fanatics, you're going to love this! Tuesday afternoon east wind develops. By Tuesday night it becomes strong and overnight into early Wednesday morning it is absolutely raging. Check out those tightly packed isobars! The PDX/TTD-DLS gradient looks to be around -10mb to -12mb. That's impressive. This is probably the beginning of a long duration east wind event. The 12km Sounding observed over PDX shows an impressive 50-55kts aloft. That's pretty decent. This will be the first east wind event of the Fall season and worthy of a Crown Point visit. C'MON!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthHillFrosty Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Colder runs ahead Boi’s 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 25 minutes ago, DJ Droppin said: 12z WRF-GFS For those east wind fans, freaks, and fanatics, you're going to love this! Tuesday afternoon east wind develops. By Tuesday night it becomes strong and overnight into early Wednesday morning it is absolutely raging. Check out those tightly packed isobars! The PDX/TTD-DLS gradient looks to be around -10mb to -12mb. That's impressive. This is probably the beginning of a long duration east wind event. The 12km Sounding observed over PDX shows an impressive 50-55kts aloft. That's pretty decent. This will be the first east wind event of the Fall season and worthy of a Crown Point visit. C'MON!!! Labor Day windstorm earlier this fall was pretty strong in terms of east wind. Probably would have been worth a visit to crown point if everything wasn’t catching on fire. Even up here we had 55mph gusts. 1 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, SnowHawks said: Ok so for us casual observers, is this a good trend or bad? Good. A weaker stratospheric vortex means colder air can be released from the pole. What you'd generally want to see as we head into mid-winter. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Up to.03” on this drizzly day! Still 43 degrees. 1 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 18z looked rijy. 1 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 There is some strong signal for some cold air to filter into the region mid or 3rd week of Dec. How cold? Still ways out but guess we’ll keep an eye out. In the mean time, rest up and enjoy the calmer period, some of us might need it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowHawks Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Well then grab your prozac-model riding here we come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, SnowHawks said: Well then grab your prozac-model riding here we come. It’s something to watch but don’t be surprised if it changes. I’ll be watching closely too as there’s nothing else to do with the virus going around keeping everyone home. Really hope this winter delivers in a big way when everyone’s at home during quarantine so everyone can enjoy it at home. 3 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 I'm pretty excited about a realistic shot at decent January this winter. Historically speaking that is our magical month. It blows any other month out of the water as far as potential for long lasting cold and snowfall. Still a long way to go, but the signs are there. 2 2 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Cloud said: There is some strong signal for some cold air to filter into the region mid or 3rd week of Dec. How cold? Still ways out but guess we’ll keep an eye out. In the mean time, rest up and enjoy the calmer period, some of us might need it. Even in the short term we have some pretty chilly weather coming next week. Going to get winter off on a cold foot. 2 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gradient Keeper Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Historic Winter on the way. 00z GFS in 2 hours 4 minutes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 IPWP convection quickly becomes a cold west signal by the middle of December (it’s a warm signal now under +EAMT). Might regret this post later, but I’d honestly be surprised if the lower elevations don’t see accumulating snowfall during the third week of the month. In fact, the entire second half of December would appear to hold potential upon early extrapolation. Most interested I’ve been in a pattern since 2018/19. 1 3 1 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just a little taste of what January can do here. As an aside this cold wave in January 1886 was actually a pretty typical event in the incredible 1880s. I like how long lasting the cold was and how snow fell during very cold weather. The only day I know the depth of the snow for sure is the one day it is given. Just a nice solid event. BTW this is from Tacoma. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Phil said: IPWP convection quickly becomes a cold west signal by the middle of December (it’s a warm signal now under +EAMT). Might regret this post later, but I’d honestly be surprised if the lower elevations don’t see accumulating snowfall during the third week of the month. In fact, the entire second half of December would appear to hold potential upon early extrapolation. Most interested I’ve been in a pattern since 2018/19. The thing catching my eye is how fast the heights rise over the North Central Pacific during the second week of December on most models. Just like a switch is flipped. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 Stand back and stand by!!! 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted November 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 47 minutes ago, Phil said: IPWP convection quickly becomes a cold west signal by the middle of December (it’s a warm signal now under +EAMT). Might regret this post later, but I’d honestly be surprised if the lower elevations don’t see accumulating snowfall during the third week of the month. In fact, the entire second half of December would appear to hold potential upon early extrapolation. Most interested I’ve been in a pattern since 2018/19. Ok, looks like he has put his chips down. 1 1 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted November 27, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 If I were a bookie it would be probly +100 on a regional lowland event. Most years for us it'd be like +550 or so. 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 31 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said: If I were a bookie it would be probly +100 on a regional lowland event. Most years for us it'd be like +550 or so. You are certainly correct that regional events have been very difficult to come by lately. Things like that are easier to pull off in January. If we get our Januaries back we might see more of it. 1 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Weather1011 Posted November 27, 2020 Report Share Posted November 27, 2020 30 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: You are certainly correct that regional events have been very difficult to come by lately. Things like that are easier to pull off in January. If we get our Januaries back we might see more of it. I just don't want you getting really upset when your expectations get let down. I hope you get what you want but sometimes you need to understand this isn't 1950. We can talk at the end of the winter and you can hype any anolag you want but it's a new climate. Best to relaxx and let it happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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