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November 2020 Weather Observations for the PNW


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2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Ahhhh... typical Jesse.  Strawman building specialist!

Its nice to get a break even after a normal November.    Its normally a wet month.    

Does not have to be record setting wet to look forward to some sun and dry weather.

Why even reply? Everyone knows Jesse is annoying by this point. He has even surpassed you in that regard with his latest campaign of weather righteousness.  

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Maybe I just wasn't lucky so far. I'm getting behind some of my previous winters by a handful of inches of snow as of today. I'd already have 6+ last November. 1/10" is still my total.

11/06/2020 - Wet"
11/07/2020 - 0.10"
11/10/2020 - T"
11/13/2020 - T"
11/14/2020 - Wet"
11/22/2020 - T"
11/25/2020 - T"

Some nice freezing fog this morning and 28 degrees now. 

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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1 minute ago, luminen said:

More pines, less firs please!

An 8C cloudy morning here. :mellow:

About vegetation - funny enough, I actually know of two California valley oaks growing in Beaverton. They’re not native up here but they are very nice trees nontheless. Most massive oak species in the West and possibly even North America.

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Up to 38F. Looks like we got down to 30F.

Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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6 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

About vegetation - funny enough, I actually know of two California valley oaks growing in Beaverton. They’re not native up here but they are very nice trees nontheless. Most massive oak species in the West and possibly even North America.

 

Those are Oregon white oaks. They are actually native to western Oregon and Washington. Areas of oak savannah used to extend up the Willamette Valley all the way to the southern Puget sound. There is even a west side sub-species of ponderosa pine that is adapted to this environment (drier, shadowed areas west of the Cascades). I think it is found all the way up to the Fort Lewis area, which has actually managed to preserve some large swaths of native prairie by nature of being a military reservation.

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8 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Those are Oregon white oaks. They are actually native to western Oregon and Washington. Areas of oak savannah used to extend up the Willamette Valley all the way to the southern Puget sound. There is even a west side sub-species of ponderosa pine that is adapted to this environment (drier, shadowed areas west of the Cascades). I think it is found all the way up to the Fort Lewis area, which has actually managed to preserve some large swaths of native prairie by nature of being a military reservation.

I know that, but these didn’t look like any Oregon white oak I’ve seen. The bark looked a bit different and the tree was a lot wider at the crown. Looked on sequoiatrees.com, a good source for getting to know many common Western tree species, and the valley oak (lobata) looked like a very good match. 

I could very easily be wrong though, could just be a very old garry oak. 

The pondies are interesting. I did a bit of research on them not too long ago. Genetically they are much more similar to southern Oregon and California ponderosas (ssp benthamiana) than eastside ponderosas (ssp ponderosa) but a lot of sources say they’re still somewhat different from the southern OR ponderosas. Some have proposed creating a new subspecies but some botanists say they are too similar. It was actually quite rare to find these Willamette Valley ponderosas at one point but restoration efforts have caused a comeback, you can now see a lot of young ones growing in the west valley. 

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5 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Those are Oregon white oaks. They are actually native to western Oregon and Washington. Areas of oak savannah used to extend up the Willamette Valley all the way to the southern Puget sound. There is even a west side sub-species of ponderosa pine that is adapted to this environment (drier, shadowed areas west of the Cascades). I think it is found all the way up to the Fort Lewis area, which has actually managed to preserve some large swaths of native prairie by nature of being a military reservation.

There’s areas of oak savanna as far north as the rain-shadowed parts of Vancouver Island. Here in Whatcom County, you can find native oaks on south-facing rocky areas in the Chuckanut Mountains.

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1 minute ago, Jesse said:

Looking like a pretty classic early December inversion scenario coming up, with a shot of some cool air followed by some persistent ridging.

Nice to see some members dipping back below average toward the end of the run too.

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The pessimist in me believes it will be one of those episodes of ridgy garbage with little or no stratus and fog where it proves difficult to achieve so much as reliable overnight frost. And I hope I am wrong about that.

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3 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

The pessimist in me believes it will be one of those episodes of ridgy garbage with little or no stratus and fog where it proves difficult to achieve so much as reliable overnight frost. And I hope I am wrong about that.

Ok I'll bite. Wouldn't stratus and fog make frost less likely? You generally need cool skies and radiational cooling for frost.

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Early Dec is usually a nice time period for at least moderate snowstorms down here. Might not see that this time.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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49 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Ahhhh... typical Jesse.  Strawman building specialist!

Its nice to get a break even after a normal November.    Its normally a wet month.    

Does not have to be record setting wet to look forward to some sun and dry weather.

Never seen u post a picture of clouds and drizzle before. I know it’s graphic material but part of me isn’t convinced it rains there at all.

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7 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Ok I'll bite. Wouldn't stratus and fog make frost less likely? You generally need cool skies and radiational cooling for frost.

You are correct, but I’ve seen disgustingly mild wintertime ridges where it is both mostly clear and has difficulty reaching freezing at night.

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22 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

There’s areas of oak savanna as far north as the rain-shadowed parts of Vancouver Island. Here in Whatcom County, you can find native oaks on south-facing rocky areas in the Chuckanut Mountains.

Yep. There are tons of Oaks up here.  Their leaves are just about finished falling for the season 

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10 minutes ago, Phil said:

Never seen u post a picture of clouds and drizzle before. I know it’s graphic material but part of me isn’t convinced it rains there at all.

You have said this before... and I have.   Even videos of heavy rain!   Whatever I find interesting or pretty. 

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Ok, it’s time. Christmas week.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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13 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

12Z EPS...

 

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Wonder when/if the GfS will start to hint at a change.

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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8 minutes ago, Jesse said:

There were some drooping members on the long range GEFS Andrew.

Drooping members. Oh my. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, luminen said:

There are tons and tons of oaks on Newcastle Island just off of Nanaimo. Weird little microcosm there.

They seem to like the dry rocky hillsides with limited topsoil around here.  And there are lots of areas on the Gulf islands that fit that description. 

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8 minutes ago, luminen said:

Yes, moreso than Nanaimo itself. Even the west side of that little island is more lush than the eastern side.

 

;)

From what I can tell there is no comparison. The west side of Vancouver island has a pretty cool maritime climate once you get north of Tofino or so 😵

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8 minutes ago, Jesse said:

From what I can tell there is no comparison. The west side of Vancouver island has a pretty cool maritime climate once you get north of Tofino or so 😵

Don’t even have to go that far.

This is just a two hour drive from Victoria, and 50 mile straight line distance:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Renfrew

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