Pacific NW July 2014 Discussion

[Chris]

Sunshine and Thunderstorms

[Phil]

Still trapped in the swamp that is DC...god please help me...this feels worse than 110 in Scottsdale AZ

[richard mann]

.. Hanna Montana, says hang in their bud. 

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?/forum/4-pacific-northwest/

[Phil]

.. Hanna Montana, says hang in their bud.

Haha.

 

Seriously this place should be uninhabited, it's like you're walking in a hot tub. Humidity so thick it lowers your visibility and clogs your lungs.

 

No wonder our politicians lose brain cells when they get here

[Jesse]

Warm and windy out here. 87 currently with a DP of 48.

[Deweydog]

Haha.

 

Seriously this place should be uninhabited, it's like you're walking in a hot tub. Humidity so thick it lowers your visibility and clogs your lungs.

 

No wonder our politicians lose brain cells when they get here

 

Keep us posted!

[Phil]

Keep us posted!

If I stop ranting, it means I've perished

[Deweydog]

If I stop ranting, it means I've perished

 

It'll be an awkward mix of happiness and sadness.  

[Phil]

It'll be an awkward mix of happiness and sadness.

You're an a**

 

[richard mann]

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.. Wonder what's going on of general interest, weatherwise, in the PNW.

 

Maybe I'll check "The Weather Forums". 

[richard mann]

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http://www.atmos.washington.edu/weather/sat.shtml

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Geez it was hot today! 92 up here today. Tied for my warmest temp in 3 summers with Aug 4, 2012.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

My hottest temp of last summer was June 30th, so this could be it.

[Jesse]

98/61 out here today with breezy conditions and low humidity. Hot, but not too bad.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

PDX hit 99 officially

[Jesse]

80 at PDX, 71 out here. I love living away from the urban heat island.

[Jesse]

Someone should pin this thread.

[Jesse]

12z runs say we are in for a pretty hot first half of the month. Bring it.

[Jesse]

In the mean time. Overcast, breezy and pleasantly cool this morning.

 

68 currently. It was already approaching 90 at this time yesterday.

[Phil]

Tourists are actually puking at the National Mall...this city sucks

 

98F with a 74 dp...I might not make it

 

 

http://catchmypicture.com/f/YCEjVD/800.jpg

[TT-SEA]

Tourists are actually puking at the National Mall...this city sucks

 

98F with a 74 dp...I might not make it

 

 

http://catchmypicture.com/f/YCEjVD/800.jpg

 

According to you... that is cold compared to your 3,000 foot elevation where dewpoints are in the low 80s all summer! A dewpoint of 74 is very low for you.

[Deweydog]

Tourists are actually puking at the National Mall...this city sucks

 

98F with a 74 dp...I might not make it

 

 

http://catchmypicture.com/f/YCEjVD/800.jpg

 

[Deweydog]

In non-east coast news, PDX with a max/min record this morning of 64.  It'll be a good evening of thermometer watching to see if it can get counterfeited.  

[Jesse]

Low of 65 here this morning.

[Phil]

According to you... that is cold compared to your 3,000 foot elevation where dewpoints are in the low 80s all summer! A dewpoint of 74 is very low for you.

Nice one.

 

Dewpoints are essentially the same as back home...it's just 10 degrees hotter here, with more sunshine and concrete/asphalt..

 

Again, you're an azzhat

[SilverFallsAndrew]

It was 59 at my place this morning.

[TT-SEA]

Nice one.

 

Dewpoints are essentially the same as back home...it's just 10 degrees hotter here, with more sunshine and concrete/asphalt..

 

 

Again, you're an azzhat

 

Its 78.8 with a dewpoint of 66 in McHenry right now.

 

Heat index at your house is 81.

 

Heat index in DC is 109.

 

It ain't even close to being the same... and that is why you are suffering.   And that is why your area is considered a cool haven in the summer for the people in DC.

[Phil]

Its 78.8 with a dewpoint of 66 in McHenry right now.

 

Heat index at your house is 81.

 

Heat index in DC is 109.

 

It ain't even close to being the same... and that is why you are suffering. And that is why your area is considered a cool haven in the summer for the people in DC.

Yeah it's significantly cooler up there, but dewpoints are usually within 2-3 degrees, sometimes higher at my place if winds are westerly.

 

Today there was an EML present...which was mixed down via earlier convection, while here in DC we had S winds and were capped:

 

http://catchmypicture.com/f/Aj8PP9/640.jpg

[Chris]

In non-east coast news, PDX with a max/min record this morning of 64.  It'll be a good evening of thermometer watching to see if it can get counterfeited.  

 

Surely you expected no less, given the warm SST's we had.

[richard mann]

Tourists are actually puking at the National Mall...this city sucks

 

98F with a 74 dp...I might not make it .....

 

.. It's on report "Phil". (You just can't take the hint, apparently. @)

 

".. Not in any way, shape or form related to the weather of the PNW. 

 

Slow day, activity, notwithstanding. ... People, members or guests, I would wager, do not tune in this thread to find out what's going on out east." 

[richard mann]

Nice one.

 

Again, .....

 

@  Have another beer, and maybe a nice long nap.

[Deweydog]

Surely you expected no less, given the warm SST's we had.

 

Had.  Things are getting dangerously chilly out there.  

[Chris]

Had.  Things are getting dangerously chilly out there.  

 

Oh ****.  Does that mean we're in for a dreary, drizzly, wrist-slitting summer?

[TT-SEA]

Had.  Things are getting dangerously chilly out there.  

 

 

Yes... the entire NE Pacific is well below normal.  

 

http://s28.postimg.org/v8esovpy5/SST.jpg

[richard mann]

Yeah... the holiday weekend looks great now.  ....

 

And then it gets even warmer next week.

So how are the models lookin' for the 5th and 6th at this point then, Tim. ?

[Tyler Mode]

Sunrise this morning...

http://weathercrazy.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Trillium-Sunrise-7214

[TT-SEA]

So how are the models lookin' for the 5th and 6th at this point then, Tim. ?

 

Perfect up here.

 

Nothing like the ECMWF showed on that crazy run last weekend though.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Interesting blog post by mNel

 

http://fox12weather.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/today-was-melt-out-day-on-mt-hood/

[TT-SEA]

For comparison... here is where began the month of June:

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.6.2.2014.gif

 

 

And here is where we begin the month of July:

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.7.3.2014.gif

 

 

 

As I said... the pattern in early June with a strong surface high offshore would dent the +PDO and the warm anomalies off our coast but if history was a guide it would be temporary and we would end up right back where we started.

[Deweydog]

For comparison... here is where began the month of June:

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.6.2.2014.gif

 

 

And here is where we begin the month of July:

http://www.ospo.noaa.gov/data/sst/anomaly/2014/anomnight.7.3.2014.gif

 

 

 

As I said... the pattern in early June with a strong surface high offshore would dent the +PDO and the warm anomalies off our coast but if history was a guide it would be temporary and we would end up right back where we started.

 

[Phil]

Hope it's ok if I post this here...an absolutely beautiful storm. Offshore reports of sustained winds over 100mph, which somewhat impressive for an early-season storm:

 

http://catchmypicture.com/f/St9q2Q/800.jpg

[Phil]

Live feed from JP (storm chaser) in the middle of it..for anyone interested..insane:

 

Was just showered with sparks from an exploding transformer: http://m.ustream.tv/channel/chasercam-live

[Jesse]

Happy Fourth everyone!

 

Beautiful day in progress here. Currently 66 after a pleasantly cool low of 54. Should be heading for 80 today or just short of it.

[richard mann]

Hope .....

 

... "springs eternal".

 

Live feed from JP (storm chaser) in the middle of ….. [nowhere.]

.. Will you ever get the "clue". ?  (I wonder.)

 

... If again, .. I don't understand why you feel that you need to use this thread as a "general catch-all" for anything and everything that you find noteworthy and / or interesting weather-wise, when it's plainly been designated "Pacific NW July 2014 Discussion".

 

And with this, why you either whether won't or can't trust in the idea that people tuning in here—members (even if more sparse at this point.), guests, whomever—won't note or be able to find what you've had in mind to post where it would be, both more appropriately, and more in line with the way that the Staff here have set up different categories / main sub-forums, more toward the idea of working to differentiate (organize.) different main weather or climate themes.

 

It looks like Fred has taken the "New Content" element out of the main "Welcome" to the site message, main front page. Perhaps the idea (A link to it.) should be made more prominent there—in addition to and apart from the more simple top menu icon to the left. But just dropping in whatever here—certainly where considering what you decide to, quite often certainly only, if at all more remotely relating / related to the PNW—is ultimately counter-productive as I see it. …. And, with this, as others have suggested to you previously, certainly somewhat intrusive. / .. over the line more generally, even arrogant more essentially. 

 

As I've worked to suggest to you in the past more myself, the more academic approach, if or where you might be "hoping" to communicate whatever, to whomever more from the PNW, and with thinking to perhaps, by posting whatever here, .. would be to post whatever, where more appropriate, and then drop in a link to it here. ….

 

— Then at least, whatever response to it, won't work to clutter up this thread. This, or either more otherwise, and if as with this set of "inserts" of yours above, to detract (potentially. ?) from peoples' interest more in what is or might be going on, in the Pacific Northwest. 

 

.. If a bit lengthy (Of necessity. ?) .... "Hope", this is clear.                        @

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=viewNewContent&search_app=forums

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?/topic/574-the-tropics-tropical-storm-arthur-atlantic-region/

[richard mann]

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http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?/topic/573-pacific-nw-july-2014-discussion/?p=29555  (post no. 44 above.)

[GHweatherChris]

Perfect weather today, 71 degrees and partly cloudy and just a slight breeze.

 

I am so glad I do not live in a coastal region.

[Jesse]

12Z runs look hot. 

[Jesse]

Ensemble support for the 12Z EURO's hot solution starting next weekend looks pretty good.  12Z GFS ensemble mean is still close to climo, though.

[richard mann]

 

So how are the models lookin' for the 5th and 6th at this point then, Tim. ?

Perfect up here.

 

Nothing like the ECMWF showed on that crazy run last weekend though.

 

hey Tim.

 

.. Not much going on. So we might as well look as this. (For fun.) .. $ Main focus here just below.

 

Here is the 'bad data' from yesterday morning for ... (7/5):

 

http://old.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/getchart/catalog/products/forecasts/medium/deterministic/msl_uv850_z500!Geopotential%20500%20hPa%20and%20Temperature%20at%20850%20hPa!168!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public_plots!2014062812!!chart.gif

 

 

Here is the 12Z ECMWF from Friday for next Saturday (7/5):

http://old.ecmwf.int/products/forecasts/d/getchart/catalog/products/forecasts/medium/deterministic/msl_uv850_z500!Geopotential%20500%20hPa%20and%20Temperature%20at%20850%20hPa!192!North%20America!pop!od!oper!public_plots!2014062712!!chart.gif

.. Set against what actually transpired, where and with looking at the main initializations (t+000VT) since, for 12z daily.

 

http://www.proxigee.com/20140626_12z_850%3A500hPa_t+000vt_2014050512.gif

 

Basically, if you check through what I'd been trying to have you look at—i.e. more in line with the more basic potential (at all.) where considering the broader circumstance where looking at the "odd" run, appreciated at the time as an "outlyer", or "bad" one, to have verified. .. Or, anything anywhere near to it, being my more specific meaning, both now and at the time, ...

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?/topic/541-pacnw-june-2014-discussion/?p=29354

 

.. You'll see that what I'd said, has in fact taken place. Again, where looking at the over-all and more general potential. And in fact more than the run's not having accounted for main colder air's progressive "slowing" east, that I'd point to, it also apparently hadn't accounted for a / the steady expansion (movement and spread) of colder air, daily more southward.  @

 

And so then, finally, both runs set with what actually transpired. ....

 

http://www.proxigee.com/3_run_20140705_12z_850%3A500hPa.gif

[TT-SEA]

hey Tim.

 

.. Not much going on. So we might as well look as this. (For fun.) .. $ Main focus here just below.

 

.. Set against what actually transpired, where and with looking at the main initializations (t+000VT) since, for 12z daily.

 

http://www.proxigee.com/20140626_12z_850%3A500hPa_t+000vt_2014050512.gif

 

Basically, if you check through what I'd been trying to have you look at—i.e. more in line with the more basic potential (at all.) where considering the broader circumstance where looking at the "odd" run, appreciated at the time as an "outlyer", or "bad" one, to have verified. .. Or, anything anywhere near to it, being my more specific meaning, both now and at the time, ...

 

http://theweatherforums.com/index.php?/topic/541-pacnw-june-2014-discussion/?p=29354

 

.. You'll see that what I'd said, has in fact taken place. Again, where looking at the over-all and more general potential. And in fact more than the run's not having accounted for main colder air's progressive "slowing" east, that I'd point to, it also apparently hadn't accounted for a / the steady expansion (movement and spread) of colder air, daily more southward.  @

 

And so then, finally, both runs set with what actually transpired. ....

 

http://www.proxigee.com/3_run_20140705_12z_850%3A500hPa.gif

 

 

That run I referenced with bad data definitely had bad data.   No question.