Tom 15614 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Folks, we have just about made it through 2020, but first, we need to get through the last month of the calendar year and the start of met Winter! Who's ready?? If there is anyone on here that is more eager to see a fast start to winter...raise your hands up in the air! Finally, after many false starts in years past, most of our Sub across the eastern/southern tier will indeed be "flipping the script" this year in 2020. After analyzing a ton of data and using LR pattern recognition techniques, it does appear highly likely that the long awaited start to met Winter will feature an exciting start if you live in the eastern Sub. On the flip side, those of you up north and even out west, you'll prob have to wait till mid month for some action. Where shall we begin??? Let's start at the top of the atmosphere at 10mb and focus on the evolution of the Polar Vortex. Even though the models are predicting a strong PV, similar to 2013-14, it does favor a NW Flow aloft and some slight influence of warming near Siberia/N PAC that will influence the PV and "funnel" cold air into North America. My gut told me early on that this would be the year of the return of the "Greenland Block". Wouldn't ya know it, in a timely fashion, it will appear as we open up December. It took a while, but in recent days, all the modeling is picking up on an expansive block to open up December. When do I think the action will shift farther west??? Well, the tool that has been rock solid for me this season is the clues up in the Strat and where warm/cold pools are forming. Take a look at the last frames in the 50mb animation below right around Nov 20-22nd...you see the blue colors (trough) shift from the EC down into the SW. This is when we will enter a period of SW Flow aloft and I think this is the time when the LRC had some interesting storm systems. I'll have to look back in more detail in the days ahead. I'm guessing the Week of the 13th (lucky #) will feature a mid month rally, or rather, a very active period. Using the BSR as guidance, there are potentially multiple storm systems we will be tracking during this week. The target period for when this SW Flow pattern starts is between the 12th-15th and the looks according to the BSR would translate towards a "cutter", may be hard cutter....followed by more storm systems leading up towards the Winter Solstice period that would track farther south. Could this be a "share the wealth" month for all??? Let's hope mother nature can contribute to all of us in the snow dept and have a fantastic holiday season! Let's discuss.... 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james1976 3688 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Gonna be cold and dry and prolly windy for my area next week on the backside of that big storm. Yuck. Oh well.....I'm glad someone in here looks to score bigly as we open met Winter. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR_Weather 4920 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Maybe Michigan will actually have a Winter this year! 1 Quote >1" Snowfalls for Fargo-Hector Int'l Airport in 2020-21: 10/20 (4.2"), 10/22 (2.7"), 12/23 (1.2"), 12/27 (1.8"), 12/29-30 (4.1"), Total Snowfall for 2020-2021 @ KFAR: 16.7" Coldest Low: -9*F (12/24) First flake of the season: 10/15 @ 21:27 CDT Link to post Share on other sites
james1976 3688 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 GFS much further east 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR_Weather 4920 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Lol, congrats Kentucky. 1 1 Quote >1" Snowfalls for Fargo-Hector Int'l Airport in 2020-21: 10/20 (4.2"), 10/22 (2.7"), 12/23 (1.2"), 12/27 (1.8"), 12/29-30 (4.1"), Total Snowfall for 2020-2021 @ KFAR: 16.7" Coldest Low: -9*F (12/24) First flake of the season: 10/15 @ 21:27 CDT Link to post Share on other sites
OmahaSnowFan 941 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 We'll see what actually happens this month. We've gone from this is going to be a 6 month long winter, to November turning into a nothing burger, to just last week saying everything doesn't show winter until maybe February, to suddenly this week December is going to be amaze-balls and I knew it all along!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GDR 639 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 I’m surprised the Dakotas aren’t buried yet in snow 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 12z Euro with an OH bomb...will post maps when fully loaded...huge hit for all of IN and W MI... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tony 739 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Euro keeping hopes alive for a major snowstorm...so the model mayhem continues for the next several days. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 12Z Euro. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Clinton said: 12Z Euro. This is insane! Historic open to December....??? December to Remember....#flipthescript2020 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 12z Euro...another look... 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niko 6813 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 This storm stalls for days in Oh.....wow! 1 2 Quote Snowfall as of today: Jan, 2021: 15.1" Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye 3845 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 It becomes a highly-amplified, blocked-up pattern, but for everyone too far west to get anything from the potentially-big eastern storm it's a total snoozer. 1 Quote season snowfall: 23.0" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" '16-17: 17.9" '15-16: 20.0" '14-15: 30.4" '13-14: 48.3" '12-13: 34.1" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, Niko said: This storm stalls for days in Oh.....wow! I love it...just hope the Euro is right and is accurately picking up on the blocking pattern. Man, what a beauty of a storm....loads of precip and just enough cold air. Systems this powerful can generate their "own brewed" cold as well. Those finer details can get ironed out later. I'm liking the trends at this range. Max wind gust top out around 55 mph along the lake to top it all off. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james1976 3688 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 When on earth will I ever see a map like that for mby??? Jealous! 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snowstorm83 1260 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 brb, moving to Lexington Kentucky 2 1 Quote Snowfall in Lincoln, NE: 2017-18: 21.4" 2018-19: 55.5" 2019-20: 17.6" 2020-21: 15.9" (so far) Average: 25.9" Link to post Share on other sites
Niko 6813 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 28 minutes ago, Tom said: I love it...just hope the Euro is right and is accurately picking up on the blocking pattern. Man, what a beauty of a storm....loads of precip and just enough cold air. Systems this powerful can generate their "own brewed" cold as well. Those finer details can get ironed out later. I'm liking the trends at this range. Max wind gust top out around 55 mph along the lake to top it all off. Its a beast! 2 Quote Snowfall as of today: Jan, 2021: 15.1" Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 This system look familiar to me. I expect this to trend colder aswell. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james1976 3688 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, Clinton said: This system look familiar to me. I expect this to trend colder aswell. Do the ensembles go out further than the op runs? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, james1976 said: Do the ensembles go out further than the op runs? Yes they go out to 360hrs. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niko 6813 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 Accu-Weather feels confident that this track plays...... 1 Quote Snowfall as of today: Jan, 2021: 15.1" Link to post Share on other sites
Stacsh 783 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 So far out. Euro has been bad lately, hopefully it gets some support soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CentralNebWeather 3772 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, james1976 said: When on earth will I ever see a map like that for mby??? Jealous! 100% agree. Not a flake or drop predicted for the foreseeable future around here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stacsh 783 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 It's funny how one run can get you pumped up, but then realize this isn't your storm in W. Michigan. Going to be APP/ East coast storm. Congrats Pennsylvania and the Upper NE. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Stacsh said: It's funny how one run can get you pumped up, but then realize this isn't your storm in W. Michigan. Going to be APP/ East coast storm. Congrats Pennsylvania and the Upper NE. Needs to get it's butt further north for sure! 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 hours ago, Tom said: I love it...just hope the Euro is right and is accurately picking up on the blocking pattern. Man, what a beauty of a storm....loads of precip and just enough cold air. Systems this powerful can generate their "own brewed" cold as well. Those finer details can get ironed out later. I'm liking the trends at this range. Max wind gust top out around 55 mph along the lake to top it all off. After the UK lost the phased look, was sure the Euro Would follow. I've seen the EC go huge 3 consecutive runs just to fold it's hand and admit to bluffing. I think it has gone 4 in a row now so I'm in uncharted territory tbh. It will be interesting to see if it can lead the way and shine-up it's tarnished crown. Ofc I'm cheering for that (and a little bump north). 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Stacsh said: It's funny how one run can get you pumped up, but then realize this isn't your storm in W. Michigan. Going to be APP/ East coast storm. Congrats Pennsylvania and the Upper NE. 2 hours ago, Stacsh said: So far out. Euro has been bad lately, hopefully it gets some support soon. Need the Euro strength but the GEM's track = KISMET Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
Niko 6813 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Not sure, but I think the GEFS inundates the "Lakes" w tremendous amount of snowfall. Quote Snowfall as of today: Jan, 2021: 15.1" Link to post Share on other sites
james1976 3688 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 GFS OP just looks like a mess. Not saying it can't happen but its super unorganized. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 GRR gives a very good write-up treatment of the situation as of earlier today. Much more impressive breakdown than typically seen. -- Possible wintry weather early next week -- Projecting the location and intensity of phased systems is a vexing issue, and next week is no exception. A trough is currently moving into the Pacific Northwest region and models are coming into agreement that the southern portion of the trough will detach and become an upper low cutoff over the Four Corners region. This upper low is forecast to migrate east over the Rockies before attempting to phase with a secondary, digging trough over the Midwest and Great Lakes region. Where this phasing occurs will determine if we get significant snowfall or not. Not surprisingly, current long range guidance continues to feature spread with where the upper level phasing induces low level cyclogenesis. A probabilistic approach based on ensemble data indicates more members are favoring cyclogenesis across the lower Ohio Valley or Appalachians Monday into Tuesday, as opposed to the Great Lakes. However, depending on how intense the upper level phasing is, a negatively tilted upper low could substantially pivot and deepen the surface low toward the north/northwest, potentially impacting Lower Michigan. That scenario is supported by some ECE members though most others prefer an Appalachian/East Coast track. The GEFS and CMC members favor the Appalachian track as well. Let`s suppose the scenario occurs where a deep/intense phasing of the systems near the Great Lakes induces a deep surface low across northern OH / southeast MI. Current and past runs of the ECMWF/GEM would support double digit snow totals (spread out over a couple days) across much of the region, which would make this the first significant winter storm to impact Michigan this season. However, assuming the phasing occurs across the Appalachians (ECE, GFS, GEFS, CMC), we see only minor snowfall, or perhaps none at all. Current odds are tilted in this direction but it is obviously something we are watching closely given the higher impacts that could potentially occur. 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
whatitdo 105 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 28 minutes ago, jaster220 said: GRR gives a very good write-up treatment of the situation as of earlier today. Much more impressive breakdown than typically seen. -- Possible wintry weather early next week -- Projecting the location and intensity of phased systems is a vexing issue, and next week is no exception. A trough is currently moving into the Pacific Northwest region and models are coming into agreement that the southern portion of the trough will detach and become an upper low cutoff over the Four Corners region. This upper low is forecast to migrate east over the Rockies before attempting to phase with a secondary, digging trough over the Midwest and Great Lakes region. Where this phasing occurs will determine if we get significant snowfall or not. Not surprisingly, current long range guidance continues to feature spread with where the upper level phasing induces low level cyclogenesis. A probabilistic approach based on ensemble data indicates more members are favoring cyclogenesis across the lower Ohio Valley or Appalachians Monday into Tuesday, as opposed to the Great Lakes. However, depending on how intense the upper level phasing is, a negatively tilted upper low could substantially pivot and deepen the surface low toward the north/northwest, potentially impacting Lower Michigan. That scenario is supported by some ECE members though most others prefer an Appalachian/East Coast track. The GEFS and CMC members favor the Appalachian track as well. Let`s suppose the scenario occurs where a deep/intense phasing of the systems near the Great Lakes induces a deep surface low across northern OH / southeast MI. Current and past runs of the ECMWF/GEM would support double digit snow totals (spread out over a couple days) across much of the region, which would make this the first significant winter storm to impact Michigan this season. However, assuming the phasing occurs across the Appalachians (ECE, GFS, GEFS, CMC), we see only minor snowfall, or perhaps none at all. Current odds are tilted in this direction but it is obviously something we are watching closely given the higher impacts that could potentially occur. Looks like they think it’s less likely to hit the midwest despite euro’s consistency in the track to do just that. What you thinking? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 18z EC with snow still falling over Mich at the end of the run. It's a little weaker than it has been but the track is still good for you guys. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Clinton said: 18z EC with snow still falling over Mich at the end of the run. It's a little weaker than it has been but the track is still good for you guys. Thx, btw, what's the "Ens [C]" exactly? And yeah, that's a lot weaker actually, but glad to see it not just vanish. Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, jaster220 said: Thx, btw, what's the "Ens [C]" exactly? And yeah, that's a lot weaker actually, but glad to see it not just vanish. The Euro Control. The CMC held serve aswell. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, Clinton said: The Euro Control. The CMC held serve aswell. Nice! (CMC and GEM are one and the same, no? confused by GRR's AFD saying the GEM was for the Lakes, but the CMC was more east) Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, jaster220 said: Nice! (CMC and GEM are one and the same, no? confused by GRR's AFD saying the GEM was for the Lakes, but the CMC was more east) I always thought so, that is confusing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, Clinton said: I always thought so, that is confusing. Here it is.. Quote Current and past runs of the ECMWF/GEM would support double digit snow totals (spread out over a couple days) across much of the region, which would make this the first significant winter storm to impact Michigan this season. However, assuming the phasing occurs across the Appalachians (ECE, GFS, GEFS, CMC), we see only minor snowfall, or perhaps none at all. 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 0z GEM comes up east of the Mitt and keeps moving instead of curling back and spinning around for 2 extra days. It even clips my county with a second storm 48 hrs after the first one has moved out of the lakes. 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 3 hours ago, whatitdo said: Looks like they think it’s less likely to hit the midwest despite euro’s consistency in the track to do just that. What you thinking? It's tough to say at this point if the Euro is legit. Phase-bombs are a serious rarity around the OHV/Lakes region so that would argue against it. Over the years a model or two will flash a run showing such in the fantasy long range, but then immediately drop it. Iirc, there was a better looking chance leading up to Christmas of 2014 but the cold air failed to get pulled south out of Canada so it ended up a dud. Dec 2014 was a warm month similar to what we've got going on right now fwiw. I referenced the Nov 1950 storm which gave this area about 7" but that was during an extremely cold autumn regime. There is Nov 2-3. 1966 which phased and delivered the goods (12" KBTL) and the only other time I've seen a mild regime go bomb cyclone for Michigan was 11/16/89 and that one had zero degree airmass just north of Superior to work with. Maps in order of events. 4 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 5 hours ago, Niko said: Not sure, but I think the GEFS inundates the "Lakes" w tremendous amount of snowfall. That'd be great, but I'm not seeing that from the GEFS. Where did you see that bud? Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 As a footnote to my historic early season bomb storm post above, I have to add this comment. Traditionally, when the models showed a storm from about 120 hrs out, there was a good chance it would happen and be worthy of starting a thread. Tonight's 0z GEM run has snow breaking out already at h96 so we're easily inside the range when models would've lost the storm completely if it were a "false flag". The only caveat ofc is we are talking about a potential phase-bomb which are the trickiest of tricky scenarios for the models to handle. Tonight's GEM run actually has 3 snow-makers in the next 10 days. This map includes just the first potential phaser: 2 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 0z Euro goes towards the GEM with both track/intensity & less sit-n-spin. Ofc everything is less stunning, including total snowfall but perhaps more realistic tbh. 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 I like this from APX Quote The forecast starts out relatively easy then becomes increasingly complex. First the easy part, zonal flow aloft Saturday night into Sunday yields precipitation free and mild conditions. A surface cold front then moves across northern Michigan Sunday afternoon and evening, perhaps igniting a rain or snow shower. All bets are off after that. The complex part hinges around whether the northern jet is able to merge with the southern jet early next week. I mean it likely will eventually but exactly how far to our east this occurs will determine impacts (if any). Models continue to advertise a deepening area of low pressure developing to our south and fairly far to our east but some models retrograde this system to the west all the way into the western Great Lakes as it becomes captured by an upper low associated with the northern jet stream. Looking at the 50 ensemble members from the 25/00z ECMWF, close to half retrograde the low and bring several inches of snow (along with blowing snow) to northern Michigan while the other half keep it well east with little to no impact on the area. It`s a tough call honestly on what the outcome will be and while retrogression is possible it is a fairly rare occurrence. The farther east solution seems to be more realistic imo (in my opinion) at this point. Time will tell on how this system unfolds which will be important since there are currently stark differences in the possible amount of wind and precipitation. Keep appraised of later forecasts for any changes in thinking. Will keep pops in the chance category for now and hope we can pin down the details as we get closer. Mild temperatures once again Sunday will be followed by forecast readings closer to normal during the first half of next week. 1 Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
jaster220 8046 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 0z GFS has decided maybe it wants back in the party after all. 980's SLP seems to be in vogue now vs. the crazy 970's being flashed before. Quote Winter 2020-21 Snow Total = 9.6" Largest Storm: 1.5" (12/29 & 1/3) Oct: 0.0 Nov: 1.5 Dec: 3.6 Jan: 4.5 Feb: 0.0 Mar: 0.0 Apr: 0.0 Annual avg for mby = 49.7" Avg for last 10 seasons = 58.4" (118% of normal) 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 It is looking more and more likely that there will be an impactful system to track..time for a storm thread today after 12z runs??? With that being said, the 00z Euro continues to show a powerful storm but the 00z Ukie now the only model not showing anything when it was the one which was most consistent a day or two ago. Chitown riding the edge with this one as well as WI peeps. 00z EPS holding steadfast and pointing towards an OHV major winter storm in the making...I think this storm may make up all the dud years this region has recently seen. Ya'll ready??? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 While sitting here and sippin' on my coffee, flipping through multiple windows open on my comp and analyzing a ton of data...I'm encouraged to see continued support that an interesting month lies ahead for the start of met Winter (esp the eastern/southern Sub). For weeks and months, the majority of the climate models were advertising a blow torch December for most of our Sub. The caveat?? They all seemed to miss the blocking signal near Greenland and now what is looking like a western NAMER ridge that will grow heading into Week 2 of the month. The latest JMA weeklies came in this morning and do favor the eastern CONUS trough for most of the 1st half of December, but then I see a more traditional signal for a La Nina pattern setting up with the N stream coming back into play for the second half of the month. Depending on the exact length of the LRC, I will say, I'm expecting to see more of a SW Flow develop by the middle and end of the month. Those of you out farther west and north will then begin to share in the wealth and see more chances of storminess. Week 2... Temp... Week 3-4...that Greenland Block is gonna rock this month... Temp/Precip patter...I think the model is too warm in the Plains/Upper MW...should trend colder and wetter...the wet signal near the GL's/N Rockies/Upper MW should expand South IMO... Notice the upward motion across the Indian Ocean and the sinking air across the central PAC. These are favorable colder MJO phases for Week 3-4 and that would lead us up towards the Winter Solstice/Christmas Holiday. Things are really looking promising! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinton 3628 Posted November 26, 2020 Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 @OKwx2k4 Oz Euro has a gift for ya. The EC went bonkers with this and produced a 12 inch storm in your back yard. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 Long ways ahead, but there may be a signal growing that a SSW event could be brewing right around the Week of the 13th or just prior across Siberia. This can lead to perturbing the PV in a similar fashion as it did back in '13-'14, supporting a more "reflective" look which can seed some real cold arctic air into North America. Interestingly, the models are starting to see a much colder look by the 2nd week of Dec. 00z GEFS 10mb strat forecast and 500mb pattern is telling me to watch for colder trends. 00z GEFS 500mb...way back in Sept/Oct, the pattern near Scandinavia was catching my eye and would be a crucial part of this Winter's pattern. It is indeed playing a big role for North America. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tom 15614 Posted November 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Clinton said: @OKwx2k4 Oz Euro has a gift for ya. The EC went bonkers with this and produced a 12 inch storm in your back yard. He may have several chances for winter storms this month from all indications. The blocking is really going to justify if the southern stream converge with the N stream later this month. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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