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Yeah, December 1998 was the first I remember tracking in any way via the MRF. It was a roller coaster ride. It picked it up about 10 days out, but then did a massive about face around 4-5 days out, then reversed course the next day. This place would have imploded.

 

Same here. The MRF nailed that one in the long range. I was overconfident in its abilities the following winter as a result, when it busted hard on the New Year's 2000 cold wave in the 6-10 day range. That one hurt too. The thinking was we'd tap into the impressive Alaskan cold wave that was developing in late December (-53 in Fairbanks), but it never happened. 

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You were one of the lucky ones. We didn't get it until October 1996.

I suppose it might have been available, but I don't recall checking weather online until maybe 2003. I still had plenty of time to have my heart ripped out though lol

 

In regards to sunny weather with snow on the ground. I don't remember much of that in PDX growing up. However January 2007 was good as I had maybe 2" from a snow squall going into the cold snap. Most of that survived until the bigger storm hit a week later with sunny weather during that period.

 

Here in Utah, we get a LOT of sunny weather following snow. I think I take it for granted a bit at this point, but it is always beautiful to see. 

Winter 23-24: Total Snow (3.2")    Total Ice (0.2")     Coldest Low: 1F     Coldest High: 5F

Snow Events: 0.1" Jan 5th, 0.2" Jan 9th, 1.6" Jan 14, 0.2" (ice) Jan 22, 1.3" Feb 12

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I remember on Saturday the 27th, Mark "warm bias" Nelsen was going for heavy snow with a high of 24 on Tuesday followed by two days with highs below 20. This was less than two days after all seven day forecasts were going with a fairly quick transition to a rainy pattern after the 27th.

 

It was a lot of fun living in the dark ages.

It was definitely fun having so much more uncertainty. It gave you hope that things could turn around much closer to a possible event, or of course bust. It hasn't all gone away though, Nov 2010 was pretty wild with the model swings on that one. Plenty of others too. 

Winter 23-24: Total Snow (3.2")    Total Ice (0.2")     Coldest Low: 1F     Coldest High: 5F

Snow Events: 0.1" Jan 5th, 0.2" Jan 9th, 1.6" Jan 14, 0.2" (ice) Jan 22, 1.3" Feb 12

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I remember following the MRF on the lead up to the big 1998 blast. I wasn't consistently checking the models run by run until probably about 2002 or 3. Definitely remember being completely obsessed by January 2004. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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The morning of February 7, 2014

 

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Going to get a Christmas Tree about a mile from my house on December 7, 2013. It was sunny and about 20 degrees at noon.

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Morning of Dec. 8, 2013

 

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Dec. 9, 2013 in Albany, OR when I took this pic it was 8:45am and my car thermometer said 11F.

 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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I suppose it might have been available, but I don't recall checking weather online until maybe 2003. I still had plenty of time to have my heart ripped out though lol

 

In regards to sunny weather with snow on the ground. I don't remember much of that in PDX growing up. However January 2007 was good as I had maybe 2" from a snow squall going into the cold snap. Most of that survived until the bigger storm hit a week later with sunny weather during that period.

 

Here in Utah, we get a LOT of sunny weather following snow. I think I take it for granted a bit at this point, but it is always beautiful to see. 

 

I keep going back to January 2007 as the event that sort of got away from us. It could have been much better.

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I keep going back to January 2007 as the event that sort of got away from us. It could have been much better.

Yeah the set up was just about perfect with the low sliding down the coast. If I remember correctly, areas along the coast got quite a bit of snow with that. 

 

In the metro area most people didn't get anything but a few of us on the east side did ok from a pop up snow shower. It actually came out of the NE and snowed real hard for about an hour and then the sun came out right after but the snow didn't melt.

 

 

Thinking about it, before that the last time I remember having snow on the ground with some sunshine was right after the new years day storm in 2004. Doesn't seem like there was much with that, but it was something. Am I remembering correctly?

Winter 23-24: Total Snow (3.2")    Total Ice (0.2")     Coldest Low: 1F     Coldest High: 5F

Snow Events: 0.1" Jan 5th, 0.2" Jan 9th, 1.6" Jan 14, 0.2" (ice) Jan 22, 1.3" Feb 12

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I keep going back to January 2007 as the event that sort of got away from us. It could have been much better.

 

I think that applies more to 2004-05, 2007-08, and 2010-11. All of those felt like they should have been far better for our region.

 

January 2007 was pretty good here, locally. I had around 7" of snow and 10 or so days with a bit on the ground. A number of

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I think that applies more to 2004-05, 2007-08, and 2010-11. All of those felt like they should have been far better for our region.

 

January 2007 was pretty good here, locally. I had around 7" of snow and 10 or so days with a bit on the ground. A number of

2004/2005 was the most painful winter I remember up there. Others were worse in terms of outcome (02-03 for example), but that one was bad from the 2-3 weeks of near greatness forecasted which resulted in nothing. 

 

I remember at the time I couldn't read models yet, so I relied on the news forecasts. Day after day of blizzard and arctic blast forecasts that kept disappearing as we got closer. It almost drove me out of liking weather it was so bad. 

Winter 23-24: Total Snow (3.2")    Total Ice (0.2")     Coldest Low: 1F     Coldest High: 5F

Snow Events: 0.1" Jan 5th, 0.2" Jan 9th, 1.6" Jan 14, 0.2" (ice) Jan 22, 1.3" Feb 12

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Yeah the set up was just about perfect with the low sliding down the coast. If I remember correctly, areas along the coast got quite a bit of snow with that. 

 

In the metro area most people didn't get anything but a few of us on the east side did ok from a pop up snow shower. It actually came out of the NE and snowed real hard for about an hour and then the sun came out right after but the snow didn't melt.

 

 

Thinking about it, before that the last time I remember having snow on the ground with some sunshine was right after the new years day storm in 2004. Doesn't seem like there was much with that, but it was something. Am I remembering correctly?

 

I was actually out of the country during that time. But looking at obs at the Oregon City COOP shows above freezing temps on both the 2nd and 3rd immediately after a 2" snowfall on the 1st. So I don't believe Oregon City would have seen much in the way of sunshine w/snowcover, if any. It might have been a different story up in Portland though.

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I think that applies more to 2004-05, 2007-08, and 2010-11. All of those felt like they should have been far better for our region.

 

January 2007 was pretty good here, locally. I had around 7" of snow and 10 or so days with a bit on the ground. A number of

 

There's something about January 2007 though, at least personally for me. It could have been so much more. Perfect timing in the middle of January, close call with significant accumulating snowfall at the front end, and then multiple days of cold, dry weather that would have been a perfect setup to maximize radiational cooling with any appreciable snowcover. And then a nice snowfall event on the transition out, which actually did happen. The north coast gave a hint of what that event could have been in the valley. Manzanita had 8" of snow on the 11th and Tillamook had a 33/15 day with sunshine and snowcover on the 13th. That airmass brought 3F to Lancaster CA (January record) and snow to Santa Monica. It was a nice event overall, but to walk away with 30/19 at PDX - essentially a modified event - was disappointing.

 

I never cared much for January 2005 or January 2008 because they were just model busts. It was never real. Same with January 2011. Besides 2010-11 more than made up for it with November and late February!

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There's something about January 2007 though, at least personally for me. It could have been so much more. Perfect timing in the middle of January, close call with significant accumulating snowfall at the front end, and then multiple days of cold, dry weather that would have been a perfect setup to maximize radiational cooling with any appreciable snowcover. And then a nice snowfall event on the transition out, which actually did happen. The north coast gave a hint of what that event could have been in the valley. Manzanita had 8" of snow on the 11th and Tillamook had a 33/15 day with sunshine and snowcover on the 13th. That airmass brought 3F to Lancaster CA (January record) and snow to Santa Monica. It was a nice event overall, but to walk away with 30/19 at PDX - essentially a modified event - was disappointing.

 

I never cared much for January 2005 or January 2008 because they were just model busts. It was never real. Same with January 2011. Besides 2010-11 more than made up for it with November and late February!

 

2007 to me was just an airmass that was more climatologically impressive elsewhere (the SW). Not disappointing at all because it never really displayed the propensity to be a higher tier of event for us, neither on the models nor with the upper level details falling through.

 

It was what it was, a solid midwinter modified arctic event. We've had way too few of those lately so it probably even stands out a little more in our memories than it should. By 20th century standards it was entirely run-of-the-mill for most in our region.

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2007 to me was just an airmass that was more climatologically impressive elsewhere (the SW). Not disappointing at all because it never really displayed the propensity to be a higher tier of event for us, neither on the models nor with the upper level details falling through.

 

It was what it was, a solid midwinter modified arctic event. We've had way too few of those lately so it probably even stands out a little more in our memories than it should. By 20th century standards it was entirely run-of-the-mill for most in our region.

I don't disagree with any of that. And yeah I agree that our perspective on 21st century cold waves is probably a little warped by the relative lack of arctic air compared to older climate norms. I doubt I would have the same feelings about a Jan 2007 type event if this was the 1950's.

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January 2007 was pretty impressive at my location it looks like. A couple inches of snow heading into the cold air and then a 5" snowfall during the middle of the period. 

 

https://climate.usurf.usu.edu/reports/e15daily.php?stn=USC00357809&year=2007&month=1&unit=EN&network=direct:ghcn&sidebar=0

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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At this elevation obviously 2008 as a month takes the cake. Slightly colder overall and incredibly snowy. January 2013 was slightly warmer than 2007. The best cold snap with snow cover was obviously January 2007 though.

 

2008:

https://climate.usurf.usu.edu/reports/e15daily.php?stn=USC00357809&year=2008&month=1&unit=EN&network=direct:ghcn&sidebar=0

 

2013:

https://climate.usurf.usu.edu/reports/e15daily.php?stn=USC00357809&year=2013&month=1&unit=EN&network=direct:ghcn&sidebar=0

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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47.5" in four days at that elevation. That's unbelievable. 

 

Marion Forks (2,400') had 95" in six days from Jan 28 - Feb 2. 

 

The park's weather station is at 1350', I am about 250' higher and it often does make a difference, especially during onshore flow snow events. Generally with cold onshore flow my location is 1-2F cooler. Judging by past experience in fairly similar setups it could have easily snowed 5-10" more those days here (My location gets a bit more precip too.). People I have talked to who were here then say it was the largest snow event up here in the past 20-30 years. They said snow events like January 2012 are not common, but definitely not without precedent. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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The park's weather station is at 1350', I am about 250' higher and it often does make a difference, especially during onshore flow snow events. Generally with cold onshore flow my location is 1-2F cooler. Judging by past experience in fairly similar setups it could have easily snowed 5-10" more those days here (My location gets a bit more precip too.). People I have talked to who were here then say it was the largest snow event up here in the past 20-30 years. They said snow events like January 2012 are not common, but definitely not without precedent. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if your location saw 5 feet in that stretch. Too bad you weren't there to take pictures!

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January 2012. As I have noted before the best snow setup for me is cold on-shore flow. January 2002, Jan 08, Dec 17-19, 08', Jan 2012, March 2012 type setups. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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I wouldn't be surprised if your location saw 5 feet in that stretch. Too bad you weren't there to take pictures!

 

It would have been amazing. There is not good data from the park for snowfall during 95-96, but a few of my friends who grew up in this area point to January 1996 as having about 2-3' of snow on the ground going into that arctic outbreak. One friend who grew up around 2000' a little higher up on Grade Road, says the snow knocked the power out for about a week, which is believable given I had an extended power outage with the snow in 2012. 

 

I also remember my family bringing me up to Silver Falls in late February 1996 and there was about 12-18" of snow on the ground (Literally nothing below 1000'.). 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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January 2012. As I have noted before the best snow setup for me is cold on-shore flow. January 2002, Jan 08, Dec 17-19, 08', Jan 2012, March 2012 type setups. 

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The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. 

 

That's awesome. Being a teenager with my first car, I drove many miles around those hills during the mostly lackluster 1997-99 winters, and even then remember a few times where in town would have nothing, 1000' would have a few inches, and 1400' would have over a foot. But nothing like that, obviously.

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That's awesome. Being a teenager with my first car, I drove many miles around those hills during the mostly lackluster 1997-99 winters, and even then remember a few times where in town would have nothing, 1000' would have a few inches, and 1400' would have over a foot. But nothing like that, obviously.

 

Those were some lame winters. We moved here in 89' so the first 5-6 winters were pretty decent overall...Then reality set it. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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The Silverton city limits are 9 miles from my house, downtown Silverton is 10-11 miles from my place. Front Ranger will appreciate this, but in January 2012 there was no sticking snow in downtown Silverton, a dusting at the city limits heading up Silver Falls Hwy (Southside Market area), about 2" in the curves above the Reservoir, about 6" by the time you got to Seminole Road (900'), and about a 8-12" at Hadley's corner (5 miles out of town and 1200'). Then 4 miles later what you see above. 

 

 

North Bend is 3.8 miles away from my house.   And 600 feet lower.     

 

The difference can be insane.    I have seen times when there is nothing but green grass in town and well over 2 feet of snow here.  

 

You probably remember the video I did driving up our hill a few years ago... transformation from nothing to huge snow banks in a matter of one minute of drive time.  

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Nov 2006 is an event that gets underrated on here, due to it mainly impacting northern areas. Some really impressive snowfall and temp numbers north of Seattle.

Would be in my top 5 pretty easily. Likely a toss up with January 2005 for 3rd. Behind December 2008 and 1996.

 

There was a 4 year stretch around there that saw some pretty impressive snow storms here. January 2005, November 2006, December 2007, December 2008 all had 20"+ events. It usually serves us well when the Arctic boundaries have a hard time clearing US customs.

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Just in how much it's discussed, considering how impressive an event it was. Pretty simple - and we know why.

 

It had a sharp, north-south gradient which has been discussed at length.  November has a tendency to produce events of that type.  

 

On a weather-enthusiast forum, the most talked about events are going to be those that have a more widespread impact.  I think this is all that is bothering you.  

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Do you think February 2014 is "underrated" as well?

 

Good point. As most posters on this forum are from W. Washington, or at least half, that one and December 2013 do get a bit of short thrift. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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In a lot of ways I view November 2006 and January 2012 in a similar vein. Both were big snow producers at my location, but beyond frustrating for those on the valley floor in NW Oregon. As a consolation I was living in Oklahoma in November 2006 and that storm produced an epic 14" blizzard in good old Bartlesville, Oklahoma on 11/30/06. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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