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Do you think February 2014 is "underrated" as well?

 

 

Good point. As most posters on this forum are from W. Washington, or at least half, that one and December 2013 do get a bit of short thrift. 

 

I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well.

 

Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise.

 

Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days.

 

- high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook

- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)

- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley

- high of 24 at Everett

- high of 27 at SEA

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I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well.

 

Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise.

 

Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days.

 

- high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook

- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)

- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley

- high of 24 at Everett

- high of 27 at SEA

I think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough.

 

If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices.

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I think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough.

 

If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices.

 

QFT.

 

Very underrated events in NW Interior and BC.

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I've seen both Feb 2014 and Dec 2013 referenced quite a bit more, actually. Of course, they occurred more recently as well.

 

Dec 2013 was obviously very impressive for temps for parts or OR, and that's been discussed recently. Feb 2014 was a very nice snow event, with a fairly unusual (for that late in the season) duration of cold weather, but nothing too impressive temps-wise.

 

Nov 2006 was not only a major snow event for northern WA/southern BC, it also featured some top-tier cold days.

 

- high of 16 on 11/28 at Clearbrook

- high of 17 on 11/28 at BLI (only colder high in November was 15 in 1985)

- high of 23 at Sedro Wooley

- high of 24 at Everett

- high of 27 at SEA

 

This is obviously subjective, but to me 23/19 at PDX on 2/6/14 is more impressive than any of those numbers you listed.

 

You left off the 19/9 at Arlington in November 2006. I believe this was the only case of single digits in the western lowlands (at least among official stations) between December 1998 and December 2008. That stat is more of an indictment against the 1998-2008 stretch, but it was still a very impressive November event.

 

Regarding December 2013 - that was a legitimate top-tier cold wave for Oregon. Neither November 2006 nor February 2014 belong in the same sentence! A peer group for December 2013 would include events like December 1972, December 1990, etc. 

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This is obviously subjective, but to me 23/19 at PDX on 2/6/14 is more impressive than any of those numbers you listed.

 

You left off the 19/9 at Arlington in November 2006. I believe this was the only case of single digits in the western lowlands (at least among official stations) between December 1998 and December 2008. That stat is more of an indictment against the 1998-2008 stretch, but it was still a very impressive November event.

 

Regarding December 2013 - that was a legitimate top-tier cold wave for Oregon. Neither November 2006 nor February 2014 belong in the same sentence! A peer group for December 2013 would include events like December 1972, December 1990, etc. 

 

Duh. Obviously I wasn't saying Nov 2006 or Feb 2014 compare.

 

All these events again go to show that while January has been horrid by historical standards, November, December, and to a lesser extent February have held their own compared to most the 20th century. In fact, Nov/Dec have had more extreme cold events the past 30-40 years than the previous 40+ years.

 

This fact sometimes gets lost in all of the January lamentations.

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Dewey would argue they're not "underrated", they just just didn't affect enough people personally.

 

My nostrils were on FIRE and I was tearing in that Dec 2013 wave!! You kidding... you'd have to be inside 24/7 like a hermit to not be effected by that. It was difficult even just taking the garbage out or scraping the windshields ;)

 

I was -20 in K-Falls. A whopping 10 whole days below freezing - including highs.

 

That was Montana level arctic air. Except there they probably get it normally like it's nothing.

 

Edit: Oh, and... that nostalgia of having to put on a dozen layers of clothing just to do anything outside, and taking all of it off after. :P

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Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
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Can we just delete the last 30+ posts or however many that didn't include pictures?

 

Anyway, here's one from Anchorage in December 2009 from my room. First, the trees were covered in hoarfrost, then we had a half inch of freezing rain, and then finally a schit-ton of snow.  :wub:

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Gotta keep the winter spirit up until the first wintry weather arrives...eh?

 

 

The first pic is of Denali from central Anchorage in October 2009. It looks huge from so far away. 

 

The second image is from the Cook Inlet south of Anchorage in October 2009. 

 

I have to visit Alaska again soon.  :wub:

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Gotta keep the winter spirit up until the first wintry weather arrives...eh?

 

 

The first pic is of Denali from central Anchorage in October 2009. It looks huge from so far away. 

 

The second image is from the Cook Inlet south of Anchorage in October 2009. 

 

I have to visit Alaska again soon.  :wub:

 

Great pics!

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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I think 2006 gets mentioned (by you and others) a lot whenever the conversation of early season cold waves comes up. Probably an annual discussion. Otherwise it's not going to be thrown into the elite, cool-kid cold wave group because it wasn't quite widespread enough.

 

If you want to talk about NW Wa/B.C. events that don't feel the forum love, then December 1980 and late December 1984 would be better choices.

 

I liked Nov 2010 MUCH more.  Much colder, much snowier (at least here) and longer lasting.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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Anyone else craving winter? I just went back and re-watched some of the blizzard videos on my phone, and I just realized the extent to which I take these storms for granted. I can't believe it's been 9 months already.

 

This was during the early afternoon:

 

 

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/9BA02B21-A44A-4554-AB09-BAD16C80BBD8_zpshdwbcpcx.jpg

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What were snow totals for NW Interior and SW BC in December 1980 and 1984?

 

I use to go on the NCDC site all the time many years ago but if I remember correctly they stopped allowing the public to view the graphs and data. Does that site still exist?

 

You can use NCDC's mapping feature to access monthly snowfall totals back to 1900. I normally use the rectangle search grid to narrow down the area I want to look at. You can see it if you click the box with the tool on it. 

 

https://gis.ncdc.noaa.gov/maps/ncei/summaries/monthly

 

Looking at the data, some of the biggest lowland snowfalls from December 1980 are:

 

25.4" at Port Renfrew

19.5" at Chilliwack

18.5" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place

17.9" at Nanaimo

17.0" at Abbotsford

16.0" at Buckley

15.5" at BLI

13.6" at YVR

13.0" at Forks

12.7" at Blaine

 

For December 1984:

 

37.1" at Chilliwack Westview

29.6" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place

25.6" at Victoria Prospect Lake

24.8" at Chilliwack City

19.6" at Victoria Int'l

18.4" at Nanaimo

15.8" at BLI

14.0" at Blaine

13.0" at Quilcene

10.0" at Coupeville

 

And December 1996:

 

66.9" at Chilliwack

60.4" at Victoria Francis Park

48.8" at Victoria Int'l

45.8" at Surrey Kwantlen Park

43.7" at Duncan

37.5" at Nanaimo

31.8" at YVR

30.7" at Abbotsford

30.0" at Blaine

30.0" at Olga

25.0" at Sequim

 

Its too bad data for BLI is missing from the big snowstorm that month. They would definitely be on this list! 

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You can use NCDC's mapping feature to access monthly snowfall totals back to 1900. I normally use the rectangle search grid to narrow down the area I want to look at. You can see it if you click the box with the tool on it. 

 

https://gis.ncdc.noaa.gov/maps/ncei/summaries/monthly

 

Looking at the data, some of the biggest lowland snowfalls from December 1980 are:

 

25.4" at Port Renfrew

19.5" at Chilliwack

18.5" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place

17.9" at Nanaimo

17.0" at Abbotsford

16.0" at Buckley

15.5" at BLI

13.6" at YVR

13.0" at Forks

12.7" at Blaine

 

For December 1984:

 

37.1" at Chilliwack Westview

29.6" at West Vancouver Ballantree Place

25.6" at Victoria Prospect Lake

24.8" at Chilliwack City

19.6" at Victoria Int'l

18.4" at Nanaimo

15.8" at BLI

14.0" at Blaine

13.0" at Quilcene

10.0" at Coupeville

 

And December 1996:

 

66.9" at Chilliwack

60.4" at Victoria Francis Park

48.8" at Victoria Int'l

45.8" at Surrey Kwantlen Park

43.7" at Duncan

37.5" at Nanaimo

31.8" at YVR

30.7" at Abbotsford

30.0" at Blaine

30.0" at Olga

25.0" at Sequim

 

Its too bad data for BLI is missing from the big snowstorm that month. They would definitely be on this list! 

 

Thank you for all the data! It’s incredible that Chilliwack did so well. I’m guessing they had insane snowfall totals on the 30th of December after most areas had warmed up. Do you have daily snowfall totals for those locations you posted for?

 

Lower BC has so many locations that record snowfall/temperature data. It’s pretty sad that it’s hard to find a single location in Whatcom County with snowfall data. So many missing months in the last 20 years.

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Thank you for all the data! It’s incredible that Chilliwack did so well. I’m guessing they had insane snowfall totals on the 30th of December after most areas had warmed up. Do you have daily snowfall totals for those locations you posted for?

 

Lower BC has so many locations that record snowfall/temperature data. It’s pretty sad that it’s hard to find a single location in Whatcom County with snowfall data. So many missing months in the last 20 years.

 

No, unfortunately the NCDC removed the daily search feature for 20th century data. You used to be able to search daily data back to 1900 as well (using the same rectangle/map method), but now that feature only allows you to go back to 2006. This change just happened within the last couple years. You can still manually look up daily data for those stations for any given month, either through the NCDC or the Utah Climate Center. 

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No, unfortunately the NCDC removed the daily search feature for 20th century data. You used to be able to search daily data back to 1900 as well (using the same rectangle/map method), but now that feature only allows you to go back to 2006. This change just happened within the last couple years. You can still manually look up daily data for those stations for any given month, either through the NCDC or the Utah Climate Center. 

 

You can also find daily data for the Canadian stations through Environment Canada's search feature.

 

Here is Victoria's December 1996 data

 

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=1953-01-01%7C2013-07-11&dlyRange=1940-07-01%7C2013-07-10&mlyRange=1940-01-01%7C2013-07-01&StationID=118&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=21&searchMethod=contains&txtStationName=victoria&timeframe=2&Year=1996&Month=12&Day=11

 

And Chilliwack

 

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=%7C&dlyRange=1879-04-01%7C2014-08-31&mlyRange=1879-01-01%7C2007-02-01&StationID=735&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=0&searchMethod=contains&Month=12&Day=20&txtStationName=chilliwack&timeframe=2&Year=1996

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You can also find daily data for the Canadian stations through Environment Canada's search feature.

 

Here is Victoria's December 1996 data

 

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=1953-01-01%7C2013-07-11&dlyRange=1940-07-01%7C2013-07-10&mlyRange=1940-01-01%7C2013-07-01&StationID=118&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=21&searchMethod=contains&txtStationName=victoria&timeframe=2&Year=1996&Month=12&Day=11

 

And Chilliwack

 

http://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_data/daily_data_e.html?hlyRange=%7C&dlyRange=1879-04-01%7C2014-08-31&mlyRange=1879-01-01%7C2007-02-01&StationID=735&Prov=BC&urlExtension=_e.html&searchType=stnName&optLimit=yearRange&StartYear=1840&EndYear=2016&selRowPerPage=25&Line=0&searchMethod=contains&Month=12&Day=20&txtStationName=chilliwack&timeframe=2&Year=1996

 

The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case.

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The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case.

It actually would make sense that they only measured 32cm.. the snow that fell probably all got blown away!

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The Chilliwack snowfall data is very suspect. They recorded 102 cm over four days, but only measured 36 cm on the ground at the end of it. The temperature never rose above freezing during that period. Compaction and sublimation can only account for so much loss. Either one or both of those measurements is way off. The problem inherent with measuring snow in an outflow area (particularly one that is very exposed), is that the winds are often so strong that any measurement is little more than an educated guess. You're supposed to measure in several places (including drifts) then average the measurement. It's pretty obvious that protocol was not followed in this case.

 

36cm certainly seems like way too low of a peak depth for that event, the vast majority of the lower mainland had well over 50cm on the ground by the afternoon of December 29. Abbotsford had 69cm on the ground that day and I doubt Chilliwack's depth would have been much less, although the winds were likely a bit stronger there.

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It actually would make sense that they only measured 32cm.. the snow that fell probably all got blown away!

It all got blown clear across to Vancouver Island.  I know I measured a peak depth of 97cm during that event.  The official number for Shawnigan Lake was 70cm.  I know I made the mistake of measuring on the front Lawn, so my depth was probably inflated a little, but that 70cm number seemed pretty low.  I believe they only measure snow depth once per day, so it's possible the depth was much higher between measurements.

 

It was pretty unbelievable watching the road crews clear the snow with a steel track dozer around here.  A little tough on the asphalt though. 

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Anyone else craving winter? I just went back and re-watched some of the blizzard videos on my phone, and I just realized the extent to which I take these storms for granted. I can't believe it's been 9 months already.

 

This was during the early afternoon:

 

 

http://i724.photobucket.com/albums/ww243/phillywillie/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-01/9BA02B21-A44A-4554-AB09-BAD16C80BBD8_zpshdwbcpcx.jpg

DUDE! My neighbor literally just showed me picture of my house from when the previous owners lived here....4 and a half FEET of snow on the ground on January 15th 2013....... INSANE amount of snow pack! They told me that it was a good winter that year. Sheesh I thought last winter for us (1st winter here) was decent......22" on the ground at the deepest point. 

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DUDE! My neighbor literally just showed me picture of my house from when the previous owners lived here....4 and a half FEET of snow on the ground on January 15th 2013....... INSANE amount of snow pack! They told me that it was a good winter that year. Sheesh I thought last winter for us (1st winter here) was decent......22" on the ground at the deepest point.

Wow, nice! Didn't have quite that much here last winter. Depth was between 30-40" after this one, and it melted fast.

 

The 2009/10 winter is our benchmark, though. Between January 29th and February 10th, four separate snowstorms delivered a whopping 5-7 feet across the area, with two of the storms also producing frequent lightning. The last storm on 2/10 delivered convective snow banding and hurricane force winds in some areas. Most amazing storm of my life..will never forget it. In hindsight I really took that winter for granted I think.

 

I still have some pics if you're interested. There were drifts literally covering people's garages and houses. The one-story house on Helmsdale road was literally buried on one side. :lol:

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Wow, nice! Didn't have quite that much here last winter. Depth was between 30-40" after this one, and it melted fast.

 

The 2009/10 winter is our benchmark, though. Between January 29th and February 10th, four separate snowstorms delivered a whopping 5-7 feet across the area, with two of the storms also producing frequent lightning. The last storm on 2/10 delivered convective snow banding and hurricane force winds in some areas. Most amazing storm of my life..will never forget it. In hindsight I really took that winter for granted I think.

 

I still have some pics if you're interested. There were drifts literally covering people's garages and houses. The one-story house on Helmsdale road was literally buried on one side. :lol:

 

 

YES Id like to see some private pics of a good snow storm. I have watched about every youtube video of eastern snow storms there is a dozen times

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Colorado snowpack is way below normal right now, but yesterday we climbed Quandary Peak at 14,270 feet elevation during a blizzard:

 

Here is my wife and 12 year old daughter not that far from the summit:

 

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Here is my wife still smiling with frozen hair after the ascent: 

 

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Daylight savings time is messin with my mind! Thought 06z was running. Oh well. Gonna dream and hope the next ferry ride on looks like this! December 6th 2012. Headed to Tenakee Springs to go deer hunting.

 

http://i.imgur.com/0wtIUso.jpg

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Might as well share this one as well. I have yet to see this much snow (sadly) in Tenakee, yet. It happens. Just hasn't happened in the last couple years I've been out there. We got the whole town all riled up and got all of the youngins in a big cross-town snowball fight. We also invented the tripleski. What is a tripleski you ask? 

 

 

 

 

 

Look no further....

 

 

 

http://i.imgur.com/04Jusnz.jpg

 

Here's to hoping...

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Colorado snowpack is way below normal right now, but yesterday we climbed Quandary Peak at 14,270 feet elevation during a blizzard:

 

Here is my wife and 12 year old daughter not that far from the summit:

 

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Here is my wife still smiling with frozen hair after the ascent: 

 

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Looks like a fun climb!

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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Here's a video of the Arctic front that blew through here on the evening of Valentines Day, 2015. Winds exceeded hurricane force in some areas, and 1-4" of snow fell within one hour, followed by a temperature drop of over 40F through the following 7hrs.

 

Had to stop filming when snow started blasting into the house.

 

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Arrival of a pre-frontal snow squall last winter. Came in on 40mph winds, lasted only about 10 minutes.

 

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Post-frontal snow squall last winter. Dropped a quick 1/2" within 10 minutes. Winds were 30-40mph during the squall, but increased to 40-55mph after the squall.

 

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An extremely powerful cold front and microburst struck here last winter, on February 24th. A few areas experienced gusts at/above 80-100mph within "burst swaths".

 

I ran into the basement upon hearing the huge roar in the distance, so I didn't catch the worst of it. Wimp. :P

 

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Old photos, but here are some that were taken not far from my house:

 

http://images.summitpost.org/original/84823.JPG

 

http://images.summitpost.org/original/84822.JPG

 

http://images.summitpost.org/original/84826.JPG

 

http://images.summitpost.org/original/84821.JPG

 

This one may not look impressive, but it still might be a little impressive since it was taken on June 4 2005:

 

http://images.summitpost.org/original/112940.JPG

 

We do get some serious blizzards at times and sometimes the weather is slightly chilly, but it still beats living in the city.  It hasn't gotten that cold in recent years (this area hasn't reached the -50's since 1989), but here is one screen shot I took in 2011, when we had a few fairly cold days:

 

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That was downtown though.  It was -48 at my house.   It's still quite a bit warmer than the -61 that was recorded on 2/1/1985 in Maybell, the next town just to the west of us.  

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Few pics I took last Tuesday from the Skykomish area of the fresh snowfall.

 

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There was about 9" or so of snow at the top of this peak above the Beckler River Valley.

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Mercer Island, 350 ft

2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21

2020-2021: 15.6"

2019-2020: ~10"

2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5"

2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0"

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Yesterday (12-3-16) Traveling down Orin-Rice road between Colville, wa & Rice, wa. Road goes right through the Huckleberry Range foothills. This picture was on an 8 mile stretch of that highway that received about 5" of snow the night before last. Situated approx ~5K feet elev.

 

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