Front Ranger Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The Euro has been pretty consistent with the progression of the pattern over the past 4-5 runs. Looks very promising, an -EPO period at least looks likely. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The Euro has been pretty consistent with the progression of the pattern over the past 4-5 runs. Looks very promising, an -EPO period at least looks likely. The PNA looks minus on this latest run also. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Mode Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Some credit to Jim today...made it down to 31 at my place. I was worried the fog was going to keep it warmer. Interesting today, going from very dense fog, to sunny and east winds in about 15 minutes. Peak gust of 25 mph. 51 mild degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Some credit to Jim today...made it down to 31 at my place. I was worried the fog was going to keep it warmer. Interesting today, going from very dense fog, to sunny and east winds in about 15 minutes. Peak gust of 25 mph. 51 mild degrees. Same exact weather here today. Made it down to 29 and now it's 52. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Mode Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 If it's not going to snow in the mountains, it might as well be sunny!Same exact weather here today. Made it down to 29 and now it's 52. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 12z Euro Ensemble looks cold for you all in the 10-15 day range. Big ridge running up through Alaska with cold dumping into the western and central U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 12z Euro Ensemble looks cold for you all in the 10-15 day range. Big ridge running up through Alaska with cold dumping into the western and central U.S. Thanks for letting us know! Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Very nice. I heard that it has been a good year for the tree farms. The past 5-6 years have been pretty bleak up here. A common scene after Christmas the last few years has been the tree farms pulling the mature trees they were unable to sell and burning them (Freshly pulled Christmas trees in the middle of winter actually don't burn, they just kind of smolder for weeks on end.). This year it doesn't look like that will be happening at least to that scope as the farmers have been telling me that business is brisk. Part of that is also that the glut of trees which were planted in the mid 2000s has now waned. That is what I have heard as well, though talking to the owner of the tree farm that we go to, it has been very slow for his place this year. He is up in Silvana Heights on an amazing 5 acres overlooking the valley of Stanwood and the Stillaguamish river below. Sounds like he might be selling in a few years, it's been in his family since the 50's. I have been going there with my family since I was my daughters age. Got me thinking...tree farm side business!! Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primetime Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Thanks for letting us know! No problem. I'd personally like to see it dump east of the Rockies given my location, but the Euro Ensemble is wanting to focus the cold moreso in the western and central states. GFS Ensemble has it farther east...but hard to go against the Euro Ens in a model war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DareDuck Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Feels like a typical winter day here. 40 and stuck under an inversion. Days like today I've just come to expect it to be cloudy all day. Looks like a nice day out in Bend though, can't wait to move there in the next month or two. Quote Bend, ORElevation: 3550' Snow History:Nov: 1"Dec: .5"Jan: 1.9"Feb: 12.7"Mar: 1.0"Total: 17.1" 2016/2017: 70"2015/2016: 34"Average: ~25" 2017/2018 Winter TempsLowest Min: 1F on 2/23Lowest Max: 23F on 12/24, 2/22Lows <32: 87Highs <32: 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 How many arctic intrusions have we ever had in one season? Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Feels like a typical winter day here. 40 and stuck under an inversion. Days like today I've just come to expect it to be cloudy all day. Looks like a nice day out in Bend though, can't wait to move there in the next month or two. Most times with inversions I stay above the muck here, except for the really deep ones like December 2011 and January 2013. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 How many arctic intrusions have we ever had in one season? Some winters, like 1948-49, have had so many continental airmasses that they kind of just blur together and stretch for most of the winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 12z Euro Ensemble looks cold for you all in the 10-15 day range. Big ridge running up through Alaska with cold dumping into the western and central U.S.Here it is at hour 360. Definitely a decently strong blocking signal. The GEM ensemble is even a bit more amplified but centered a little further East. Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Some winters, like 1948-49, have had so many continental airmasses that they kind of just blur together and stretch for most of the winter. Yeah, 1948-49 is probably the king since widespread records began for most Arctic or semi-Arctic intrusions in the PNW. There were probably 7-8 separate Arctic/continental air masses that winter. But that was very unusual, of course. Other winters with at least 3 separate Arctic/continental intrusions: 1949-50, 1951-52, 1955-56, 1961-62, 1968-69, 1970-71, 1978-79, 1984-85, 1990-91, 1992-93, 2008-09, and 2010-11. It's very rare to get more than 3, though, probably only 3-4 winters in the airport era have seen that. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 D+11 06Z GFS ANALOG COMPOSITE early this morning. I noticed the 2nd best correlation date was 12/22/1979. We all know then what happened in early January 1980. Since this is centered on 12/14/2014, we are looking at the Dec. 30 to Jan 1 time frame for snow with arctic air coming before that time. There are hints of a SSW event over Siberia which would result in colder air coming starting 2 to 3 weeks from now. http://oi60.tinypic.com/14js461.jpgI'm glad we are starting to see an Arctic blast in the models. Things look on track for Arctic air to invade the PNW the last week of December. ❄❄❄❄❄ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Here it is at hour 360. Definitely a decently strong blocking signal. The GEM ensemble is even a bit more amplified but centered a little further East. Fabulous placement there. The chances are growing we get hit this month. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I just noticed it appears it's going to be fairly chilly for much of this week due to fairly low thicknesses and very weak offshore surface pressure gradients. Could get rather nippy. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 18z digs the cold air JUST east. The trough really digs deep into the SW. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The kind of situation the 18z shows would undoubtedly be very chilly at the surface for the PNW and down right cold east of the Cascades. Very much like what happened in late December 2010/January 2011. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 No doubt the 18z GFS is the closest yet to really freezing us. Dangerously close to a major blast. As it is 850s drop to about -7 for SEA. It has certainly been trending westward over the past few runs. This run in combo with the 12z ECMWF ensemble looks very hopeful to me. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 No doubt the 18z GFS is the closest yet to really freezing us. Dangerously close to a major blast. As it is 850s drop to about -7 for SEA. It has certainly been trending westward over the past few runs. This run in combo with the 12z ECMWF ensemble looks very hopeful I would still be surprised to see a major blast before January 5th. For the past few days I have been saying I think something along the lines of what this run shows is most likely. I think retrogression to the sweet spot will occur later. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IbrChris Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I love it when the pros come here with this kind of analysis. My only personal disagreement is with the last paragraph. I personally think it's more likely that the models are going to lock into some sort of arctic blast around Christmas--most likely around the 27th or 28th timeframe. As a sidenote, I think as upgrades are made to the GFS, we are going to find more instances of it making the early prognosis over the currently favored Euro--which is going to drive everyone crazy since they won't know which model to trust as time goes on. Ask and ye shall receive...last 24 hours of runs have really gravitated toward a favorable longwave pattern in the N Pacific to get us the "goods" ie arctic air...looks like Dec 25-Jan 5 timeframe has the best shot. Support among Euro ensemble members has increased from 60% (00z) to 80% of members (12z Dec 14). About a quarter of members suggest a possible major arctic blast in the PNW. The pattern in the 11-15 is close to the classic PNW arctic blast look: Ridge centered around 160 W (varying amplitude) and trough digging south across far western Canada. In fact there is more support for a western US arctic blast versus a central/eastern blast in the longer range...that said the ridging over the SE US is anemic at best with most ensemble solutions. This is problematic as a lack of SE/E US ridging generally points to a more transitory event for the western US with the PV lobe tending to vacate eastward rather quickly (into the central US). There is some reason to believe downstream development may put a stronger/more amplified ridge across the SE/E US versus what ensembles suggest as we get closer. 1 Quote The Pacific Northwest: Where storms go to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Salem trying to end their streak of 9 straight 50+ days. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I would still be surprised to see a major blast before January 5th. For the past few days I have been saying I think something along the lines of what this run shows is most likely. I think retrogression to the sweet spot will occur later. My god... this has to be 5th year in row or more that we talk about an arctic blast in early January. Never looks good enough for Christmas but then we always say its coming right around New Years or shortly after. Never seems to work out though. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuffradio Posted December 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My god... this has to be 5th year in row or more that we talk about an arctic blast in early January. Never looks good enough for Christmas but then we always say its coming right around New Years or shortly after. Never seems to work out though.Seemed to work in Jan 2012. I was in a Math upgrade class the first week of Jan 2012. I told one of the students next to me classes will be cancelled the following week due to snow and arctic air. He laughed at me and said that won't happen. Guess what happened? Unfortunately, he didn't return to class for me to say told you so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GHweatherChris Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My god... this has to be 5th year in row or more that we talk about an arctic blast in early January. Never looks good enough for Christmas but then we always say its coming right around New Years or shortly after. Never seems to work out though.My god.... who cares. You allowing what is said on here to affect you emotionally is weirder than what is talked about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Seemed to work in Jan 2012. I was in a Math upgrade class the first week of Jan 2012. I told one of the students next to me classes will be cancelled the following week due to snow and arctic air. He laughed at me and said that won't happen. Guess what happened? Unfortunately, he didn't return to class for me to say told you so. That was sort of arctic... never came all the way south and was not right around New Years. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My god.... who cares. You allowing what is said on here to affect you emotionally is weirder than what is talked about. Not affecting me at all... just was thinking how the talk in the middle of December is about a blast around New Years. Its an annual tradition for us. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My god... this has to be 5th year in row or more that we talk about an arctic blast in early January. Never looks good enough for Christmas but then we always say its coming right around New Years or shortly after. Never seems to work out though.Weenie romp! We never sniffed at a chance last year. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I'm sticking with my early/mid January window..I don't the breaker train will do enough damage to freeze the west until after New Years. A glancing blow may be possible, though. Glad to see that our long-range ideas on pattern progression are working out, though. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Boom..let's see if we can get a full bifurcation in JAN: http://catchmypicture.com/f/BTr4C2/1280.jpg 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Not affecting me at all... just was thinking how the talk in the middle of December is about a blast around New Years. Its an annual tradition for us. Obviously it drives you insane to see people talking about cold troughing. And it's just not healthy. Normal people don't care whether there's discussion about cold troughing versus possibly just average temperatures. Like 5 degrees is really going to matter that much to everyday folk! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 That was sort of arctic... never came all the way south and was not right around New Years. It was Arctic air for Seattle...just a pretty weak push. On the 15th, winds turned N/NE in the afternoon and temps dropped below freezing: http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KSEA/2012/1/15/DailyHistory.html Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My god... this has to be 5th year in row or more that we talk about an arctic blast in early January. Never looks good enough for Christmas but then we always say its coming right around New Years or shortly after. Never seems to work out though. Jan 2013 was the one winter I was really bullish on an early January Arctic event for the West. It worked out, but ended up fairly weak for the PNW. Another time in recent years where it definitely got cold enough for you guys to get snow, but just didn't come together. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Obviously it drives you insane to see people talking about cold troughing. And it's just not healthy. Normal people don't care whether there's discussion about cold troughing versus possibly just average temperatures. Like 5 degrees is really going to matter that much to everyday folk! LOL! Not at all... I would pay $1,000 right now to have genuine snow and cold for the week between Christmas and New Years. Would be totally worth it... like paying to take a trip somewhere. I love cold troughing this time of year. About as much as I love ridging in the summer. You are not taking into account my seasonal preferences! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snow Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 Boom..let's see if we can get a full bifurcation in JAN: http://catchmypicture.com/f/BTr4C2/1280.jpgThat's insane! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 I wouldn't call January 2013 "Arctic" at all, at least not until after the 20th when the big blast slid east of the Rockies. The earlier airmass that came down over the intermountain west had no arctic connection.. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 My son is going through skiing withdrawl right now... I have linked him to all the models on his iPhone now so he can stop killing the messenger when it comes to the prospects for mountain snow (i.e. me)! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 14, 2014 Report Share Posted December 14, 2014 The PNW has until mid-January to score, as a Niño-esque pattern will likely return in late January..just a heads up.. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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