snow_wizard Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Looks like the drought experts kicked WA from abnormally dry to moderate drought and OR from moderate drought to severe drought. This could get ugly if we don't get a couple of wet months. home.png 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Not good. I'm getting concerned about my well this summer if we don't have a wet spring. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 For many years... the SE was in a terrible drought. I remember looking at these maps and thinking something must have changed with their climate down there because the SE was perpetually in a drought. Looks like its changed. Maybe the NW will be in a drought for a few years now. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 It’s all part of the natural cycles of climate. It’s unfortunate, but it’s inevitable to happen sooner or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan the Weatherman Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I am really beginning to think that there is something else besides the -PDO, +AMO, ENSO neutral regime that is causing this drought. This regime usually leads to drier than average winters for the southern half of CA, but I don't believe the PNW is usually dry in this type of pattern. This Ridiculously Resilient Ridge (RRR) in the NE/E Pacific has led to dry conditions from BC (British Columbia) to BC (Baja California). This ridge has had the uncanny ability to spring right back into place as soon as the weather pattern tries to change for any length of time, and as a result, a really good series of moisture-laden storms has not been able to penetrate the west coast, especially in the southern half of Oregon and California. If this pattern continues, drought could very well be a big problem for the entire western part of the country as we get into the spring and summer months, with the possible exception of parts of Montana, North Dakota, and possibly parts of South Dakota. The combination of -PDO and +AMO tend to lead to drought conditions in the Midwest, Plains and the southwestern U.S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigOne Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I wonder if this was the normal pattern during the 1,000AD warming age? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 I wonder if this was the normal pattern during the 1,000AD warming age? It absolutely was. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westiztehbest Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 It’s all part of the natural cycles of climate. It’s unfortunate, but it’s inevitable to happen sooner or later. This. Last year at this time (or two years ago) we were on the opposite end of the spectrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 This. Last year at this time (or two years ago) we were on the opposite end of the spectrum. We need to be somewhere in the middle. There was too much ocean influence in winters like 2007-08 for the western lowlands to get much snow, but this winter has been far too dry during the cold waves. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastexpat Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Scary. It's nice to see that the midwest is finally out of the drought it seems. Those folks have been hammered for the last few years. The south central US continues to be drought-stricken, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I wonder if this was the normal pattern during the 1,000AD warming age?That was significantly worse. The reason why studies involving glaciers in the Olympic mountains only go back 800-850 yrs is because those glaciers were either very small or even didn't exist during the Medieval warm period. The climate in the Puget Sound area resembled the current climate of Portland OR. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted January 31, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 That was significantly worse. The reason why studies involving glaciers in the Olympic mountains only go back 800-850 yrs is because those glaciers were either very small or even didn't exist during the Medieval warm period. The climate in the Puget Sound area resembled the current climate of Portland OR. Is there hard evidence for this? Very interesting if true. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 That was significantly worse. The reason why studies involving glaciers in the Olympic mountains only go back 800-850 yrs is because those glaciers were either very small or even didn't exist during the Medieval warm period. The climate in the Puget Sound area resembled the current climate of Portland OR. Not really a big difference, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Not really a big difference, then.About 1-2C warmer on a 50yr+ resolution is very significant. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Is there hard evidence for this? Very interesting if true.Yes. I'll dig up the papers this evening. It's a fascinating read. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigOne Posted February 1, 2014 Report Share Posted February 1, 2014 That was significantly worse. The reason why studies involving glaciers in the Olympic mountains only go back 800-850 yrs is because those glaciers were either very small or even didn't exist during the Medieval warm period. The climate in the Puget Sound area resembled the current climate of Portland OR.What would down here in Salem Oregon area here resembeled? Medford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted February 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Not really a big difference, then. There is a pretty large difference between the two cities April though October...maybe even November. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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