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8 hours ago, MossMan said:

Judging by the mass number of downvotes this evening it would appear that Jesse has the night shift covered! Down voting dogs in boats, green lush grass, and temps in the 50’s…Interesting. 

You still don’t know the system yet do you?

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24 minutes ago, The Blob said:

I looked at the map for the Bootleg fire. I didn't realize how close it was to the property my parents have. Good thing there isn't anything on it.

Insane how this thing is exponentially growing. Doubling every day. Went from 77k acres yesterday to 143k today. It’s going to be a long fire season.

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1 minute ago, Omegaraptor said:

Insane how this thing is exponentially growing. Doubling every day. Went from 77k acres yesterday to 143k today. It’s going to be a long fire season.

I was just about to post it hit 143k. I was going to guess a bit over 100k. Going to be fun when we eventually get some offshore flow. 

Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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44 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Sun start to the day here... based on the loop the clouds in South King County formed in place and actually built towards the west rather than coming in the coast.    Looks like less smoke today as well but you can see the northern edge of the massive smoke plume from the Bootleg fire.

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Socked in here. Once again, the Issaquah Alps are blocking the stratus.

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2 minutes ago, MV_snow said:

Socked in here. Once again, the Issaquah Alps are blocking the stratus.

It's already starting to retreat though.    When its not deep enough to get over the ridge here then it usually burns off much faster elsewhere.  

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12 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I was just about to post it hit 143k. I was going to guess a bit over 100k. Going to be fun when we eventually get some offshore flow. 

Just goes to show how insanely dry it is in Klamath, Lake, and south Deschutes counties right now. There’s no moisture whatsoever in the soil and vegetation, pine cones are brittle and crunch when you step on them. RH in the single digits or just above every day. Tinderbox.

I didn’t hear a single firework on the night of the Fourth.

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2 minutes ago, Omegaraptor said:

Just goes to show how insanely dry it is in Klamath, Lake, and south Deschutes counties right now. There’s no moisture whatsoever in the soil and vegetation, pine cones are brittle and crunch when you step on them. RH in the single digits or just above every day. Tinderbox.

I didn’t hear a single firework on the night of the Fourth.

Southern OR is basically becoming an extension of northern CA in terms of climo. 

Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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I don't even know what to say about that fire in Klamath County. It is just going to burn every tree in that region I suppose. I don't see much hope that area ever recovers. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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SLE actually running a few degrees behind yesterday at this time. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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Haven't had any direct sunlight this morning. That plume of smoke must have created a high overcast, the smoke itself actually isn't bad as I got all the windows open. Feels like it got down to 49 but the airport had 52.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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https://imgur.com/SuGTijl

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15 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Wow. When was the last time a ~150k acre fire was in southern Oregon?

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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https://imgur.com/SuGTijl

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13 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

Wow. When was the last time a ~150k acre fire was in southern Oregon?

Well SW Oregon had the 176,000 acre Chetco Bar fire in 2017, and then the 500,000 acre Biscuit Fire was in SW Oregon in 2002. But this is probably the biggest fire in recorded history in South Central Oregon. There was a pretty big fire along Jim Poker/Winter Ridge back in 2018, looks like this fire is going to make a run at that burn scar. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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7 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

The Biscuit Fire (yum!) topped out at about 500,000 acres in 2002.

First I heard of that one, thanks for sharing.

6 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Well SW Oregon had the 176,000 acre Chetco Bar fire in 2017, and then the 500,000 acre Biscuit Fire was in SW Oregon in 2002. But this is probably the biggest fire in recorded history in South Central Oregon. There was a pretty big fire along Jim Poker/Winter Ridge back in 2018, looks like this fire is going to make a run at that burn scar. 

The way this is growing, yeah this one could reach 300k or more before there is any sort containment.

Been fortunate to have not seen any real close pyrocumulonimbus since 2014.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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2 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Had a low of 50.

Currently 62. Going to be another perfect PNW day! 

The PNW begins at the King Co. line, goes east to the Cascade Crest and north to the Canadian border. Here we live in the region now known as the dry and smoky hinterlands. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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I wonder how much of the area being burnt by the Bootleg fire was even forested when pioneers settled the region. A lot of forest in those dry areas have become a lot larger and denser than they were historically, thanks to decades of fire suppression in the 20th century.

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3 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The PNW begins at the King Co. line, goes east to the Cascade Crest and north to the Canadian border. Here we live in the region now known as the dry and smoky hinterlands. 

I was thinking begins and ends in King County. ;)

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Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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[Klamath Falls, OR 2010 to 2021]
https://imgur.com/SuGTijl

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26 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The PNW begins at the King Co. line, goes east to the Cascade Crest and north to the Canadian border. Here we live in the region now known as the dry and smoky hinterlands. 

Wow so I’m not even included. 

Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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1 minute ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Wow so I’m not even included. 

You are if it's an Arctic event. When those happen, the PNW ends at the northern Lane County border.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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Just now, Jesse said:

I got pretty close to getting deployed to the bootleg fire this coming week, but it looks like I will be waiting until the next rotation in August. Gotta wonder where/what fires will be burning by then.

If you're serious, then thank you for working on them. There are so many logistics that go into wildfire fighting that it's good to have someone here that knows a lot about it.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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3 minutes ago, Jesse said:

I got pretty close to getting deployed to the bootleg fire this coming week, but it looks like I will be waiting until the next rotation in August. Gotta wonder where/what fires will be burning by then.

Praying for you and all the firefighters this year. Can’t see things getting better any time soon in terms of fire conditions. My brother was a firefighter with jobcorps in 2017 and 2018 up in the curlew area. Tough job being out there. 

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Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said:

If you're serious, then thank you for working on them. There are so many logistics that go into wildfire fighting that it's good to have someone here that knows a lot about it.

Thanks. I’m being serious. I started working for the USFS earlier this year and they give all employees an opportunity to get their red card and serve in backup fire crews if they pass the training and a few physical tests. I figured why not.

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3 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Praying for you and all the firefighters this year. Can’t see things getting better any time soon in terms of fire conditions. My brother was a firefighter with jobcorps in 2017 and 2018 up in the curlew area. Tough job being out there. 

Thanks. Yeah each deployment is about two weeks, and every employee who is qualified gets a shot at at least one. I don’t think the backup crews generally get as much into the nitty gritty of direct attack as the regular guys, but if personnel is short you really never know what you will end up doing.

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5 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Thanks. I’m being serious. I started working for the USFS earlier this year and they give all employees an opportunity to get their red card and serve in backup fire crews if they pass the training and a few physical tests. I figured why not.

Awesome. Hopefully you won’t need to this fire season but if so, please be safe and stay healthy! 

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8 minutes ago, Jesse said:

I wonder how much of the area being burnt by the Bootleg fire was even forested when pioneers settled the region. A lot of forest in those dry areas have become a lot larger and denser than they were historically, thanks to decades of fire suppression in the 20th century.

Good point Cliff. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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17 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said:

Wow so I’m not even included. 

You keep saying July has been warm, which directly contradicts Mossman and Jim. lol

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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The 1990 Pine Springs Basin Fire in northern Harney County was a beast. Drove through that burn scar a couple years ago, apparently much of it burned again in 2007 which explains why the scar looked shockingly new. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

SEA is running 5 degrees warmer than yesterday at this time.

It’s definitely noticeably warmer. BFI is running couple degrees warmer than yesterday at this time and at home, it’s quite a few degrees warmer. Currently 72, but I’m starting to think the station I’m using as reference may be running too warm…. It always does. 

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2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You keep saying July has been warm, which directly contradicts Mossman and Jim. lol

I’m up to 64 degrees!! 

Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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