Minny_Weather Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 Very good chance that my grandma in Southern California will see way cooler temps to close this week than me. 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, OmahaSnowFan said: Wowza. Has to be part of the new pattern. But how much will this affect the central US? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 1 hour ago, james1976 said: Has to be part of the new pattern. But how much will this affect the central US? I believe that's what becomes the late week storm. Either way, ensembles aren't showing a long-term pattern change east of the Rockies. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 5, 2021 Report Share Posted October 5, 2021 This absolute monster of a ridge out east isn't helping matters. As long as that's there, Fall never arrives. 2 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaSnowFan Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, FAR_Weather said: This absolute monster of a ridge out east isn't helping matters. As long as that's there, Fall never arrives. Yep. It basically lifts straight north. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I don't know why, but the last couple days I haven't had the best of sleep. For some reason, I'm getting up way to early but at least I get a solid 4-5 hours of deeper sleep. Anyone else feeling the same? Anyway, today is one of those important days in early October as it could be Day 1 of the new LRC. Boy, is there a LOT going on our wx pattern that is really intriguing. I've been monitoring the models just like everyone and what excites me is how active this new pattern is starting off. What is fascinating to me is there will be 4 separate systems to track over the next 5 days across the central Sub, each of which, are progressively stronger compared to the previous system. System #1: It starts off with a cut-off ULL coming due N out of the deep south that @Clinton mentioned which is caught up in a Rex Block pattern which I believe will be a big part of the 1st half of the LRC. In future cycles, if this is indeed system 1, is quite the way to kick of the LRC for @OKwx2k4and those of us near the MW/GL's region. System #2: Then there is a fast moving wave that will traverse the Rockies which initially slams into central Cali on the 8th. A weaker piece shears off and tracks across the N Sub over the weekend.... System #3: The models have been back and forth about this one but it appears that the trough which hits CA sorta slows down while an "inside slider" kicks this trough down into the desert SW and ejects out into the TX Panhandle...aka "The Slot"...this system forms into a stronger wave along the trailing CF and cuts NE through the Plains/MW. The models differ how far east it tracks around the 10th/11th period. System #4: Finally, in what will likely be the strongest system in this wave train, we will be tracking our seasons first legit Autumn storm. A powerhouse trough tracks deep into 4 corners region around the 12th. This is one hellova trough and is a clear signal that we will have big time systems tracking out of the SW this season. I'm excited for many reasons to see this pattern setting up. Most importantly, this should bring healthy snows to the mountains and deserts of the SW this winter. The active Monsoon season was a big indicator to me that this years LRC would feature an active SW Flow. So, here we are, right at the beginning of this new pattern and its off to a rocking start! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 I forgot to mention the system that tracked into the San Diego/SoCal region yesterday which we will see if this is part of the new pattern ( I think it is). My mother flew into PHX yesterday morning and took a flight path farther south across the Tucson area to avoid the showers/storms that were targeting the typical flight path over the eastern mtn's of AZ. In essence, this new pattern is really showing an encouraging sign that we will see systems dig deep this cold season until we see periods of ridging which I see coming late month into Nov. So, we are tracking 5 systems in 5 days??? What a wild pattern. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom said: I don't know why, but the last couple days I haven't had the best of sleep. For some reason, I'm getting up way to early but at least I get a solid 4-5 hours of deeper sleep. Anyone else feeling the same? Anyway, today is one of those important days in early October as it could be Day 1 of the new LRC. Boy, is there a LOT going on our wx pattern that is really intriguing. I've been monitoring the models just like everyone and what excites me is how active this new pattern is starting off. What is fascinating to me is there will be 4 separate systems to track over the next 5 days across the central Sub, each of which, are progressively stronger compared to the previous system. System #1: It starts off with a cut-off ULL coming due N out of the deep south that @Clinton mentioned which is caught up in a Rex Block pattern which I believe will be a big part of the 1st half of the LRC. In future cycles, if this is indeed system 1, is quite the way to kick of the LRC for @OKwx2k4and those of us near the MW/GL's region. System #2: Then there is a fast moving wave that will traverse the Rockies which initially slams into central Cali on the 8th. A weaker piece shears off and tracks across the N Sub over the weekend.... System #3: The models have been back and forth about this one but it appears that the trough which hits CA sorta slows down while an "inside slider" kicks this trough down into the desert SW and ejects out into the TX Panhandle...aka "The Slot"...this system forms into a stronger wave along the trailing CF and cuts NE through the Plains/MW. The models differ how far east it tracks around the 10th/11th period. System #4: Finally, in what will likely be the strongest system in this wave train, we will be tracking our seasons first legit Autumn storm. A powerhouse trough tracks deep into 4 corners region around the 12th. This is one hellova trough and is a clear signal that we will have big time systems tracking out of the SW this season. I'm excited for many reasons to see this pattern setting up. Most importantly, this should bring healthy snows to the mountains and deserts of the SW this winter. The active Monsoon season was a big indicator to me that this years LRC would feature an active SW Flow. So, here we are, right at the beginning of this new pattern and its off to a rocking start! Exciting foresure! Seems like it's been 15 years since we've seen storms dig deep into the SW like this. KC folks the storm showing up on the 10th/11th should put a smile on your face. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Another encouraging sign for the first 10 days of the new LRC is that almost all of us are forecasted to receive average to above average precipitation. That doesn't necessarily mean above average snowfall later on but a much wetter signal than how last season started out. Especially for @FAR_Weather 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 We are back home after spending a week in the Bay City area for my mother in law's funeral. There was 1.35" of rain in the rain gauge when we got home yesterday. We brought some of my mother in laws things home with us so I rented a U haul for that. I left my car up in Linwood so we will be going back up today to pick it up. Up in the Bay City area there is some good color on the trees but the leaves are already falling so not sure how long that will last. And near town on the west side area there is a lot of flooding in the fields and in places the roads were flooded and closed for a while. At this time it is cloudy and 58 here at my house. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, westMJim said: We are back home after spending a week in the Bay City area for my mother in law's funeral. There was 1.35" of rain in the rain gauge when we got home yesterday. We brought some of my mother in laws things home with us so I rented a U haul for that. I left my car up in Linwood so we will be going back up today to pick it up. Up in the Bay City area there is some good color on the trees but the leaves are already falling so not sure how long that will last. And near town on the west side area there is a lot of flooding in the fields and in places the roads were flooded and closed for a while. At this time it is cloudy and 58 here at my house. May she Rest In Peace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Has Lezak mentioned that this first system lifting due north out of the gulf is the beginning of the new LRC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Des Moines talking severe potential next week. The forecast for Tuesday and especially just beyond the 7 day forecast on Wednesday still looks interesting as closed upper low develops and lifts into the Midwest. Won`t go into too many details at this point since it is still way out west of Alaska, but it likely will be a severe weather setup somewhere across the region along with very strong synoptic winds. Stay tuned! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 28 minutes ago, james1976 said: Has Lezak mentioned that this first system lifting due north out of the gulf is the beginning of the new LRC? This one is interesting because it's not a dominate feature and it got cut-off in the changing, and blocked off pattern. I don't know if we'll see this again and Lezak seems much more excited about the storm Sunday night and Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 Here is another system @Tomthat the GFS has for Oct. 19th. I lose track of what number this would be. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawker85 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 happy day 1 of the new LRC everyone! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 36 minutes ago, Jayhawker85 said: happy day 1 of the new LRC everyone! For those who believe in the LRC at least, lol 1 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawker85 Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 21 minutes ago, FAR_Weather said: For those who believe in the LRC at least, lol you dont think the weather pattern has reoccuring cycles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jayhawker85 said: you dont think the weather pattern has reoccuring cycles? No. I think weather does what it wants, when it wants. 2 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, someweatherdude said: I'm somewhere in between you and Gary. I don't think the LRC can pinpoint weather to the same extent Gary does. But as much as I've watched winter weather, there are clearly patterns and cycles that set up each year. There are places where troughs seem to dominate and others where ridges seem to dominate. Some areas seem to be in the sweet spot for snow and storms each year while others miss out. The jet stream moves, but seems to also have a default that it likes to keep settling back to. And this all happens in a rough cyclical manner. But there are so many variables that determining the practical weather at the surface in a specific location on a specific date is still beyond us. Well said…I’m a believer of the cyclical nature of the LRC but trying to forecast a specific date in the far future is years away from perfecting. Who knows if we’ll ever see a model predict the wx in a high accuracy rate beyond D10. I’d love to see this in my lifetime as it would benefit every single person on this planet. People don’t realize it but the wx literally effects every aspect of our lives. That’s why I love learning about meteorology and the climate every day. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 33 minutes ago, someweatherdude said: I'm somewhere in between you and Gary. I don't think the LRC can pinpoint weather to the same extent Gary does. But as much as I've watched winter weather, there are clearly patterns and cycles that set up each year. There are places where troughs seem to dominate and others where ridges seem to dominate. Some areas seem to be in the sweet spot for snow and storms each year while others miss out. The jet stream moves, but seems to also have a default that it likes to keep settling back to. And this all happens in a rough cyclical manner. But there are so many variables that determining the practical weather at the surface in a specific location on a specific date is still beyond us. I think sometimes there are things that go on near the surface that don't seem predictable that influence where a storm may track. But I do see the cyclical nature of the storms. One piece of evidence Gary has claimed to be able to do but has never produced evidence that I have seen is to show that there is a predictability to teleconnections. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 40 minutes ago, someweatherdude said: I'm somewhere in between you and Gary. I don't think the LRC can pinpoint weather to the same extent Gary does. But as much as I've watched winter weather, there are clearly patterns and cycles that set up each year. There are places where troughs seem to dominate and others where ridges seem to dominate. Some areas seem to be in the sweet spot for snow and storms each year while others miss out. The jet stream moves, but seems to also have a default that it likes to keep settling back to. And this all happens in a rough cyclical manner. But there are so many variables that determining the practical weather at the surface in a specific location on a specific date is still beyond us. I'm not about to discredit it, either. I know of very reputable mets who believe in the LRC and swear by it. I just don't use it as a forecast tool to the extent that some on here do. It's a cool theory. 3 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 12z Euro has 2 storms coming through here, one on the 11th and the stronger one on the 13th-14th. Seems like the 2nd one has come farther south. GFS still wants to send it almost due north. Canadian looks more like the Euro. The track of both of these would bring in colder air and there might even be some flakes around, probably more towards Western Nebraska. I would guess a cold rain around here if this track verifies. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 6, 2021 Report Share Posted October 6, 2021 2 hours ago, CentralNebWeather said: 12z Euro has 2 storms coming through here, one on the 11th and the stronger one on the 13th-14th. Seems like the 2nd one has come farther south. GFS still wants to send it almost due north. Canadian looks more like the Euro. The track of both of these would bring in colder air and there might even be some flakes around, probably more towards Western Nebraska. I would guess a cold rain around here if this track verifies. 13-14th should have a lot of moisture to tap into down there. Not as much when it's up here. I might get a few hours of rain followed by a windstorm. Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Reed timmer getting excited about next week. If it comes to fruition, and the LRC is legit, this baby will be a signature for 2021-22! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 On and off showers today totaled up to .22 inches. Slowly starting to get some moisture again the last 7 days. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Just now, gabel23 said: Reed timmer getting excited about next week. If it comes to fruition, and the LRC is legit, this baby will be a signature for 2021-22! That could tornado drought for Oklahoma next spring. I see the SPC is already introducing a slight risk in the 5 and 7 day period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Flagstaff is getting down into the teens. Meanwhile, I haven't even gotten to the 30s yet. I'm not salty, you're salty. 2 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 5 hours ago, Clinton said: On and off showers today totaled up to .22 inches. Slowly starting to get some moisture again the last 7 days. Great start to the month of October after a warm and dry Sept. It's like the pattern is about to "flip the switch"...I'm excited to be finally tracking storm systems and the one showing up next Mon/Tue coming out of the TX Panhandle region has your area in its sights for severe wx. It's also kinda nice to see the models showing your typical autumn-like storms that have the comma shape to them as it illustrates a healthy system. I'm diggin' the potential for this new LRC pattern. BTW, what does that ol' folklore tale mean when you see fog in Autumn??? I think someone said that it bodes well for winter down the road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Speaking of nature, it appears she will be alleviating the drought across the Upper MW/MW over the next 10 days. 0z Euro couldn't dial it up much better than this. It literally has the heaviest ribbons of precip smack dab over the areas that need it most (N MN/IA/N IL). 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 After analyzing past data from way back on Sept 22nd, coincidentally, the start of astronomical Autumn, we had a powerful Bearing Sea storm track across the Aleutians. Using the BSR as LR guidance, the major trough that is forecast to wallop the inter-mountain west early next week is quite the correlation. This system is going to become a powerhouse and likely become a signature storm of the LRC. I'm intrigued to see so many systems to track during the opening 2 weeks of October. I already envision the Oct 6th - 15th period to be referred as "Cutter Week Special" in future cycles. I gotta feeling my LRC notepad will be much longer and detailed than any other year. Giddy up! 0z EPS snow forecast...great start to the snow season out west... On another note, today's JMA weeklies are in and leaning towards the eastern CONUS trough I've been alluding to post 25th. Several other LR signals I use are especially driving the idea of a potentially amplified N.A. 500mb to close out the month and open Nov. See maps below...one of the strongest signals for the developing new pattern this entire month of Oct is the massive and expansive ridge over eastern Canada. This has blocking, blocking, blocking written all over it during the cold season and into early Spring. I really think we are going to see a ton of HP to our north as winter settles in that will "seed" the cold for systems that we track. Just my 2 cents. Week 2...after the wetter week next week, it looks like near normal precip for the majority of the Sub and a somewhat cooler period compared to the opening week 2 weeks of Oct. Precip/Temp...Once the beast storm early next week rolls through the N Sub, I think we will see re-adjusting of the troughs/ridge patterns across the CONUS. These temps will be refreshing and feel more October-like.... Week 3-4...the week of the 24th is my target period where the North American pattern begins to dial up hints of winter in the lower 48. The SW will dry up as the ridge builds in as the stout eastern Canadian ridge holds steady will create a corridor of storms to track underneath the block up north in Canada. Could there be a Halloween storm to track across the eastern Sub??? Precip/Temp...the nation will be active from coast-to-coast, esp when you take into consideration the blocking up in Canada. My, oh my, we are certainly going to see an active month ahead. This is fascinating to see in the model world, but especially, it would be wonderful to see in the "real world"...haha ... Regards to the temps during this period, look for it to start off seasonal but trend colder to close out Oct.... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom said: Great start to the month of October after a warm and dry Sept. It's like the pattern is about to "flip the switch"...I'm excited to be finally tracking storm systems and the one showing up next Mon/Tue coming out of the TX Panhandle region has your area in its sights for severe wx. It's also kinda nice to see the models showing your typical autumn-like storms that have the comma shape to them as it illustrates a healthy system. I'm diggin' the potential for this new LRC pattern. BTW, what does that ol' folklore tale mean when you see fog in Autumn??? I think someone said that it bodes well for winter down the road. If the snow is as thick as the fog this morning I'm on good shape this winter. Its good to see a system target KC this early and another thing I see is that these storms are reaching their peak strength as they move into the Sub. That's something Gary always alludes to when putting together his winter forecast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 7, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Clinton said: If the snow is as thick as the fog this morning I'm on good shape this winter. Its good to see a system target KC this early and another thing I see is that these storms are reaching their peak strength as they move into the Sub. That's something Gary always alludes to when putting together his winter forecast. Right on! It appears the MW region could be one of the hot spots. Way to early to see, but nonetheless, it is looking interesting so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 The 6z GFS just went from wet to wetter for next week, and off in fantasy land it goes cold with many of us seeing our first flakes of the season. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Jim Flowers also getting excited about the storm next week and talks about the new "30-35 day cycle" https://www.facebook.com/JimFlowersForecaster/videos/553751415868528/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 43 minutes ago, Clinton said: The 6z GFS just went from wet to wetter for next week, and off in fantasy land it goes cold with many of us seeing our first flakes of the season. Thats a heck of a trough. Turns into a closed off low over the lakes. Kind of in line with @Tom's thought toward late October. Obviously way out in fantasy but something to take note of. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkeye Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Models are consistently showing the current rain event lifting east and north of my area. I'm hopeful for the Monday system as models are looking better. 2 Quote season snowfall: 34.8" '22-23: 30.2" '21-22: 27.1" '20-21: 52.5" '19-20: 36.2" '18-19: 50.2" '17-18: 39.5" Average snowfall: ~30" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayhawker85 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 2 hours ago, james1976 said: Jim Flowers also getting excited about the storm next week and talks about the new "30-35 day cycle" https://www.facebook.com/JimFlowersForecaster/videos/553751415868528/ i really hope the pattern is not 30 days, thats a tad too short if you are in a exciting or boring pattern 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minny_Weather Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 Remember Dean Wysocki? Dean Wysocki from Lincoln? Yeah, well he's at WDAY in Fargo now. Quote It's LRC week and for weather enthusiasts, this is the week that starts the FIRST cycle of the LRC starts. What is the LRC? This is a relatively NEW forecasting technique to forecast long term weather using a "cycling" method. The "cycle" starts out around Oct 6th and lasts anywhere between 30 and 60 days. Last years "cycle" was 46 days. Here's how it works.....there is a pattern that sets up each fall and it continuously "cycles" through the winter/spring/summer into the following fall. It's a MAJOR piece to long term forecasting and has proven 70 to 80% accurate. Gary Lezak who discovered the LRC accurately predicted 5 of the hurricanes in the Gulf 7 months in advance using his LRC method. Don't believe it? Don't believe IN it? https://www.longdom.org/.../pcycling-weather-patterns-in... So....watch what the weather will be like in YOUR area over the next 30 to 60 days.....if it's stormy....expect an active winter/spring. Stay tuned...... Side note: We will have Gary on our show Nov. 17th to get his thoughts on the LRC upcoming winter for the northern plains. More details to follow. Chief Meteorologist, Dean Wysocki Douchebag human being but still a good met. 1 1 Quote Formerly *ahem*: LNK_Weather, TOL_Weather, FAR_Weather, MSP_Weather, IMoveALot_Weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted October 7, 2021 Report Share Posted October 7, 2021 1 hour ago, FAR_Weather said: Remember Dean Wysocki? Dean Wysocki from Lincoln? Yeah, well he's at WDAY in Fargo now. Douchebag human being but still a good met. The guy was chased out of town for what sounds like beating his wife. I always loved and admired Dean; after what I heard he did to his wife I'm shocked that anybody would have hired him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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