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17 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Tim certainly gets more snow than us, even though I’m 700’ higher. His higher latitude and most importantly C-zone, give him a major advantage there. Also he does get some seepage through snoqualmie pass. 
 

BUT, we definitely have significantly more frost/freezes. 

PSCZ is his biggest factor. Like the other day, Tim was socked in it with the rain and tstorms. Precip/hr rates can be astounding there. 

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4 hours ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

Crazy you're already getting those types of snowstorms!

16" in 24 hours is a big storm for anytime of the year here honestly!

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Cold Season 2023/24:

Total snowfall: 26"

Highest daily snowfall: 5"

Deepest snow depth: 12"

Coldest daily high: -20ºF

Coldest daily low: -42ºF

Number of subzero days: 5

Personal Weather Station on Wunderground: 

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13 minutes ago, Cloud said:

PSCZ is his biggest factor. Like the other day, Tim was socked in it with the rain and tstorms. Precip/hr rates can be astounding there. 

A close second in terms of snowfall are overrunning events with an east wind and being protected from the SW wind.   Those are by far the biggest snow makers here (e.g. Feb 2019) but don't happen as often as c-zone snow.

Andrew does not get c-zone snow and usually does not get any benefit from an east wind.    His advantage is solely elevation.    But in certain patterns that difference is huge.   He can be buried in snow down there in strong onshore flow while all we have is non-sticking slop.  

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7 minutes ago, Kayla said:

16" in 24 hours is a big storm for anytime of the year here honestly!

Yeah I've only had one like that the whole time I lived here.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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6 minutes ago, Kayla said:

16" in 24 hours is a big storm for anytime of the year here honestly!

LOL my son had some very choice words for this storm when we talked this past Sunday.  The first couple of years he lived/worked on campus, or very close to campus so the snow was not as big of a deal.  Last year he barely went out because of Covid (like most everyone else).  Now he lives a mile or so east of the hospital and works at a restaurant downtown, so he is having to be out and about a lot more.

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19 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Definitely... sometimes it can take forever to mix out with weak to even moderate SW flow.     2/12/19 is a great example.   It just kept snowing and snowing here while it was raining just to our west... 3+ feet of snow.  

You got over 3 feet on just that day?!

 

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Mercer Island, 350 ft

2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21

2020-2021: 15.6"

2019-2020: ~10"

2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5"

2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0"

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10 minutes ago, Geos said:

You got over 3 feet on just that day?!

 

Yes sir.     If you remember... the National Guard was called in to help North Bend dig out.     While we barely made our escape through tunnels of snow to get to Hawaii for 2 weeks.     An amazing amount of snow was still left when we returned.   And it was rock hard after days of cold sunshine and east wind.   We got some insight into the process of glacier building firsthand.    😀

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3 hours ago, TacomaWaWx said:

We’re probably due for some ridging in late October and early November like some others have pointed out. Some of those long range ensemble means look like it anyways. 

Should see the this pattern start to back off later this month into early November, but suspect any legitimate ridging will hold off until mid-November. First part of December might lean that way as well. This is probably the warmest/ridgiest period of the 2021/22 winter season, though.

Most analogs lean to a more canonical La Niña solution in late December and January (IE: -PNA, maybe -WPO as well, trough over NW North America), but perhaps with more of a 2007/08 amplitude across the NPAC. Difference might be a more -NAO tendency this winter relative to 2007/08.

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6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Yes sir.     If you remember... the National Guard was called in to help North Bend dig out.     While we barely made our escape through tunnels of snow to get to Hawaii for 2 weeks.     An amazing amount of snow was still left when we returned.   And it was rock hard after days of cold sunshine and east wind.   We got some insight into glacier building firsthand.    😀

How did I miss that little tidbit on your place getting 3 FEET in one event? 🙀

Feb 2019 must have been really busy for all of us.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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12 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

How did I miss that little tidbit on your place getting 3 FEET in one event? 🙀

Feb 2019 must have been really busy for all of us.

2+ inches an hour all night... and into the next day.     

This was around noon on 2/12/2019 when the snow was letting up and after we dug out... and right before we made our escape.    My wife was trying to dig out some of our small trees and could not navigate the yard... it was almost up to her shoulders.

 

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4 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

2+ inches an hour all night... and into the next day.     

This was around noon on 2/12/2019 when the snow was letting up and after we dug out... and right before we made our escape.    My wife was trying to dig out some of our small trees and could not navigate the yard... it was almost up to her shoulders.

 

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No thanks! I've shoveled that before. 6-12 inches is perfect.👍⛄

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6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

2 inches an hour all night... and into the next day.     

This was around noon on 2/12/2019 after we dug out and right before we made our escape.  

 

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There were places in W. Sea/Burien and surrounding area/s around SeaTac that approached 3 feet in 2019

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13 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Yes sir.     If you remember... the National Guard was called in to help North Bend dig out.     While we barely made our escape through tunnels of snow to get to Hawaii for 2 weeks.     An amazing amount of snow was still left when we returned.   And it was rock hard after days of cold sunshine and east wind.   We got some insight into the process of glacier building firsthand.    😀

Yeah I remember the national guard being called out to North Bend. I guess I didn't remember the fact that the 3 feet fell in 24 hours! 

That was the day the really heavy snow fell in north Kirkland where I was living. The power cut out in the mid evening. I remember shoveling the sidewalk for the neighbors and seeing the blue flashes from the transformers going out and then all of sudden the street light I was under went out! I think the power stayed off at least 18 hours into the 13th. 

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Mercer Island, 350 ft

2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21

2020-2021: 15.6"

2019-2020: ~10"

2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5"

2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0"

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7 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

2+ inches an hour all night... and into the next day.     

This was around noon on 2/12/2019 when the snow was letting up and after we dug out... and right before we made our escape.    My wife was trying to dig out some of our small trees and could not navigate the yard... it was almost up to her shoulders.

 

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I never broke a 10" depth that whole month. But snowed that entire February. 🤪

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Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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11 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

I never broke a 10" depth that whole month. But snowed that entire February. 🤪

We peaked at a 22” depth in early March. 18 days in February with at least 1” of snow, pretty amazing. Snowcover from Super Bowl Sunday to late March. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, snow drift said:

I don't know how much we had. Some areas still had snow in late March.

It was 80 degrees here in mid March and there was still snowbanks around.   Sort of a surreal combination for this area.

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4 minutes ago, snow drift said:

I don't know how much we had. Some areas still had snow in late March.

It continued snowing in March; that was 2 months in a row with between 3-4 times normal monthly snowfall. 

And the storm on 3/10/2019 closed school for the day. I don't think it's ever done that in early Spring in a long while here.

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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I remember getting about 28" in February of 2019 from the 3rd - 13th and then about 2" in early March.

Well the rain is pretty much here. 

 

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Mercer Island, 350 ft

2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21

2020-2021: 15.6"

2019-2020: ~10"

2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5"

2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0"

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3 minutes ago, JBolin said:

Dude, I lived in W. Sea in February of 2019, there were places around the Myrtle reservoir and in Burien that were approaching nearly 30+ inches in the highest area/s. 

I believe it…even here where we transitioned out of snow faster down south it was getting close to 2’ of snow at the end. Was a nightmare the next few days trying to get around after it dumped snow then rained and kept re-freezing the next few nights after it was over. 

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Tacoma WA elevation 300’

Monthly rainfall-3.56”

Warm season rainfall-11.14”

Max temp-88

+80 highs-2

+85 highs-2

+90 highs-0

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

It continued snowing in March; that was 2 months in a row with between 3-4 times normal monthly snowfall. 

And the storm on 3/10/2019 closed school for the day. I don't think it's ever done that in early Spring in a long while here.

We got a few inches from that storm. We didn't have any big storms, but we had a bunch of little smaller storms.

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1 minute ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I believe it…even here where we transitioned out of snow faster down south it was getting close to 2’ of snow at the end. Was a nightmare the next few days trying to get around after it dumped snow then rained and kept re-freezing the next few nights after it was over. 

Slush fest with a freeze at night 

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Can't tell with my plain phone camera but the tomatoes were healthy and still growing yesterday. Today after the hard frost they are basically shriveled and dead just from last night. Pleasant right now though.

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Garfield County/Pomeroy, WA:

2023-2024 Snowfall totals: 14.3 inches

HIghest snow total (per event): 5.8 inches total 1/11/24 - 1/12/24.

Most recent accumulation (non trace): 0.20 inches on 2/26/24

Days with  trace or more snowfall: 12/01/23 (0.60), 1/8/24 (1.0), 1/10/24 (3.5), 1/11/23 (3.5 inches with Thundersnow; separate event from prior day), 1/12/24 (2.30). 1/14/24 (T), 1/17/24 (1.20 inches), 1/18/24 (1.5 inches), 1/19/24 (0.20), 2/09/24 (0.30), 2/26/24 (0.20-mainly graupel)

First Freeze: 10/27/2023

Last Sub freezing Day: 1/20/24 (12th) (8 days in a row from 1/12/24-1/20/24)

Coldest low: -12F (!!!!!!!!) (1/12/24)

Last White Christmas: 2022 at my location (on ground)

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6 minutes ago, snow drift said:

We got a few inches from that storm. We didn't have any big storms, but we had a bunch of little smaller storms.

Yup it was like that the whole season for me. I keep forgetting that my March 10th snow was the most daily snowfall that year. Any big blizzard in February would have smashed the old record Feb snowfall by a big margin.

02/04/2019 - 1.50"
02/05/2019 - 1.00"
02/06/2019 - T"
02/08/2019 - T"
02/09/2019 - 3.80"
02/10/2019 - T"
02/12/2019 - 2.00"
02/13/2019 - 3.20"
02/14/2019 - 1.00"
02/15/2019 - T"
02/16/2019 - 2.75"
02/17/2019 - T"
02/20/2019 - 2.25"
02/23/2019 - T"
02/24/2019 - T"
02/25/2019 - 3.00"
02/26/2019 - 4.80"
02/27/2019 - 2.20"

03/03/2019 - T"
03/05/2019 - 0.70"
03/09/2019 - 0.30"
03/10/2019 - 6.20" *(most March snow in 1 day I observed)*
03/12/2019 - 0.80"
03/23/2019 - 0.50"
03/27/2019 - 0.50"

Ashland, KY Weather

'23-'24 Winter

Snowfall - 5.50"
First freeze: 11/1 (32)
Minimum: 2 on 1/17

Measurable snows: 4
Max 1 day snow: 3" (1/19)

Thunders: 11
1/27, 1/28, 2/10, 2/22, 2/27, 2/28, 3/5, 3/6, 3/14, 3/15
3/26, 

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https://imgur.com/SuGTijl

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28 minutes ago, Geos said:

Yeah I remember the national guard being called out to North Bend. I guess I didn't remember the fact that the 3 feet fell in 24 hours! 

That was the day the really heavy snow fell in north Kirkland where I was living. The power cut out in the mid evening. I remember shoveling the sidewalk for the neighbors and seeing the blue flashes from the transformers going out and then all of sudden the street light I was under went out! I think the power stayed off at least 18 hours into the 13th. 

The power stayed on at my place on Bainbridge all through that event… until the last day when that heavy wet glop that ended up turning to rain fell. Then basically the whole island lost power. I stood outside and could hear large limbs breaking in all directions.

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2 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

Yup it was like that the whole season for me. I keep forgetting that my March 10th snow was the most daily snowfall that year. Any big blizzard in February would have smashed its old record Feb by a big margin.

02/04/2019 - 1.50"
02/05/2019 - 1.00"
02/06/2019 - T"
02/08/2019 - T"
02/09/2019 - 3.80"
02/10/2019 - T"
02/12/2019 - 2.00"
02/13/2019 - 3.20"
02/14/2019 - 1.00"
02/15/2019 - T"
02/16/2019 - 2.75"
02/17/2019 - T"
02/20/2019 - 2.25"
02/23/2019 - T"
02/24/2019 - T"
02/25/2019 - 3.00"
02/26/2019 - 4.80"
02/27/2019 - 2.20"

03/03/2019 - T"
03/05/2019 - 0.70"
03/09/2019 - 0.30"
03/10/2019 - 6.20" *(most March snow in 1 day I observed)*
03/12/2019 - 0.80"
03/23/2019 - 0.50"
03/27/2019 - 0.50"

No too bad for a weak el niño.

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14 minutes ago, Geos said:

I remember getting about 28" in February of 2019 from the 3rd - 13th and then about 2" in early March.

Well the rain is pretty much here. 

 

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We still have some filtered sun here... but it won't last much longer.  

Its in the low to mid 50s out here while SEA is stuck at 48.    

 

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1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

The power stayed on at my place on Bainbridge all through that event… until the last day when that heavy wet glop that ended up turning to rain fell. Then basically the whole island lost power. I stood outside and could hear large limbs breaking in all directions.

Yeah I remember the sound of the tree branches breaking too. In fact I saw a few that fell while I was outside. 

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Mercer Island, 350 ft

2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21

2020-2021: 15.6"

2019-2020: ~10"

2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5"

2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0"

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5 minutes ago, 1000'NorthBend said:

I always use this cropped real estate photo to place my home (west-adjacent of that little lake) in the context of  Rattlesnake Ledge (rocky outcrop, top right), Rattlesnake Lake (center of photo), and the Cedar River Watershed (background). My neighborhood is so tree-covered, you can hardly make out a single home even though there are 100s. Definitely not on a mountain, just right at the base.
 

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That photo also pairs well with this 1919 photo of the same(ish) area that depicts the extent of logging back in those days. Insane. You can see the Boxley Blowout in the center of the photo that took out an entire town in 1918. I can’t imagine how those deforested slopes handled all that rain. 

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Incredible old photo! Can i ask your source? Ive always been super interested in the logging history of PNW. 

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4 minutes ago, 1000'NorthBend said:

I always use this cropped real estate photo to place my home (west-adjacent of that little lake) in the context of  Rattlesnake Ledge (rocky outcrop, top right), Rattlesnake Lake (center of photo), and the Cedar River Watershed (background). My neighborhood is so tree-covered, you can hardly make out a single home even though there are 100s. Definitely not on a mountain, just right at the base.
 

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That photo also pairs well with this 1919 photo of the same(ish) area that depicts the extent of logging back in those days. Insane. You can see the Boxley Blowout in the center of the photo that took out an entire town in 1918. I can’t imagine how those deforested slopes handled all that rain. 

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Great photos... that 1918 pic is surreal.  

The top photo depicts the elevated valley plateau well.    Which is contrary to the "mountaintop" notion.  😀

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15 minutes ago, rsktkr said:

Very first blip of low-land snow showing up on extended GFS ensembles.

I check the snow variable every single day, 365 days a year, (weird I know) and this is the first one I have seen this season.....very exciting....for me at least.

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I think you speak for all of us. Plus you never know when you'll get that wonderful hope for late/early snow. We had snow here in mid April for about an hour and we appreciated it more being that late. 

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Garfield County/Pomeroy, WA:

2023-2024 Snowfall totals: 14.3 inches

HIghest snow total (per event): 5.8 inches total 1/11/24 - 1/12/24.

Most recent accumulation (non trace): 0.20 inches on 2/26/24

Days with  trace or more snowfall: 12/01/23 (0.60), 1/8/24 (1.0), 1/10/24 (3.5), 1/11/23 (3.5 inches with Thundersnow; separate event from prior day), 1/12/24 (2.30). 1/14/24 (T), 1/17/24 (1.20 inches), 1/18/24 (1.5 inches), 1/19/24 (0.20), 2/09/24 (0.30), 2/26/24 (0.20-mainly graupel)

First Freeze: 10/27/2023

Last Sub freezing Day: 1/20/24 (12th) (8 days in a row from 1/12/24-1/20/24)

Coldest low: -12F (!!!!!!!!) (1/12/24)

Last White Christmas: 2022 at my location (on ground)

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Although I question the dates in that article.   There was not torrential rain in North Bend on 12/23 or 12/24 in 1918.   In fact... it was chilly and dry around that time.   I wonder if it really didn't happen 7-10 days earlier.   Either way... this is not real impressive rain for mid to late December around here.  

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