MossMan Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: Google GM trucks stored in grass fields. Gm has a surplus of trucks sitting in muddy fields waiting for chips. They don't run, they are getting moved with heavy equipment and getting trashed with mud. I guess some of them have been outside waiting since February. I saw that…Just amazingly…Sad. I’m sure the field mice have had a field day with the wiring. Yet I’m sure they will still sell for $70k when they get chips put in finally. 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Looks like we will probably tack on another 2 or 3 inches of rain or so before the month is over. We certainly checked the wet / active November box on the checklist. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Phil said: Gonna have to wait until mid-December at earliest, bro. Believe me I’m looking under every stone for indicators of near term amplification and continental cold. I just can’t find anything right now. We've had a lot of runs from various models showing the Pacific ridge and Aleutian block joining in early December. Certainly possible they are rushing it a tad. I imagine the possible coming MJO wave will give things a kick in the butt. I'm just impatient. I'm well aware that what happens in the early going in no way reflects how a Nina winter will ultimately turn out. I'm still betting we at least get something solid in December though. 2 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: We've all felt like a chump at one time or another my friend. Sadly any and all experiences I've had with investing have left me feeling chumpish. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: Google GM trucks stored in grass fields. Gm has a surplus of trucks sitting in muddy fields waiting for chips. They don't run, they are getting moved with heavy equipment and getting trashed with mud. I guess some of them have been outside waiting since February. It's just amazing how the shock waves from COVID just keep reverberating through the economy. We had better hope and pray we don't have another pandemic anytime soon. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 inches new at property. My brother turned the thermometer so we can see it! 8 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Definitely looking Novembery out there today. Currently 41 and cloudy. .11” so far on the day, 10.73” for the month, 52.92” for the year. 2 1 1 Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, TT-SEA said: Nice morning... and on a weekend! I'm going to enjoy this crisp / dry weekend. 2 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: Good point. It was freezing here for about 8 hours the other night, but nothing to write home about for sure. Some Nina seasons are terrible early on and then go nuts. Kind of an usual autumn out here as well. Especially for La Niña. More of an occluding southern storm track w/ the trough anomaly in the SE and relatively infrequent SW flow. Somewhat reminiscent of both 2006 and 2007 (locally). Also reminds me of 2015, but obviously that’s not a seasonal analog. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 This winter has the feel of lots of activity. Good chance we'll have multiple chances for low elevation snow. 4 1 1 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 The 12Z ECMWF is about as far as you can get from a GOA ridge at 240 hours... great news if you like 50-degree rain for days on end. 2 1 1 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 I’m sure in all likelihood Brian in Leavenworth, Tim, and Andrew are sitting pretty this winter unless we have a +EPO that puts 1999 to shame. And maybe even then. I’d be nervous if I lived in a more borderline area, though. 1 1 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 On the subject of investments. For people looking to diversify you couldn't go wrong with platinum. It's grossly undervalued right now, and has real value if things go sideways down the road. Several years ago I told people who were interested in metals to buy palladium (which I didn't do, but that's for another discussion) and it went from 200 to 3000 an oz. Right now palladium is much higher than platinum which is absurd from a scarcity / metal properties standpoint. A consensus exists that platinum will at least triple over the next few years. Just throwing it out there Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Phil said: I’m sure in all likelihood Brian in Leavenworth, Tim, and Andrew are sitting pretty this winter unless we have a +EPO that puts 1999 to shame. And maybe even then. I’d be nervous if I lived in a more borderline area, though. Phil, there’s never been a PNW winter where us snow freaks that live in borderline areas (almost all of us) aren’t nervous. 8 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: This winter has the feel of lots of activity. Good chance we'll have multiple chances for low elevation snow. I think we have a great shot this time. The recent histrionics we've seen in the weather is typical of La Nina winters that really perform down the road. We also have the Skagit River flood rule in effect. It takes just the right pattern to make that thing seriously flood unlike other rivers that flood much more regularly. That pattern seems to be a precursor to major cold down the road. If it does get seriously cold I'm sure there are people on here who will say it's just a coincidence. The truth is nobody will be able to prove one way or the other whether that's the case or not. I just look for signs, and this is a big one. Then of course there are many other much more traditional indicators this winter will deliver. 2 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blizzard777 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Meatyorologist said: Hiked up Mt. Si this morning, got to the peak around dawn. Absolutely gorgeous and quite cold and snowy up at the top. Started at 40°F and got down to 28°F or so at the peak, with lots of fog along the way (got some ice accretion on my hair near the summit); pretty closely following the moist adiabat, which makes sense given PSCZ mixing and near constant fog along a ~3500’ ascent. That’s on my list in a few weeks hopefully! Did you use crampons near the top? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Deweydog said: Phil, there’s never been a PNW winter where us snow freaks that live in borderline areas (almost all of us) aren’t nervous. There is no question about that. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 20 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: I'm going to enjoy this crisp / dry weekend. It might be dry... but not real crisp. Calm and damp here with very little dewpoint suppression. 2 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Marine Layer Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: The 12Z ECMWF is about as far as you can get from a GOA ridge at 240 hours... great news if you like 50-degree rain for days on end. Jesse. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anti Marine Layer Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, MR.SNOWMIZER said: This winter has the feel of lots of activity. Good chance we'll have multiple chances for low elevation snow. ARs and low elevation snow don't mix. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Deweydog said: Phil, there’s never been a PNW winter where us snow freaks that live in borderline areas (almost all of us) aren’t nervous. Yeah pretty much every winter is like that. snows never fully guaranteed below 1000’ here…even during a La Niña that has all the signs of being great. I think if you added up all the winters with atleast 1” of snow it’d probably be ~70% of them roughly. There’s always good odds it’ll snow but there’s always a chance things will totally bust and we get nothing too. Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: I think we have a great shot this time. The recent histrionics we've seen in the weather is typical of La Nina winters that really perform down the road. We also have the Skagit River flood rule in effect. It takes just the right pattern to make that thing seriously flood unlike other rivers that flood much more regularly. That pattern seems to be a precursor to major cold down the road. If it does get seriously cold I'm sure there are people on here who will say it's just a coincidence. The truth is nobody will be able to prove one way or the other whether that's the case or not. I just look for signs, and this is a big one. Then of course there are many other much more traditional indicators this winter will deliver. Skagit River rule? How many of those floods occurred in the autumn vs the spring? And how many of those years featured analogous mean states and array(s) of pattern forcings with respect to time(of year)? Makes all the difference. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Ironically, having Phil not on board should help lower the anxiety level a bit. If he can absolutely blow January 2018 such as he did, there’s no reason things can’t swing the other way. 5 1 2 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Cottonwoods still clinging to some color here... unusually late. 3 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Deweydog said: Ironically, having Phil not on board should help lower the anxiety level a bit. If he can absolutely blow January 2018 such as he did, there’s no reason things can’t swing the other way. Reverse psychology. I learned it from Tim. 2 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 There’s been some really frustrating stretches of winter weather here from time to time…winters of 14-15 and 15-16 was a bad stretch. Only had 1/2” of snow total here from February 2014 to December 2016. Didn’t even see a single snowflake fall during the winter of 15-16. Things have been much better recently though every winter since 16-17 has delivered…5 years in a row with atleast 1” of snow. only “meh” one was 19-20 with 2” of snow total divided up between 3 separate events locally that all melted pretty quickly after falling. We’re probably due for a 2-3 year stretch of barely anything soon. I think this winter will be decent IMO but eventually the good times will end. 2 1 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said: Cottonwoods still clinging to some color here... unusually late. Jim will be in your neighborhood soon to pick the leaves off the trees to accelerate the winter transition. I’m sure he’s taken care of the Covington area already. 1 1 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, Phil said: I’m sure in all likelihood Brian in Leavenworth, Tim, and Andrew are sitting pretty this winter unless we have a +EPO that puts 1999 to shame. And maybe even then. I’d be nervous if I lived in a more borderline area, though. Nothing to get nervous about here. We never have sub-freezing temps anymore so this is our normal pattern. Not even really thinking that much about cold or snow, which again, almost never occurs in this location. We are simply too far south and rapidly warming and drying. Stuff like 13-14 or 16-17 gets further in the rear view and will eventually be a very distant memory. 2-25-19 was a fluke and will likely not be repeated for a very long time. 1 1 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Just now, TacomaWaWx said: Jim will be in your neighborhood soon to pick the leaves off the trees to accelerate the winter transition. I’m sure he’s taken care of the Covington area already. He might have a tough time with those trees! Going to need a crane. 2 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 The ECMWF still likes the idea of a general frosty night for King County in particular. Temps are shown to go below 40 very early. I think it's picking up on just a trickle of dry air flowing in from the passes. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, TacomaWaWx said: Yeah pretty much every winter is like that. snows never fully guaranteed below 1000’ here…even during a La Niña that has all the signs of being great. I think if you added up all the winters with atleast 1” of snow it’d probably be ~70% of them roughly. There’s always good odds it’ll snow but there’s always a chance things will totally bust and we get nothing too. We almost always get something. There are very few winters with none. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 2 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Interesting being right on the edge of the inversion here in Corvallis. Walked to downtown and there was fog right over the river while the rest of Corvallis is sunny. Didn’t realize that fog was covering pretty much all of valley Linn, Lane, and Douglas counties until I looked at the satellite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacomaWaWx Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said: We almost always get something. There are very few winters with none. We’ve had a couple total bust years but most of the time it works out just fine. Would be nice if we started getting more events in December and January though. Have had 17” in January and 25” in December compared to 61” of snow in February over the last 15 years. February has been so dominant with big time snow events like 2011, 2017, 2019 and 2021…while the only big events for December and January are December 2008 and January 2012. 1 Quote Tacoma WA elevation 300’ Monthly rainfall-3.56” Warm season rainfall-11.14” Max temp-88 +80 highs-2 +85 highs-2 +90 highs-0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaraptor Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 0B344FE4-FAD8-4A6E-90FF-237DF42E50FA.MOV Here’s what it looks like from the ground 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.SNOWMIZER Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Mr Marine Layer said: ARs and low elevation snow don't mix. It's Nov 20th. 3 Quote We come from the land of the ice and snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Phil said: There’s a super nino on that list. 3 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Phil said: Reverse psychology. I learned it from Tim. 2 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerWoodsLibido Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Airport with a misleading number and remains an awful measuring stick for Eugene/Springfield which DID NOT make it to freezing like the numbers will show. This is why it's important to understand that the actual metro area, as opposed to a bunch of farmers' fields in the tiny hamlet of Alvadore, well NW of the city, is always worse than what the airport shows in terms of cold. Last night's low temp was 38F NOT 32F, end of story! 2 2 Quote Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats: Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024) Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024) Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024) Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024) Total snowfall: 0.0" Total ice: 2.25” Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9") Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F) Last White Christmas: 1990 Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0 Personal Stats: Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F) Last White Christmas: 2008 Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0" Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4 Venmo GoFundMe "College Basketball vs Epilepsy": gf.me/u/zk3pj2 My Twitter @CBBjerseys4hope 24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Deweydog said: There’s a super nino on that list. Almost like random patterns produce wildly different analogs in the same season... rendering them basically useless? 1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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