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2 hours ago, snow_wizard said:

I just hate it when it costs us a cold night.  that won't be the case so much for the rest of the week.  In reality the east wind only costs me about 5 freezes a year, but it sucks when it happens.

East wind is a tricky friend to have….it is what it is

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Just now, Jginmartini said:

East wind is a tricky friend to have….it is what it is

Yeah... but now we are in southerly flow which will turn easterly again tomorrow.   Southerly flow is pretty hostile in terms of freezing temps too.   

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1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Yeah... but now we are in southerly flow which will turn easterly again tomorrow.   Southerly flow is pretty hostile in terms of freezing temps too.   

I loved and hated the east wind the 5 years I lived in Troutdale.   It totally destroyed so many snow event for me at the same time prolonged the cold periods while the rest of the PDX area was roasting!   Love hate relationship 

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3 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Well that was perfect timing today! Got home from a long dentist appointment at noon and did a full mow and roof blow off…Finished right when the rain started at 2pm! Love it when a plan comes together! 

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You are all over it! I’ve ignored my yard and been out playing 

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6 minutes ago, Jginmartini said:

East wind is a tricky friend to have….it is what it is

Indeed.  My saying for it here is...less is more.  When it just seeps in it can do great things for us.  The other time it works is if it blasts in for a while and then quits when the moisture arrives.  The most satisfying moment last February was when the easterly breeze held on just enough to keep us below freezing after the snowstorm while places just west of here got to nearly 40 and everything turned to mush.  At that same time we got 2 inches of snow from an Arctic boundary that set up here.  There is often a consolation prize involved with these things.

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5 minutes ago, Jginmartini said:

I loved and hated the east wind the 5 years I lived in Troutdale.   It totally destroyed so many snow event for me at the same time prolonged the cold periods while the rest of the PDX area was roasting!   Love hate relationship 

Yeah... it can definitely get to be too much.  Particularly down there in the Gorge.    Sort of the like the Fraser outflow in Whatcom County.   It would suck to have all your snow blown away.   😀

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7 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Well that was perfect timing today! Got home from a long dentist appointment at noon and did a full mow and roof blow off…Finished right when the rain started at 2pm! Love it when a plan comes together! 

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My roof blow off was done by Mother Nature.  One thing I like about the east wind in the fall.

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Total Hail = 0.0"

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Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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East wind is very rare in this location.

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Springfield, Oregon cold season 21-22 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 40F (Nov 21, 2021)
  • Coldest low: 30F (Nov 17, 2021)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 4 (Most recent: Nov 22, 2021)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 0 (Most recent: Dec 24, 2020)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Last accumulating snowfall: February 27, 2019
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31F) *Longest streak without a sub-freezing high on record*
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

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  • Last accumulating snowfall: February 27, 2019
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 14, 2017 (31)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 20.7"

 

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2 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

So... cottonwoods are pretty now?  Was less than a week ago they were pretty much deemed a shitt tree.

Overall a sh*t tree for fall color.    Decent right now... but still nowhere close to the show other trees around here can put on.

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1 minute ago, TT-SEA said:

Yeah... it can definitely get to be too much.  Particularly down there in the Gorge.    Sort of the like the Fraser outflow in Whatcom County.   It would suck to have all your snow blown away.   😀

The blizzard like conditions I did enjoy but yes….my snow ended up somewhere around I-205 along with my trash cans and anything else not tied down 

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On another note....has anyone noticed the insane amount of fir needles that have fallen this year.  It's just plain ridiculous here.  Two more odd ones is there were almost no garden spiders this year, and the plague of small ants we've had the last several years simply vanished just after the June heatwave.  Kind of an interesting year.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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3 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

So... cottonwoods are pretty now?  Was less than a week ago that they were pretty much deemed a shitt tree.

With them it totally depends on the year.  Some years they turn really nice.  I really grew to appreciate them when I lived in Cle Elum for a couple of years.  Over there they turn brilliant nearly every year.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

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Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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2 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

Could have fooled me, you guys are fawning over it alot right now 🤣🤣🤣

Ehhh... they look decent.   Just something to talk about.   

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16 minutes ago, Jginmartini said:

It’s best that way ….she can be heartless 

She certainly worked out in December 2005.  Dry air flooding in from the east is what made that snowfall work.  I've also talked about January 1, 2004 a few times.

A really interesting situation happened in January 1977 also.  Landsburg and places around here had just the right amount of seepage to make that a much colder month here than pretty much anywhere else in Western WA.  Landsburg had a monthly average of 32 that month, while SEA was just a tad below normal.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

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Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jginmartini said:

It’s best that way ….she can be heartless 

Noooo... I wouldn't want to give up the east wind here.   It frequently brings dry air and sunshine in the cold season and also brings snow.   Its my favorite aspect of the climate here from October-March.    

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9 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

On another note....has anyone noticed the insane amount of fir needles that have fallen this year.  It's just plain ridiculous here.  Two more odd ones is there were almost no garden spiders this year, and the plague of small ants we've had the last several years simply vanished just after the June heatwave.  Kind of an interesting year.

Anything that got burned in the heat wave is probably dropping now if it hasn’t yet

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1 minute ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Meteorological winter begins December 1.

I'm aware, but winter-like weather has shown itself as early as 11/10. In modern times late November has scored a couple times with very real winter weather.

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-Total snowfall since joining: 36.5"

-2018-19: 21"

-2019-20: 2.5"

-2020-21: 13"

-Most recent snowfall: 0.5"; March 15th, 2021

-Largest snowfall (single storm): 8.5"; February 12-13, 2021

-Largest snow depth: 14"; 1:30am February 12th, 2019

Temperatures:

-Warmest: 109F; June 28th, 2021

-Coldest: 14F; November 24th, 2010

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6 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

Noooo... I wouldn't want to give up the east wind here.   It frequently brings dry air and sunshine in the cold season and also brings snow.   Its my favorite aspect of the climate here from October-March.    

It wore me down in Troutdale….. fun at first but as after 5 years it was just to much for me.  Now, SE PDX where I go quite often (just west of I-205) it’s just the right mix of east winds there.  Perfect location for those snow and ice events.  

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Just now, RentonHillTC said:

Maybe he’s just highlighting that they look brilliant relative to typical years. 
 

And to give Jim some credit for predicting they were going to do better this year.   

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1 hour ago, snow_wizard said:

1937-38 through 1945-46 was horrendous.  The only thing worth a D**n in there was January 1943.

As for your second point....as long as we get a good snow going into the cold.

1938 had a big flood with the Santa Ana River and washed out the bridge to West Riverside. My grandfather was living there at the time and saved two pieces of the bridge. 

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46 minutes ago, GHweatherChris said:

So... cottonwoods are pretty now?  Was less than a week ago that they were pretty much deemed a shitt tree.

They are a "shitt tree." Mine never turn until mid November and that is just an ugly brown.

The other crap that falls from them during the Spring and early Summer, not to mention the large branches that fall during the heat of Summer, I want them all gone

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51 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

On another note....has anyone noticed the insane amount of fir needles that have fallen this year.  It's just plain ridiculous here.  Two more odd ones is there were almost no garden spiders this year, and the plague of small ants we've had the last several years simply vanished just after the June heatwave.  Kind of an interesting year.

A lot of needles were singed in the heat. Became very noticeable on the hemlocks and fir trees. Large streaks of dead brown needles that are ripe to fly off as we head into winter.

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58 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

I'm aware, but winter-like weather has shown itself as early as 11/10. In modern times late November has scored a couple times with very real winter weather.

No doubt about that whatsoever.  1896, 1955, and 1985 were as real as it gets.  A number of other ones have had much shorter, but sharp events as well.

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Total Hail = 0.0"

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18 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

A lot of needles were singed in the heat. Became very noticeable on the hemlocks and fir trees. Large streaks of dead brown needles that are ripe to fly off as we head into winter.

Yeah....I have a literal carpet of them on the ground already.

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Total Hail = 0.0"

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26 minutes ago, jakeinthevalley said:

They are a "shitt tree." Mine never turn until mid November and that is just an ugly brown.

The other crap that falls from them during the Spring and early Summer, not to mention the large branches that fall during the heat of Summer, I want them all gone

They are really nice up here this year.  Only a couple of times I've seen them like this on the West Side.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

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Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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2 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

Yeah....I have a literal carpet of them on the ground already.

Same here. We've been trying to landscape in an area that is under three very large fir trees and it's been a total PITA. Clear out the layer of pine needles, do some planting and mulching and whatever, then you come back out the next day and there is another fresh full layer of pine needles to clear all over again. Don't remember it being this bad last year. 

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1 hour ago, Jginmartini said:

It wore me down in Troutdale….. fun at first but as after 5 years it was just to much for me.  Now, SE PDX where I go quite often (just west of I-205) it’s just the right mix of east winds there.  Perfect location for those snow and ice events.  

I think Troutdale would be too much for me too.  They can get some epic ice storms, but I'm not a fan of those.  I can only imagine what that place was like in January 1862 though.  That would have been something to see!  Vancouver was incredible enough with their 21 degree monthly average temp.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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31 minutes ago, jakeinthevalley said:

They are a "shitt tree." Mine never turn until mid November and that is just an ugly brown.

The other crap that falls from them during the Spring and early Summer, not to mention the large branches that fall during the heat of Summer, I want them all gone

The worst allergies ever come from those trees.

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2 minutes ago, LowerGarfield said:

The worst allergies ever come from those trees.

One interesting fact I found out about cottonwoods is they use the cellulose from the trees to make some of the finest paper available.  I didn't realize they had some commercial value until then.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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I agree with others we've also had an insane amount of fir/pine needles. I have raked and swept up over a dozen piles of them from just one tree and there are more. We also have had a total lack of garden spiders I've seen two and usually in September-October we have to contend with a dozen or more. I guess that's from the heatwave then. Oh and east winds. Yeah. Without east winds PDX simply would have few and very brief snow events. I love my east winds.

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58 minutes ago, ShawniganLake said:

Cold and wet today. 44/32 with 0.36” of rain

I won't even tell you what mine was.  Just a complete shitt show with that stupid wind last night.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

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Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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5 minutes ago, DJ Droppin said:

I agree with others we've also had an insane amount of fir/pine needles. I have raked and swept up over a dozen piles of them from just one tree and there are more. We also have had a total lack of garden spiders I've seen two and usually in September-October we have to contend with a dozen or more. I guess that's from the heatwave then. Oh and east winds. Yeah. Without east winds PDX simply would have few and very brief snow events. I love my east winds.

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It's a bit of a different thing down there.  Up here it has more of a down sloping aspect to it.  Under the right conditions though it can have the same effect as Portland.

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Total Snowfall = 0.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0

Total Hail = 0.0"

Coldest Low = 29

Lows 32 or below = 6

Highs 32 or below = 0

Lows 20 or below = 0

Highs 40 or below = 0

 

 

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6 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

I won't even tell you what mine was.  Just a complete shitt show with that stupid wind last night.

So into stats that you cheer for cold rain... and yet you want to move because of too much cold rain here.  Quite the conflict.   😀

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13 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

One interesting fact I found out about cottonwoods is they use the cellulose from the trees to make some of the finest paper available.  I didn't realize they had some commercial value until then.

Same reason they have been genetically modified and raised on plantations. They grow fast and are easily replenished.

Downside is they require a lot of water and have not yet become economically viable.

There was a plantation just off I84 in eastern oregon that was harvested but has since been plowed under

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My theory with the cottonwood and I can be completely bullshiiit here because I know absolutely nothing about trees but due to the extreme this pass June  + several more warm spells + long duration of dryness caused these trees to go into hyperdrive in order to survive so they have to draw more moisture up from the ground than usual. Couple then with the fact we then have extremely wet/cool month kinda help these trees color up nicely in the fall. Enough sunshine then wet/cool. The cool part seems to be the biggest factor though. 
 

and yes, the cottonwoods do actually look decent this year compare to previous.

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8 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

It's a bit of a different thing down there.  Up here it has more of a down sloping aspect to it.  Under the right conditions though it can have the same effect as Portland.

Yeah... that is probably why I love the east wind here.   Down there it's stronger and colder.   It often helps up here when it counts for snow though.

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I can’t imagine living in some of the spots in the western gorge. There are quite a few residences up in the Cape Horn area that can easily see 50+ mph gusts for 7-10 day stretches once any kind of cold pool becomes established. Some years are worse than others but that would take a lot of getting used to.

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