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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

They've never been common. 

Is it common to go 5+ years between them?

Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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2 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

So is it just incredibly bad luck?

I wouldn’t say incredibly…

It became very apparent once we got within 96 hours or so that this was going to be a very north/south oriented event with very little east/west component. It’d be one thing if the big picture were more favorable and happenstance led to a ridiculous underperformance.

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Just now, Deweydog said:

Prior to 2013-14, 2013-14 hadn’t happened yet.

Ok so different question, were backdoor-type airmasses more common before then? Was there ever a 5+ year stretch between them on record?

Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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Just now, Deweydog said:

Prior to 2013-14, 2013-14 hadn’t happened yet.

I can't think of any winter I have lived through that had two essentially top tier (At the surface) events like that. 

As for this current "event," it ended up being incredibly impressive from Tacoma-north, the Columbia Basin, NE Oregon, and I think Western Oregon overachieved on snowfall to an incredible extent. Sure we didn't see the bitterly cold temps, but given the pattern that verified we probably did about as well as we could have. 

Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

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3 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

Ok so different question, were backdoor-type airmasses more common before then? Was there ever a 5+ year stretch between them on record?

Not really. Things tend to randomize.

The valley did really well for snowfall/cold during the 2013-18 period and since then areas to the north and reestablished a more long term dominance. Ebb and flow in what is a slowly warming climate. 

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The retrogression signal is showing up on almost every long term ensemble mean... Remember, no whining if the next BLAST is DRY. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I can't think of any winter I have lived through that had two essentially top tier (At the surface) events like that. 

As for this current "event," it ended up being incredibly impressive from Tacoma-north, the Columbia Basin, NE Oregon, and I think Western Oregon overachieved on snowfall to an incredible extent. Sure we didn't see the bitterly cold temps, but given the pattern that verified we probably did about as well as we could have. 

We have done fantastic for snow here since 2012. No issue there. Just seems the bitter cold (by our standards) has been lacking for a while.

Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I can't think of any winter I have lived through that had two essentially top tier (At the surface) events like that. 

As for this current "event," it ended up being incredibly impressive from Tacoma-north, the Columbia Basin, NE Oregon, and I think Western Oregon overachieved on snowfall to an incredible extent. Sure we didn't see the bitterly cold temps, but given the pattern that verified we probably did about as well as we could have. 

The onshore flow aspect of this was extremely impressive. Probably the coldest since at least January 2007. 

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Just now, TigerWoodsLibido said:

We have done fantastic for snow here since 2012. No issue there. Just seems the bitter cold (by our standards) has been lacking for a while.

Dewey makes a good point. Historically the Puget Sound north, has seen much more cold/snow than the Willamette Valley, a lot of that is by virtue of latitude, we did really well comparatively for a few winters, but long term when things average out, you will get more snow/cold living in Bellingham than living in Eugene. 

November 2010, February 2011, January 2012 were all much more impressive Puget Sound-north, some of those events impacted PDX and the Willamette Valley, but were more muted down this way due to the fact of our more southern latitude and the penetration of the cold. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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1 minute ago, Deweydog said:

The onshore flow aspect of this was extremely impressive. Probably the coldest since at least January 2007. 

I never dreamed we could see 10" of snow all in onshore flow. Very impressive absolutely.

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Springfield, Oregon regular season 2023-24 Stats:

  • Coldest high: 25F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Coldest low: 20F (Jan 14, 2024)
  • Days with below freezing temps: 24 (Most recent: Mar 8, 2024)
  • Days with sub-40F highs: 4 (Most recent: Jan 16, 2024)
  • Total snowfall: 0.0"
  • Total ice: 2.25”
  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021 (1.9")
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 15, 2024 (27F)
  • Last White Christmas: 1990
  • Significant wind events (gusts 45+): 0

Personal Stats:

  • Last accumulating snowfall on roads: Dec 27, 2021
  • Last sub-freezing high: Jan 16, 2024 (32F)
  • Last White Christmas: 2008
  • Total snowfall since joining TheWeatherForums: 42.0"
  • Sub-freezing highs since joining TheWeatherForums: 4

 

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2 minutes ago, Bryant said:

Can tell tonight's system is looking like a no go just from the lack of snowfall maps being posted lol

The GFS shifted the anafront action south quite a bit. 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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28 minutes ago, Brennan said:

A little disappointed we’re not coming out of this arctic blast with an overrunning event. From a 6* low to a transition to maritime air with no snowflakes isn’t that common here. The 90s were full of overrunning events. 

That's about the only disappointing thing about this event for your area though.  This was a great one from about Tacoma north.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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6 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Dewey makes a good point. Historically the Puget Sound north, has seen much more cold/snow than the Willamette Valley, a lot of that is by virtue of latitude, we did really well comparatively for a few winters, but long term when things average out, you will get more snow/cold living in Bellingham than living in Eugene. 

November 2010, February 2011, January 2012 were all much more impressive Puget Sound-north, some of those events impacted PDX and the Willamette Valley, but were more muted down this way due to the fact of our more southern latitude and the penetration of the cold. 

I would also add that it's only a matter of time before Eugene sees some serious Arctic air sweep in.  The days of that happening are not over.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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15 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

We have done fantastic for snow here since 2012. No issue there. Just seems the bitter cold (by our standards) has been lacking for a while.

Bitter cold there is dependent on pretty simple mechanisms… Heavy gorge influence to introduce cold, dry northerly winds in the valley and, for best results, snow cover. See December 2013. There is absolutely no evidence a repeat of that is any less possible now compared to then.

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2 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

Just depends on the year. In some years they're much more common. 1948-49 or 1978-79 for example.

No doubt.  I would even argue that some decades have a lot more Arctic air invasions than others.  The 1930s, 1950s, and 1980s had good numbers.

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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10 minutes ago, Bryant said:

Can tell tonight's system is looking like a no go just from the lack of snowfall maps being posted lol

I don't think tonight was ever really a thing.  Maybe up there, but I'm not even sure about that.

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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Snowfall                                  Precip

2022-23: 95.0"                      2022-23: 17.39"

2021-22: 52.6"                    2021-22: 91.46" 

2020-21: 12.0"                    2020-21: 71.59"

2019-20: 23.5"                   2019-20: 58.54"

2018-19: 63.5"                   2018-19: 66.33"

2017-18: 30.3"                   2017-18: 59.83"

2016-17: 49.2"                   2016-17: 97.58"

2015-16: 11.75"                 2015-16: 68.67"

2014-15: 3.5"
2013-14: 11.75"                  2013-14: 62.30
2012-13: 16.75"                 2012-13: 78.45  

2011-12: 98.5"                   2011-12: 92.67"

It's always sunny at Winters Hill! 
Fighting the good fight against weather evil.

 

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19 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

The retrogression signal is showing up on almost every long term ensemble mean... Remember, no whining if the next BLAST is DRY. 

A dry blast wouldn't be as bad now that we've had some decent snow, but it's always nice going into a cold wave with snow on the ground.

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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Just now, snow_wizard said:

No doubt.  I would even argue that some decades have a lot more Arctic air invasions than others.  The 1930s, 1950s, and 1980s had good numbers.

1919-1930 in particular had a huge number of deep, regional arctic events.  Many of them (December 1919, January 1922, New Years 1924, December 1926, January 1927, January 1930) were more backdoor in nature and really favored southern areas for snow and cold. 

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20 minutes ago, FroYoBro said:

2022 is cold!

One day down 364 to go!

Death To Warm Anomalies!

 

Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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3 minutes ago, snow_wizard said:

One day down 364 to go!

Maybe Yellowstone will blow and we'll get a year long winter!

Oh well, actually I guess we'd all be dead.

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Home Weather Station Stats for 2023

High - Satans Bunghole

Lowest High - Not sure

Low - I don't have the data

Sub 40 highs - Not quite

Sub-freezing highs - Try again

Lows below 25 - You're joking

Lows below 20 - No

2023 Snowfall - LOL

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6 minutes ago, BLI snowman said:

1919-1930 in particular had a huge number of deep, regional arctic events.  Many of them (December 1919, January 1922, New Years 1924, December 1926, January 1927, January 1930) were more backdoor in nature and really favored southern areas for snow and cold. 

Very true, but January 1922 was pretty good up here too.  Then of course you had Feb 1923, Dec 1924, Dec 1927, and Jan /Feb 1929.  Great period!

As I've mentioned so many times 1921-22 and 1922-23 was a simply awesome pair of winters for the NW.  So many different blasts in all parts of the winter between the two.  Maybe an encore performance exactly 100 years later?

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Winter 2023-24 stats

 

Total Snowfall = 1.0"

Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1

Total Hail = 0.0

Total Ice = 0.2

Coldest Low = 13

Lows 32 or below = 45

Highs 32 or below = 3

Lows 20 or below = 3

Highs 40 or below = 9

 

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8 minutes ago, jakerepp said:

Maybe Yellowstone will blow and we'll get a year long winter!

Oh well, actually I guess we'd all be dead.

What would we do then without Beth Dutton saying all those encouraging words of encouragement to us in 2022?

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2 hours ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

I had no idea either when we first bought our house.  Nor did I know about blowing out sprinklers in the fall.

There was a Seattle or Western Wa based architect who designed a few homes in a new development here and had no idea about snow slides or guards. So the snow slid from different parts of the roof to a place between the two roof lines and it was a disaster as all the snow slid there and there was no place for it to go.  Obvious to local roofers that the architect had no clue and didn't ask locals about the snow here.

Sounds about right for architects

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6 minutes ago, MossMan said:

31.8. 

When were you last above freezing? Early Christmas afternoon or something?

Home Weather Station Stats for 2023

High - Satans Bunghole

Lowest High - Not sure

Low - I don't have the data

Sub 40 highs - Not quite

Sub-freezing highs - Try again

Lows below 25 - You're joking

Lows below 20 - No

2023 Snowfall - LOL

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5 minutes ago, Prairiedog said:

My in laws bought a house in Goodyear in March last year and then my brother in law just bought his own place in October and will be moved in around spring training time.

I'm looking forward to getting down there again after missing in 2021.

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Home Weather Station Stats for 2023

High - Satans Bunghole

Lowest High - Not sure

Low - I don't have the data

Sub 40 highs - Not quite

Sub-freezing highs - Try again

Lows below 25 - You're joking

Lows below 20 - No

2023 Snowfall - LOL

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Well had to do some more digging since the drippage was in fact not slowing down, had to pop out a section of drywall up in the garage storage space to gain access to that back portion of the house roof. Found two things, first was the bathroom fan duct work that goes to the MIL bathroom fan had popped off which was pumping warm air into that section of attic space, that is why there was so much ice damming going on there. I also found the area that is leaking. Did a MossMan rigging job with plastic and a plastic tote to catch the water until we can get a roofer out. Ceiling and wall drywall will most likely need to be replaced in that area of the hallway/closet area. Fun!! 

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Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! 

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