PNW January 2022, Contact Info for Phil

[BLI snowman]

8 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

Weather Radar has existed for quite a while but we haven't started archiving a lot of things until more recently. 

The first weather radar was used in WWII and the NWS rolled out the first national network of radar stations in 1959.

Of course the imagery from back then looked like Kevin Martin's stuff, but it was still a major step.

[The Blob]

2 hours ago, jakerepp said:

Set up booby traps!

Fill empty shipping packages with garbage.

[The Blob]

45 minutes ago, MossMan said:

Call me sick and twisted but I enjoyed last summers heatwave. I would not have so much if we did not have A/C. (Geothermal system) if we didn’t we would have just stayed at the family lake house since the basement there never gets above the upper 60’s no matter how hot it gets outside. Plus you could just jump in the lake to cool off. 
 

For the most part though a perfect summer for me would be upper 70’s/low 80’s with a good soaking rain one night a week. 

I loved the heat wave too, mostly because it felt like home to me. We had 3 window units that kept the place we were living at pretty cool. I do plan on getting bids for ac in our new home, mostly because of PDX having 60°+ nighttime lows.

[Deweydog]

Five years ago right now it was cloudy and 37 degrees.

[Timmy Supercell]

4 minutes ago, Deweydog said:

Five years ago right now it was cloudy and 37 degrees.

And, major snowstorm unfolding

[TT-SEA]

I can handle a few days in the 90s but much prefer 70s and 80s.   

And I get the extreme event weather perspective on the June heat wave... but watching the trees get scorched was pretty brutal.    I always want extreme events to end quickly.  I don't really like flooding... or being buried alive in snow... or destructive windstorms... or extreme heat.    I am wimp.  

[TigerWoodsLibido]

29 minutes ago, Snownerd3000 said:

Since models are showing another cold/potentially snowy outlook, and this thread is now 108 pages long, should our next thread title be "The Winter Taint" since we'll between cold/snowy times?

Don't forget to tip your waitress, I'll be here until I'm banned.

If I’ve not been banned for the sex jokes I’ve made then you’re good.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Food for thot.

[Frontal Snowsquall]

3 hours ago, Hawksfan2008 said:

Hope from the EPS control after the 20th 

January 25 Hmmm.....

'The big, white flakes started dropping about 5:40 a.m. on Jan. 25, 1969, and they didn’t stop falling, and sticking, until about 3:30 a.m. on Jan. 27.

Seventy hours of nonstop snow, shattering every record in the book. If this were Alaska, the Yukon or even Spokane, this month, that would be normal winter weather. But here, in the Willamette Valley, at 420 feet above sea level, where an inch of snow can close schools and cause chaos, 3 feet of snow not only isn’t normal, it’s downright weird. Something that happens maybe once a century.

After a late December snowstorm and deep freeze in 1968, temperatures in Lane County warmed to 43 degrees as the new year dawned. The front-page headline on Jan. 1, 1969, in The Register-Guard was, “Ah ...! Our Kind of Winter Returns to Emerald Empire.”

But the December storm, the worst winter storm in many years, “will be remembered,” the paper said.

Actually, what would be remembered was still more than three weeks away.

“You gotta get down here,” Alltucker remembers one of his foremen saying from the company’s plant at the north end of Delta Highway.

Why?

“There’s 4 feet of snow here!”

The foreman was exaggerating, of course, but by the time it was all over, 37.9 inches would fall in three days, and almost 4 feet, a one-month record of 47.1 inches, would fall that January. That is more snow than fell in Lane County (43.2 inches) during the entire 1980s, according to the Western Regional Climate Center, and way more than what fell during the 1990s (31.1 inches).

More than half the snow that fell here in the 1960s, the snowiest decade in Lane County history with 87.6 inches, fell in January 1969. And most of that came during those record-setting three days of Jan. 25, 26 and 27. Even Florence Florence! got 14 inches over the course of the blizzard. In the first 24 hours of the snowstorm, Eugene-Springfield got 22.9 inches.'

http://special.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/5675242-35/story.csp

[LowerGarfield]

2 minutes ago, TT-SEA said:

I can handle a few days in the 90s but much prefer 70s and 80s.   

And I get the extreme event weather perspective on the June heat wave... but watching the trees get scorched was pretty brutal.    I always want extreme events to end quickly... I don't really like flooding... or being buried alive in snow... or destructive windstorms... or extreme heat.    I am wimp.  

That's how I feel.

[RentonHill]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Food for thot.

I much prefer @GHweatherChris food 

[gusky]

53 minutes ago, Brian_in_Leavenworth said:

I think Cliff is trying to counter the media hysteria over every event being caused by climate change.  And people will stop paying attention to real science when there is so much junk science in the media.

What may have got his attention years ago was a claim about how mountain snow pack had gone down dramatically, but what really happened was that the first year they started keeping track was one of the all time snowiest years, if not the snowiest.  So of course the trend was downward.  Wasn't a conspiracy, just an unfortunate year to start keeping stats 

But the media screamed over and over that snowpack was decreasing dramatically when it really wasn't.  Bad science journalism.

So many more examples.  Like Covid, there are all sorts of examples of media hysteria, but that can obscure the truth, which still shows how serious covid is, but bad science and bad journalism can obscure that.

Just like the tree the UW got from Florida that died because they did not water it in Summer, and of course Florida gets a lot of precipitation in the Summer.  That's why the tree died, not just according to Cliff, but from an arborist from Florida, who said the tree cannot survive in the PNW without being watered in the Summer.  Despite that the Sunday Seattle Times had a front page screaming headline blaming climate change.  More bad science journalism.

So many more examples, and his POV is that this is like the boy who cried wolf.  Nobody believed him after awhile, even when he was telling the truth.

He has spoken out about this and has paid a significant personal price for it.  Death threats galore, losing a job as a radio host, hate mail, etc.  

I agree with all of that. Another example is last summer's "HEAT DOME!" in which he criticized a rapid climate change attribution study for having a title that completely misrepresented the content of the study, and for dramatically overplaying the data provided in the article itself.
 

I've heard many people try to justify such dramatic media misinformation by claiming that it helps bring much needed attention to the issue of climate change, but this just isn't true. Misinformation is ALWAYS bad, regardless of whether it's about vaccines, politics, or climate change. It will always obscure the truth, which we need in order to actually go about solving the issue.

So, I think his frustration with the media misrepresenting/altering climate science is justified, but my issue with his blogs is more in the presentation of his opinions. He seems to get very provoked and aggressive, which damages the validity of the points he makes. He singles out reporters, uses provocative images (I seem to remember a big red button with "false" or "lies" on it) and just utilizes unnecessarily negative/emotional wording.

I think that this has more to do with what has gotten him fired than his scientific stance regarding climate change. Remember when he compared recent protests-turned-riots to Nazi marches (keep in mind he is Jewish)?

Good science, bad emotional/ego control.

[Timmy Supercell]

A tweet 5 years ago.

[Cascadia_Wx]

6 hours ago, 1000'NorthBend said:

 

"For 2021, the average contiguous U.S. temperature was 54.5 degrees F, 2.5 degrees above the 20th-century average and ranked as the fourth-warmest year in the 127-year period of record. The six warmest years on record have all occurred since 2012."

 

Crazy I was expecting to see just one spot of bright red 5 miles ESE of EUG with the rest of the map solid blue except for a big pink/purple blob over Covington.

[Timmy Supercell]

17 minutes ago, Frontal Snowsquall said:

January 25 Hmmm.....

'The big, white flakes started dropping about 5:40 a.m. on Jan. 25, 1969, and they didn’t stop falling, and sticking, until about 3:30 a.m. on Jan. 27.

Seventy hours of nonstop snow, shattering every record in the book. If this were Alaska, the Yukon or even Spokane, this month, that would be normal winter weather. But here, in the Willamette Valley, at 420 feet above sea level, where an inch of snow can close schools and cause chaos, 3 feet of snow not only isn’t normal, it’s downright weird. Something that happens maybe once a century.

After a late December snowstorm and deep freeze in 1968, temperatures in Lane County warmed to 43 degrees as the new year dawned. The front-page headline on Jan. 1, 1969, in The Register-Guard was, “Ah ...! Our Kind of Winter Returns to Emerald Empire.”

But the December storm, the worst winter storm in many years, “will be remembered,” the paper said.

Actually, what would be remembered was still more than three weeks away.

“You gotta get down here,” Alltucker remembers one of his foremen saying from the company’s plant at the north end of Delta Highway.

Why?

“There’s 4 feet of snow here!”

The foreman was exaggerating, of course, but by the time it was all over, 37.9 inches would fall in three days, and almost 4 feet, a one-month record of 47.1 inches, would fall that January. That is more snow than fell in Lane County (43.2 inches) during the entire 1980s, according to the Western Regional Climate Center, and way more than what fell during the 1990s (31.1 inches).

More than half the snow that fell here in the 1960s, the snowiest decade in Lane County history with 87.6 inches, fell in January 1969. And most of that came during those record-setting three days of Jan. 25, 26 and 27. Even Florence Florence! got 14 inches over the course of the blizzard. In the first 24 hours of the snowstorm, Eugene-Springfield got 22.9 inches.'

http://special.registerguard.com/csp/cms/sites/web/news/5675242-35/story.csp

There weren't too many times I've experienced 3 days straight snow falling in Klamath. That's pretty good for even inland parts of the northwest.

I'd actually venture that kind of moisture should be more possible west of the cascades due to lack of shadowing. 

[Clancy MT DW9972]

1 hour ago, TacomaWaWx said:

I get this take…I just like cooler wetter summers because even in a cool wet summer sunny warm days still tend to outnumber cool rainy ones 5-1 atleast. It’s just a matter of getting weather variety. I also just like warm rain in the summertime. Everyone’s allowed their own personal preference my perfect summer is 2019 with quite a few convective events and decent rainstorms. There was still plenty of sunny warm days that whole warm season.

2019 for the win!  In my area "southwestern" Montana, we got hit multiple times with several feet of snow from each storm and it barely melted until mid March.  That snow had at least a 4 to 5" inch water content.  April thru mid July brought us several severe thunderstorms which dropped over 1" of rain within ten minutes at least 2 times.  The second half of July was fairly dry, until the second week of August, and yet again we got hit with a few more severe thunderstorms that dropped 1"inch + as well.  September was insanely wet with us getting well over 3" inch of rain. October thru November brought us above normal precip.  However December was bone dry and nothing to write home about.  I loved 2019 because It has most definitely been the most active, wettest, snowiest year I can remember.  2020 and 2021 didn't even have a single memorable event.

[Cascadia_Wx]

45/34 day here had a band of rain this morning but otherwise mostly cloudy

Looks like the last cool/average day for at least the next several. Wednesday is looking very warm now, could approach 60 in spots.

[MossMan]

1 hour ago, SouthHillFrosty said:

Noice 

 

Hopefully Matt starts feeling it soon because…

ITS COMING! 

[Cascadia_Wx]

Yesterday was beautiful btw lots of sun east winds and a 51/29 temp spread checked out the new Chehalem Hills park east of Forest Grove great views of the Cascades and Coast range up there

[SilverFallsAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Cascadia_Wx said:

Yesterday was beautiful btw lots of sun east winds and a 51/29 temp spread checked out the new Chehalem Hills park east of Forest Grove great views of the Cascades and Coast range up there

Yesterday was outstanding. 

[Phil]

52 minutes ago, Meatyorologist said:

Believe it or not, I am kind of ready for some summery weather. It's a bit earlier than usual this year, likely set on by December's great cold/snow event.

Usually by March I am ready for 70s/80s and mostly sunny skies.

In recent years that "craving" has been satisfied by mid-May, so my pluvio-affinity has perhaps been artificially removed before the big season's arrival, compared to older, more "normal" Seattle summers.

Don't get me wrong, though, I want the hammer to drop from the north even more. Just wouldn't mind that mid Spring radiance from the sun

I’d be happy if summer never came back. Ever.

Useless season IMO.

[Phil]

38 minutes ago, Chris said:

I check the PV every few days and have been disappointed every time this season.

Me too.  

[Timmy Supercell]

2 minutes ago, Phil said:

I’d be happy if summer never came back. Ever.

Useless season.

I just love it, and the friends it comes with. 

[Phil]

27 minutes ago, gusky said:

I agree with all of that. Another example is last summer's "HEAT DOME!" in which he criticized a rapid climate change attribution study for having a title that completely misrepresented the content of the study, and for dramatically overplaying the data provided in the article itself.
 

I've heard many people try to justify such dramatic media misinformation by claiming that it helps bring much needed attention to the issue of climate change, but this just isn't true. Misinformation is ALWAYS bad, regardless of whether it's about vaccines, politics, or climate change. It will always obscure the truth, which we need in order to actually go about solving the issue.

So, I think his frustration with the media misrepresenting/altering climate science is justified, but my issue with his blogs is more in the presentation of his opinions. He seems to get very provoked and aggressive, which damages the validity of the points he makes. He singles out reporters, uses provocative images (I seem to remember a big red button with "false" or "lies" on it) and just utilizes unnecessarily negative/emotional wording.

I think that this has more to do with what has gotten him fired than his scientific stance regarding climate change. Remember when he compared recent protests-turned-riots to Nazi marches (keep in mind he is Jewish)?

Good science, bad emotional/ego control.

Warm climate periods (including the MWP) are associated with a net poleward shift in the Hadley Cell descending branch, broad subtropical highs, etc. So ironically, the growth of the 4CH can be legitimately connected to climate change.

Of course there’s the chicken/egg aspect, since there is a lot of natural variability as well. 

[TT-SEA]

8 minutes ago, Phil said:

I’d be happy if summer never came back. Ever.

Useless season IMO.

Our summers here in the Seattle area are exactly like your summers in DC.    So... of course we all agree with you.  We suffer through months of 80+ degree dewpoints here in the PNW.     You have commented on how horrific our summers are during your trips to the Everett area in July. 

Side note... its a useless season that just happens to provide us all of our food.   Minor detail.   

[Phil]

2 minutes ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

I just love it, and the friends it comes with. 

Bruh you’re gonna be shocked by the volume of insects out here. Mid-July to mid-September it’s a 24/7 screaming orgy of crickets, katydids, and cicadas.

Oh, and the skeeters that will find their way into your bedroom just as you turn out the light. Make sure you have off deep woods on ur nightstand.  

[Phil]

@Timmy_Supercell If you don’t believe me:

 

[Snownerd3000]

43 minutes ago, TigerWoodsLibido said:

If I’ve not been banned for the sex jokes I’ve made then you’re good.

 

[Timmy Supercell]

I think Phil would like some of the normal summers in K-Falls. DP's typically won't go over 50 unless you're in a good environment for t'storms it would hit 60 in late July. 

It's possible to have less than a dozen days reach 90 degrees. That happened twice I think when I was there. 2021 having 52 of them was just an oddity. 

[Timmy Supercell]

6 minutes ago, Phil said:

@Timmy_Supercell If you don’t believe me:

 

That's awesome. I actually like Cicadas. Saw a few youtube videos taken here in Ashland a little bit before a storm hit, it wasn't quite that loud. But we'll see.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, gusky said:

I agree with all of that. Another example is last summer's "HEAT DOME!" in which he criticized a rapid climate change attribution study for having a title that completely misrepresented the content of the study, and for dramatically overplaying the data provided in the article itself.
 

I've heard many people try to justify such dramatic media misinformation by claiming that it helps bring much needed attention to the issue of climate change, but this just isn't true. Misinformation is ALWAYS bad, regardless of whether it's about vaccines, politics, or climate change. It will always obscure the truth, which we need in order to actually go about solving the issue.

So, I think his frustration with the media misrepresenting/altering climate science is justified, but my issue with his blogs is more in the presentation of his opinions. He seems to get very provoked and aggressive, which damages the validity of the points he makes. He singles out reporters, uses provocative images (I seem to remember a big red button with "false" or "lies" on it) and just utilizes unnecessarily negative/emotional wording.

I think that this has more to do with what has gotten him fired than his scientific stance regarding climate change. Remember when he compared recent protests-turned-riots to Nazi marches (keep in mind he is Jewish)?

Good science, bad emotional/ego control.

I heard several people in radio and TV interviews here state that the tragic fires late last month that burned 1000+ homes were a direct result of climate change.

It's lazy and shows no critical thought. But climate change is now the default "reason" for pretty much any major weather event/disaster.

[Front Ranger]

1 hour ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

A tweet 5 years ago.

The one time they should have gone all in...

[gusky]

A while ago I said one of my family's cars got stolen... it was just found. It doesn't have bullet holes like we thought it might (it was spotted in an armed robbery of a catalytic converter), but it did have a bloody machete in the back. Not sure how I feel about that.

[Phil]

384hr 18z GFS is bonkers.  

[Thunder98]

1 hour ago, Timmy_Supercell said:

I just love it, and the friends it comes with. 

You should name it Jesse!

[MossMan]

And we did! 
The January 2020 miracle! 

[GHweatherChris]

2 hours ago, RentonHillTC said:

I much prefer @GHweatherChris food 

Aww, making me blush!!

[Phil]

 

[GHweatherChris]

Took a break from looking at the models the last few days, and look tonight and another 4" of rain could be on the way, eff that. Steaming pile of  the models are.

[Skagit Weather]

3 hours ago, MossMan said:

Call me sick and twisted but I enjoyed last summers heatwave. I would not have so much if we did not have A/C. (Geothermal system) if we didn’t we would have just stayed at the family lake house since the basement there never gets above the upper 60’s no matter how hot it gets outside. Plus you could just jump in the lake to cool off. 
 

For the most part though a perfect summer for me would be upper 70’s/low 80’s with a good soaking rain one night a week. 

Yeah, I loved the weather last summer. I mean I guess the weather objectively would have been better without the heatwave because it was damaging in so many places, but the weather the rest of the summer was incredible. No A/C here, but the natural A/C of water proximity does all we need. Basically all of the last summers have been gorgeous in my mind after 2011 and 2012.

In 2011 we only got above 80F here once (in September actually) and most days it felt like the marine layer never burned off. Most days were below 70F. 2012 was better with 4 days above 80F, but still had a lot of clouds. I love exploring the mountains and getting off into the backcountry during the summer and it's a lot harder if you're always dealing with clouds and cold temperatures even in July/August.

I would agree heartily with your definition of a perfect summer.