2022-2023 California and Southwest Weather Thread

[Anti Marine Layer]

Fire in the Sierras is not looking good.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Here comes the fog again. This wasn’t the norm when I was a kid. Then again, this is the third straight year under a La Niña type pattern.

It’s funny how they all seemed to unfold the same way — a comparatively light May/June gloom season and then July hits, and WHAM: troughing sets in and SSTs plummet.

[Thunder98]

44 minutes ago, Pn1ct0g3n said:

Here comes the fog again. This wasn’t the norm when I was a kid. Then again, this is the third straight year under a La Niña type pattern.

It’s funny how they all seemed to unfold the same way — a comparatively light May/June gloom season and then July hits, and WHAM: troughing sets in and SSTs plummet.

I want to see El Nino again

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Yeah. A little variety now and then is something, and the marine life appreciates the cool down. Kelp forests should be recovering if this keeps up.

But I miss 2015…

[Dan the Weatherman]

2 hours ago, Thunder98 said:

I want to see El Nino again

I want to see El Nino return again, too, but I would also like to see the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO) finally flip back into its cool phase, as it has been in its warm phase since 1995. I believe the warm phase of the AMO is one of the major factors driving the recent drought in much of the western half of the country.

Edited July 10, 2022 by Dan the Weatherman

[Pn1ct0g3n]

That would also mean fewer hurricanes in the Atlantic, I’d imagine, if it flipped. 

Meanwhile over here, many beaches have yet to clear. No-sky July is here.

[Reg]

99F again this afternoon.

[Anti Marine Layer]

1 hour ago, Reg said:

99F again this afternoon.

100 is within reach.

[Thunder98]

The high was an insane 111F in College Station and Huntsville TX!

[Anti Marine Layer]

7 minutes ago, Thunder98 said:

The high was an insane 111F in College Station and Huntsville TX!

Ouch!

[Reg]

Barely cooling off tonight. Almost midnight and still well into the 70s.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Foggy out there folks.

[Anti Marine Layer]

[Pn1ct0g3n]

About the only place in the northern hemisphere that isn’t busting records left and right.

The second half of July is historically where the seasonal lag of the ocean starts to catch up a bit and beaches enjoy more warmth. 2011 and 2013 were good examples of summers that began with a whimper but eventually hit their stride, also staying warm well into the fall.

The SM Bay is always in a tug of war between colder waters creeping in from the north and warmer ones being pulled up from the south. It’s why our marine life is so diverse, but it also makes for a lot of variability in how well we clear and how high our highs get before the sea breeze kicks in.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Beaches look to stay buried.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Strong cooling extending farther inland too - only 69 in full sun in Middle Torrance according to the Ganahl Lumberyard sign. That’s not quite immediate coast — about 4-5 miles from the water.

Weather app says 73 but they’re in a more sheltered spot I believe.

unless the ocean warms up soon the specter of a threedux of 2020 is starting to loom

[Anti Marine Layer]

Not much longer until the shadow of that behemoth begins to infringe on our property again. 

Isn't my window view lovely?

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Only the finest quality stucco!

Meanwhile the ML is hanging on tenaciously to the first mile or so from the beach and it’s already down to 67 here. Normal heat for early-mid July once you get 15+ miles from the coast.

Standard “Sepulveda Wall” conditions that are remarkable in their long-term consistency.

[Reg]

Not quite as hot today, 95F.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Onshore flow is going. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

Another mild July afternoon here.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Southerly surge is slow to develop up north. Fire looks bad.

[Anti Marine Layer]

A Seven Eleven store got attacked on 7/11.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Only 79 today in Fullerton.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

If this troughy pattern doesn’t shift soon, it could be 2010 all over again. Or if you prefer, just another 2020s summer. I’m not ready for a third straight year with occasional record cool highs in July and August.

I’ve tried to be the stoic one. Trying not to complain and just report…but the possibility of 3 consecutive Bummer Summers is wearing at me.

[Anti Marine Layer]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-eleven-shooting-killed-wounded-southern-california/

 

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Ooof. I used to stop at a 7-11 almost daily on my way to work in that quaint, bygone era when there was no Covid and Shinzo Abe was still alive. 

So much violence has marred this year.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Rancho Palos Verdes is down to 59 and it’s not even midnight yet! That’s darn chilly for mid-July!

It’s cooling down fast even in the places where it got hot, a side effect of the chilly ocean.

[Anti Marine Layer]

Does climate change mean more upwelling?

[Thunder98]

1 hour ago, Mr Marine Layer said:

Does climate change mean more upwelling?

Climate change means the ocean will 100F by next year

[Anti Marine Layer]

OK then. We did not have many mornings like this in June this year. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

45 minutes ago, Thunder98 said:

Climate change means the ocean will 100F by next year

Maybe in New Orleans 

[Pn1ct0g3n]

The monsoon is finally starting to make another move into California, but will it make a dent in our supercharged marine layer?

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Smoke from the fires appears to have now filled most of the Sacramento Valley.

[Thunder98]

There's no excuse for a city that is just under 35 Latitude North to have cooler Summers than Sault Ste. Marie, MI, a city that is literally surrounded by lakes and borders Canada.... 

 

 

 

 

[Pn1ct0g3n]

Yeah, people praise our “natural AC” nonstop on Twitter but it often works too well.

Im pretty sure there were some times in 2020 and/or 2021 where it was warmer in Utqiagvik — a town well above the Arctic Circle! — than Manhattan Beach. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

16 minutes ago, Pn1ct0g3n said:

Yeah, people praise our “natural AC” nonstop on Twitter but it often works too well.

Im pretty sure there were some times in 2020 and/or 2021 where it was warmer in Utqiagvik — a town well above the Arctic Circle! — than Manhattan Beach. 

Some people set their thermostat to 68 in the summer, so it works pretty well for them. I'd be freezing with the AC that low.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

My home usually runs 68-78 naturally, (with some heating in the winter), depending on the time of year. Experts recommend setting your thermostat to 78 in summer anyway, so I’m well acclimated to the room being warm. I actually have cooler highs than you much of the time but the nights are a lot warmer.
 

We don’t have AC. There are times when we crave it, but those heatwaves have never lasted long enough to make us break down and get it, let alone justify the cost of operation. Just not enough cooling degree-days here. 2006 and 2015 notwithstanding, when we just kinda sweat through those.

[Omegaraptor]

54 minutes ago, Thunder98 said:

There's no excuse for a city that is just under 35 Latitude North to have cooler Summers than Sault Ste. Marie, MI, a city that is literally surrounded by lakes and borders Canada.... 

 

 

 

 

Coastal fog belt.

Look at Eureka and Willow Creek. 25 miles apart and they might as well be different countries.

[Pn1ct0g3n]

California’s North Coast has been described as being able to drive from Inverness to Seville in the space of 20 miles. Pretty wild when you think about it.

Even down here, Santa Monica to West Covina can take you through five or six different climate zones in the space of an hour. The power of microclimates.