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I know it's a farce- but I can't recall any model ever forecasting -30F in DSM. That's the coldest its ever been in recorded history-- JAN 5th, 1884. Though I personally believe the -26F in FEB 1996' (along with all the state records across the region) should take the cake being where it was measured in a city and not in river valley. But I digress.

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Yikes- don't often see modeled sub 500 thickness levels well into Iowa.  I swear if this FEB some how mimics the epic cold of last (this would again mess with Texas as some mets are all ready hinting out) a study needs to be done on why DEC's are warming and the end of winters are kicking major arse. 

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The overnight was one of those nights when the temperature slowly went up. The low here and officially at GRR of 5 happened around midnight. At this time it is partly cloudy and 17 here. There was trace of snow fall here yesterday and there is 6.5" of snow on the ground. As for next weeks possible system? That remains to be seen there is a lot and I mean a lot of time before we see how this plays out. But I will say we have now been in this cold and dry pattern for about 30 days or so and most patterns only last 30 to 45 days so we are due for a pattern change. It could be warmer/wetter or just warmer or just wetter. Dryer or colder are much less likely.

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This is from Terry Swails blog this morning.  The GFS was brutally cold after the 10th of Feb, not sure I buy it but it's out there.

I will end on a bang with this. It's the projected 500mb flow on the GFS February 10th. That folks is something we adamantly hope does not materialize. That configuration would deliver a vicious shot of cold air that's far worse than anything we've seen so far this winter.

 
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These are the temperature anomalies depicted February 11th. Notice on the legend the pink is where the scale stops with temperatures 33 below normal. Totally maxed out over a huge area.

 
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Closer inspection below shows readings surrounding the Quad Cities and the rest of my area 39 to 42 degrees below normal. Add a nice breeze to that and you might as well be at the North Pole. I seriously hope the GFS has a change of heart in coming days. Stay tuned.

 
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1 hour ago, Clinton said:

This is from Terry Swails blog this morning.  The GFS was brutally cold after the 10th of Feb, not sure I buy it but it's out there.

I will end on a bang with this. It's the projected 500mb flow on the GFS February 10th. That folks is something we adamantly hope does not materialize. That configuration would deliver a vicious shot of cold air that's far worse than anything we've seen so far this winter.

 
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These are the temperature anomalies depicted February 11th. Notice on the legend the pink is where the scale stops with temperatures 33 below normal. Totally maxed out over a huge area.

 
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Closer inspection below shows readings surrounding the Quad Cities and the rest of my area 39 to 42 degrees below normal. Add a nice breeze to that and you might as well be at the North Pole. I seriously hope the GFS has a change of heart in coming days. Stay tuned.

 
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Texas should watch out for this….

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^^^ Many mets talking about Texas again...

This is surreal. But it keeps getting modeled .AgaIn- DSM coldest ever is -30F back in a river valley in 1884.

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6 minutes ago, Thunder98 said:

Fargo is going to be like in a ice age if this verifies. 

Even -22F at MSP is remarkable in this day and age of concrete jungles. An airport (much like DSM in location) that is situated on the S side of MAJOR METRO area so cold air advection on NW/N winds gets warmed compared to going over a barbed wire fence years back...  Even 10 degrees off these temps is remarkable.  DSM saw -20F back on Jan 30th , 2019 and it had been over 8400 days since the last occurrence in FEB 1996.

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7 hours ago, Thunder98 said:

Texas should watch out for this….

Help me out here.  
Could you elaborate? 

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10 minutes ago, Andie said:

Help me out here.  
Could you elaborate? 

I’m going out on a limb here-  but I think the concern is that the very cold weather in Texas could take the grid down again…. And cause a repeat of the chaos of all the frozen pipes etc from a year ago

im sure if I’m wrong someone will correct me!

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16 hours ago, Thunder98 said:

A repeat of Feb 2021 with the power grid failing again.

Honestly though it’s a big risk anywhere with temps as cold as that’s showing.

I know they warned here in Iowa of power outages in 2019. The infrastructure isn’t buildt to handle -30/-35. Things fail faster and with furnaces literally running 24/7 non-stop it’s a huge draw on power 

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12 hours ago, Grizzcoat said:

^^^ Many mets talking about Texas again...

This is surreal. But it keeps getting modeled .AgaIn- DSM coldest ever is -30F back in a river valley in 1884.

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In my 15 years in the Ottumwa  area. Ive seen minus 27, minus 22,  and probably  10 times  of  minus 16 to minus 20.  Those were 2 diff rural areas south and west of Ottumwa.   Im sure the creekside late jan 2019 was minus 30 or colder  that morning.  I suspect  one day  i will see minus 30 here.

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14 hours ago, Thunder98 said:

A repeat of Feb 2021 with the power grid failing again.

When is this joy expected??
Hope you gents are off on this but I, and many other Texans, are as prepared as possible.  Many of us have gathered solar powered camping items.  I can kind of warm up. Not toasty but civilized.  And have light planned. With a gas grill we can eat.
 

I just hope there isn’t ice on the road and no repeat of the horrendous pile up on 35. It was a challenge for the city keeping then generators fueled for police, fire, water.  
My husband handles the City Fleet and they pulled it off last year without so much as a shimmy on the road transporting diesel to generators.  They all got commendations for that trick.
But once was plenty, thanks.   🙁

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My office is beginning to hype the cold.

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Heads Up: We are starting to see some signaling for extreme cold by the end of next week! Y'all are likely hyper-focused on championship sportsball stuff and snow chances next week, but it's never too late to prepare before snow and cold arrives! 🥶❄️🧤🧣🥾
 
 
 
 
 
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Conversation in the office: February 2021: "No one can beat our cold!" February 2022: "Hold my Thermometer!" #HereComesFebruary #AnotherKCCompetition
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2 minutes ago, Clinton said:

0z GFS trying to develop another storm on the 6th and 7th, it's not one I was expecting.  @Tomany thoughts on this?

Giddy up buddy, the pattern is ripe for the MW/Lower Lakes as nature will fill in the "snow holes"...the way I see it now, which was my LR call a couple weeks ago is for something special to develop.  I originally planned for it at the tail end of JAN but that one system that targeted KS/OK/CO earlier this week didn't really phase into the flow aloft.  Bummer.  I guess nature will make up for it on Ground Hog Day!

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I may not be able to teach a son-of-a-gun anything avout long range winter forecasting to save my life. I'll give every fool with nothing better to do but pine on it, that much, but I can teach the 3 "P"s of success...Patience, Persistence, and Perseverance.

I say that, because Ive held faith for, not 6, but 12 years that we were entering the age we are going into. Not a hotbox.

In like a lamb...

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On 1/27/2022 at 9:10 AM, Clinton said:

This is from Terry Swails blog this morning.  The GFS was brutally cold after the 10th of Feb, not sure I buy it but it's out there.

I will end on a bang with this. It's the projected 500mb flow on the GFS February 10th. That folks is something we adamantly hope does not materialize. That configuration would deliver a vicious shot of cold air that's far worse than anything we've seen so far this winter.

 
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These are the temperature anomalies depicted February 11th. Notice on the legend the pink is where the scale stops with temperatures 33 below normal. Totally maxed out over a huge area.

 
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Closer inspection below shows readings surrounding the Quad Cities and the rest of my area 39 to 42 degrees below normal. Add a nice breeze to that and you might as well be at the North Pole. I seriously hope the GFS has a change of heart in coming days. Stay tuned.

 
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Hey, I remember this weird "Okie" who's been looking for this day for a minute. :😁1917-18 is or could be a clue.

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@Clinton, the latest MJO forecast from the JMA continues to take the pattern into Phase 2/3...this has been almost a carbon copy over the past 3-5 days.  

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Now, this is where it gets interesting bc tonights run is showing the Euro jumping on board...well...sorta, as some members are hinting at it popping into the same vicinity as the JMA.  The last few runs of the Euro was primarily in the NULL phase so this is prob a clue we will see a colder EPS run for Week 2 tonight.

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The American suite is suggesting a Phase 3 scenario...

 

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Using the 10mb STRAT animation below, take a gander at the time stamp period starting off around Jan 14th thru the end of the animation.  Notice the blossoming warm anomalies in the NE PAC that continue and expand into W NAMER.  Big time clue that there will be a dominant NE PAC ridge/NW NAMER ridge well into FEB.

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Tonight's 0z GEFS are illustrating this pattern in the extended almost to a "T"...that's why I don't buy the EPS in the Week 2 period flooding the CONUS with warmth and a +EPO.  It is slowly correcting this known bias esp when you get deeper into Winter.  The other LR clue I'm paying attn to is the N PAC pattern that is literally advertising a wave train of storms cutting from the SW into the Aleutians.  SW Flow....a non stop N PAC trough that is slightly west into the Aleutians translates into a central CONUS trough.  I'm using this as guidance that we should see the models correct more towards a central CONUS trough for the second half of FEB.

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@Clinton, the latest MJO forecast from the JMA continues to take the pattern into Phase 2/3...this has been almost a carbon copy over the past 3-5 days.  

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Now, this is where it gets interesting bc tonights run is showing the Euro jumping on board...well...sorta, as some members are hinting at it popping into the same vicinity as the JMA.  The last few runs of the Euro was primarily in the NULL phase so this is prob a clue we will see a colder EPS run for Week 2 tonight.

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The American suite is suggesting a Phase 3 scenario...

 

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Using the 10mb STRAT animation below, take a gander at the time stamp period starting off around Jan 14th thru the end of the animation.  Notice the blossoming warm anomalies in the NE PAC that continue and expand into W NAMER.  Big time clue that there will be a dominant NE PAC ridge/NW NAMER ridge well into FEB.

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Tonight's 0z GEFS are illustrating this pattern in the extended almost to a "T"...that's why I don't buy the EPS in the Week 2 period flooding the CONUS with warmth and a +EPO.  It is slowly correcting this known bias esp when you get deeper into Winter.  The other LR clue I'm paying attn to is the N PAC pattern that is literally advertising a wave train of storms cutting from the SW into the Aleutians.  SW Flow....a non stop N PAC trough that is slightly west into the Aleutians translates into a central CONUS trough.  I'm using this as guidance that we should see the models correct more towards a central CONUS trough for the second half of FEB.

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Looking more at what the GFS is showing for the 6th and 7th, it might be catching on to the start of cycle 3.  If that is the case there could be something bigger around the 12th.  It will be interesting to see what the models do over the next week.

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So how are models for North Texas and Eastern Okla?  

Im trying to give the City Fleet people a heads up.  Mets here are being very tight lipped. 

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This will be a short and quick post in regards to where the Week 2 pattern is heading.  After a brief Lull in the pattern post next weeks storm, the North American hemispheric pattern will re-align as the NE PAC ridge pops and high lat blocking develops (neutral AO) and a slightly -PNA pattern evolves.  This, my friends, is a beneficial pattern for the MW and points East.  The EPS is slowly coming around and starting to sniff out the next potential big ticket storm in the 11th-13th period.  There is a hint of something developing a couple days earlier over the GL's region as well.  The pattern over the eastern SUB appears to be in the vicinity of the Action Zone through mid month.

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Looks like we can lock in another two weeks of snow all winter for SE Wisconsin before spring and the sun gets too strong so it melts any snow away quickly. Going to be one of those winters again. And to think with all these temps we just needed a few good storms in early January for it to be an amazing one for outdoor winter sports. Not like it was warm or rainy or anything, temps were great for sports.

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This winter really turned out to be a pretty big dud. And yeah I'm pretty salty about missing the storm this week, I know looking good that far our isn't usually good, but I still had some hope for some snow. They groomed all the trails here to prepare for the snow, which pushed it all down and scraped a lot of the loose stuff completely down to the ground where the trails were uneven. Basically, they ruined the snowmobile trail base anticipating this snow and now it's not going to come. Which means we're going to need an even better storm if they plan to open up.

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Where do we go from here???  I have opined that the LR pattern favors a central CONUS trough by Week 2 and this pattern should have legs through the rest of FEB.  The pattern over the N PAC, the LRC, the teleconnections and now the MJO forecasts are coming into alignment for a VERY favorable storm track, esp for the MW/GL's region.  I think later in the month those in the Plains have some opportunities but it'll be those across the eastern SUB that I foresee to benefit in the upcoming couple weeks of this month.  

Here's what I'm seeing...the storm track developing near and over the Aleutians cannot be scripted any better than what the models are currently showing.  From FEB 1st thru FEB 10th pretty much correlates a trough across the central CONUS and a slightly -PNA from mid to late month.  This will pretty much allow for the majority of our members to track  storms throughout this month, esp the later half where I could see some large scale storm systems.  Is the GHD storm just one of a few the have potential to develop into major winter storms?  Yes, I am convinced this month will deliver the goods.

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The majority of the global models are in remarkable agreement with the teleconnections...

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As for the MJO, kuddo's to the JMA for remaining lock rock steady...it has not backed down for a Phase 2/3 scenario...and wouldn't ya know it, the rest of the models are now seeing Phase 3.  I'll wait for the other models to load tonights data.

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Didn't I mention the EPS would correct towards the NE PAC ridge???  The model is coming around and the CFSv2 weeklies are forecasting that it remains a Long Term Long Wave pattern in this region for the entire month. 

This STRAT warming animation tells the story in the NE PAC...

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Speaking of which, the CFSv2 is painting BN temps right over the MW the next 30 days and a major shot of arctic air on the table by the 13th-15th.  I've seen a similar map before when we had the 2-week snow blitz in FEB a few years ago and it panned out.  My gut feeling a couple weeks ago I went out on a limb and stated that the next 2-4 weeks would produce a snowier pattern for the MW region appears to be leaning this way.  Something special is in the works...the snow holes will be filled...now, I'll go out on another limb...March roaring in like a Lion or Lamb this year???  It's going to Roar like never Before!  Hint: Remember the pattern in late DEC that brought a wave train of troughs that pounded the SW region.  Couple that with key blocking patterns and a slower jet stream that will allow storms to dig and explode in early Met Spring.  My goodness, my mind is running with scenarios wrt what MAR may have in store for our Sub.  

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Here we go! More hyperbole of never before seen weather for not only February, but even March too, and of course the standard braggart claims of being right about everything on every post as well!🙄 

Point of clarification for Nebraska posters, the "snow holes" that are going to be filled in by Mother Nature don't include Nebraska because Mother Nature finds the snow holes only in other parts of the country.

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