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Rubus Leucodermis

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  1. And you can't do anything about it. The only thing you can really do something about is what you say and do. This goes for all of us.
  2. Probably more than anyone here, ML shows signs of spending too much time in an echo chamber. He's actually more thoughtful and intelligent than most of the stuff he reposts, if you can manage to engage him in an actual conversation. I just wish he would stop and think about whether or not what he reads really passes the smell test. (And in this particular case, taking care to format would have helped. As it is, the overall effect of that post was of someone taking a dump on a public sidewalk and leaving.) Echo chamber material is designed to press our hot buttons and make us feel righteous while the Others are evil, stupid, depraved, etc. It's a powerful drug that is making the $ocial media empires billions. One must push back against one's gut tendencies when consuming social media or one's voice turns into just one more echo in the chamber.
  3. Noice! Would make for a good drenching IMBY (if it verifies, of course).
  4. Oh, the resource curse exists all right. It’s not insurmountable, but it definitely can be a strike against developing. It can easily lead to a tiny entrenched elite holding all the wealth and power, living in luxury while the masses struggle in poverty. It just goes to show how bad conditions in those blue countries are when places like the Phillipines and India don’t “qualify.”
  5. I think that's more historical legacy than anything else. Note how it's mostly sub-Saharan Africa that's in blue. South America has no blue countries yet has lots of tropical ones. A lot of Australia is in the tropics, yet Australia is a wealthy first world nation. Singapore (also first world) is almost smack-dab on the equator, and its neighbor Malaysia is just a notch behind.
  6. I thought it was not nearly so bad. It showed estimates by many methods, and how much they varied, and how much pronouncements that it was so much warmer in the middle Holocene really can't be made so definitively. If you have some better data to share, I'm all ears (and eyes).
  7. I agree there is a misuse (a misunderstanding, in many cases, I expect) of what individual local events say. I have never denied that. What I am saying is that getting the details wrong is a less serious error than getting the basic does-it-exist-or-does-it-not fact wrong. Some people here seem to think they are equivalent, or even that the lesser error is the greater one. Yes, I do believe we can correlate civilization to the environment (or, more precisely, the health of one to the health of its environment), and that environmental degradation has ended civilizations in the past. And before they ended, the local environment was being changed profoundly just as the civilization was approaching its zenith. Reminds me of the joke about the man who fell out of a window in a skyscraper, but hat yet to make contact with the ground. "So far, so good!"
  8. I already retracted my claim about there being no civilizations halfway though the Holocene. I don't know what you are talking about.
  9. By many estimates, we are already now warmer than during the Holocene temperature maximum ~ 8,000 years before present.
  10. Just looked it up and it is not generally considered to be a full civilization but a "proto-city".
  11. Again, the curious double standard, with the errors in degree of the camp contenting that global warming is a problem being judged more serious than the error in fact of those contending it does not even exist.
  12. Obviously, we're special, and the rules that applied to other, lesser civilizations do not apply to us.
  13. I concede that particular point. Still, that world did not sustain OUR civilization. I still contend that it is exceptionally foolish to think our civilization could withstand the likely amount of warming it is set to create, and in a short time (geologically speaking) at that.
  14. There is really nothing particularly special about our global technological civilization, other than our particular attachment to it. Other civilizations have suffered ecological collapse, and so will ours.
  15. About halfway through the Holocene, and it ended when local environmental changes (caused by the presence of the civilization there) pushed things outside the ranges capable of sustaining that civilization. There were no civilizations around at the start of the Holocene.
  16. I'm arguing that climate stage of the sort that will happen will push the planet out of the range that has sustained our civilization. Past civilizations have ended when local environmental changes pushed things outside the range of being able to sustain them.
  17. “Civilization describes a complex way of life characterized by urban areas, shared methods of communication, administrative infrastructure, and division of labor.” Just because there were humans around does not mean there was civilization. https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/key-components-civilization/
  18. There was no human civilization around halfway back through the Holocene!
  19. Again, as if getting the details wrong is worse than getting the basic fact of existence wrong. Sorry, this just does not make sense.
  20. Considering it is set to push the planet well outside the temperature range that has sustained human civilization so far, that seems quite a reasonable assumption.
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