Front Ranger

Right. At one point it was looking like the entire West would roast this month (we had anomalies around +10 1/3 of the way through December here), but turning out differently in the end. Heaven forbid I point that out!

I just said much of the West will end up near or below normal. We've seen far torchier months out here - last winter for example. It wasn't meant as an argument to your point (national torch), simply an additional, related point. But you took it as oppositional.

Like I said, by month's end about 2/3 of the US will have truly torched this month. The number is dropping. Why didn't you wait until the month was over to post the map? Seems like that would have made more sense if you're trying to prove a point about December being a national torch.

There have certainly been coast to coast torches before. Again, happy to show you the maps. You weren't wrong about this being a very warm month nationally. Good call. But it's not ending up the same as some months where almost everyone has torched. I don't see any reason to dispute that.

Not picking a fight...he's the one adamantly opposing what I'm saying, not sure why. Am I wrong? Do you think this month will end up as a torch for the West? Just calling it what it is.

I think your 90% number is too high. And significant portions of those areas will be within a degree of normal. I'll be happy to post the map at the end of the month and show you how it differs from true coast to coasters. I know it seems like it sometimes, but the East is not the whole U.S.

Working on quite a streak of sub-freezing days. Should reach at least 7. Also have had 2 straight weeks of snow cover.

Assuming torch is like +3 or higher anomalies, about 2/3 of the US will end up with that. It's not splitting hairs to point out that while the East royally roasted this month, the West did not. We will have substantial areas below normal. Doesn't disprove anything, other than the notion of a coast to coast blowtorch. Those have happened on monthly basis, but not this month.

No, in Phil's scenario the best chance for the PNW to get Arctic air is early on. In January.

Like I said, epic torch for the East, but not a coast to coaster.

Not splitting hairs to point out that map will look easily cooler for the West by month's end.

Much of the West will end up below normal or right around normal. Truly epic torch for the East though.

One heck of a block on the Euro, that's for sure. Too bad all the really cold air is on the other side of the globe.

Euro looks better than GFS for Tue...I think, on my phone.

Muskegon, where all your dreams come true.

Man, if ever there was a pattern that was so close for so many...I did say about 10 days ago that the upcoming pattern reminded me of 2007-08, and unfortunately it's worked out that way to this point - lots of snow if you live above 1000', lots of wet snow/mix below. Today was a step closer with the Hood Canal seeing their first decent snow in awhile. I really, really hope something works out for more of you this week.

Weather is hard to predict. PNW lowland snow is a puzzle rarely solved.

The baby has been aborted.

3" last night, about 6" in the shade. With the continued cold temps, this month will likely end up near normal and with snow cover most the month.

Nah, I just said if the pattern was a bit different it could result in widespread lowland snowfall. Like 7 days out. Nothing crazy or all that exuberant. I apologize if that statement caused anyone to pee their pants or have a crappy Christmas.

I was told I built too much excitement up due to my tracking. Go figure.

As long as you're excited about it, we know something is going to happen.

So you're really, really crazy now?

I only wish I had such power!

That house sitter of yours deserves a raise.