Did a little late night web surfing, and I came across these graphics. Not sure if any of you are familiar with these, but I found it quite interesting seeing a contrast between the ACE (Accumulated Cyclone Energy) correlating to temps in the following winter between the North Atlantic and West Pacific. The blue dots in the second graphic are identified as 'outliers', but even with those dots the baseline for lower WPAC ACE years is significantly cooler than higher years. It's probably due to the La Nina + PDO influence on typhoon season. It's partially why they haven't had an above-average season since 2019. As of today, W PAC's ACE is 146.1, which is the lowest since 2010. Of course, we still have two months left to go, but I think we can still count this season as below average. Since 2000, we've only had 5 other below average ACE years. Those being 2008, 2010, 2017, 2020, and 2022. Now, does this mean anything for the PNW come this winter? Probably not, but what it does mean is that I am tired now and can finally go to sleep! Good night

Our upper end potential is staggering.

Cascadia's dream climate = Paradise

BTW I think people misunderstood when I said the GFS shows the pattern locking later in the run. I meant it shows the progressive pattern coming to an end and the wave train buckling. I did not mean that run should be taken at face value and that a good pattern is a lock.

I totally agree on liking it more continental. For me Cle Elum is almost perfect because the winters are solidly cold and snowy, and the summers are about the coolest you find east of the Cascades due to marine influence seeping through the passes. Very little marine influence in the winter due to almost constant offshore gradients.