Some of us remember December 2008 in this forum. Or, more specifically, November 2008. Weather was boring. So many people canceled winter. No chance for anything good. Like a Mariners forum after game 7 against Toronto. Lots of moaning and bitching. Obviously that doesn't mean December will be great, but some people haven't learned. What happens now doesn't mean much for the rest of the winter. Maybe @MossMan has some of the old whiny comments from before anyone knew December would be so memorable.

We've been slacking in the winter hype vids this autumn so - better late than never:

Oooo I like this. This is *real* close.

Yeah, setting aside the weenie disappointment of recent evaporating chances in the models, a warm November is absolutely a good sign for cold and snow later. It's coming my dear weenies, do not fret.

Not unlike a strong system we were following for Thanksgiving weekend 6 years ago: