Seattle had the lucky AR which turned to snow event in December 1974. I still remember that one.

Yeah and there were a lot of ballistic missiles so they were harder to intercept. I think that's also different from the last attack. From the reports I'm reading, the Iranian president was urging restraint to the Ayatollah. The revolutionary guard pressed for a response saying they were looking weak on the world stage by not responding to recent Israeli targeting. Guess who won the argument? Also seeing retired Israeli generals urging to attack the nuclear sites with bunker busting bombs. They think this is the time for the world to allow an attack. Which may be a red line with Iran. Hence the escalation.

thoughts on the PV that keeps dragging its feet getting going?

It would be fitting if Kamala leads a mob into the capitol to prevent Trump’s certification if she loses. I am sure then it would be a really big deal on the right.

Yeah, we'll have a couple dozen nights below 40º this year. Should be out of the proverbial fruit woods by mid Jan. Not joking about all of this either, we are due for a few years in a row with limited cool season action and it isn't worth getting worked up over a CFS forecast or some long range that is going to yield 43º and cold rain, which wont hurt my plants. My family is looking at doing a custom built house in 3-4 years, and I want to get an orangery built, so that should be just in time for our statistical once-a-decade regional event. If the forum is still focused on the weather around then, we can all look back at this post and reminisce about the time that I went from being a cold and snow lover to a full grown adult.