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Actually the big problem with Seattle heat is that most people do not have AC, and at the peak of the heatwave, it does not cool off at night. For me, having grown up in the southeast and knowing what "real" heat is, that is my BIGGEST complaint. I can handle 85-90 no problem, but when I then have to go sit in a 78-80 degree stuffy house, then try to go to sleep in a 75-78 degree house (my ideal sleeping temp is below 66), its no good. Luckily, we usually only have to endure 2-3 days of the hot nights before the onshore flow cranks up, but most people are pretty cranky by then. Also, it seems like the heatwaves are typically not too terribly humid, although this last one got really humid at the end. This week we have been able to get the house down to 58-60 at night and it has been absolute heaven!

Kinda OT, but I'm in the process of installing some high definition, live-stream wx-cameras (with high quality sound and night vision) on the anemometer pole on/above my roof, and should have at least three different viewing angles by the time I'm finished. When I get back home at the end of the month, I'll finish the installation and post the link here, if anyone is interested come fall/winter. I'm utilizing a battery back-up for the router and cameras so they'll continue functioning even if the power goes out.

I would probably do just fine considering I'm pretty sure even garden sheds have central AC out there. #heatwussies

Looks like they've peaked at just 98. After 3.4" of snow the winter before. #weakgulfstreamafflictedmaritimeclimates

I was looking at radar. You can see the storm wrapping up. Reminds me of a fall/winter setup. Like how that HRRR looks. Lil 1.5" bullseye over me. See how it transpires later.

Widespread 5-7" of rain in my county, including 5.2" in my gauge. We got water into our basement also, mostly because we are adding on to our house and we don't have an efficient gutter system. Many roads are washed out and rivers are out of their banks. Kind of crazy around these parts this morning! Today was supposed to be our first day of school and got canceled because the busses couldn't get around the gravel roads outside of town!

The best time of the year is the first discussion of winter possibilities!

Wx Bell's sneak peak snowfall forecast for the CONUS...

It's chilly in the mornings at the condo at Copper Mountain. I had 25F this morning. Here are some photos of the frost covered golf course and a photo showing just how thick the frost was on my windshield. http://images.summitpost.org/original/1005141.JPG http://images.summitpost.org/original/1005142.JPG Fraser (on average, the coldest town in the Lower 48 that has a weather station) was a much warmer 37F this morning. The coldest official reading in the Lower 48 this morning was 28F at Climax Colorado. I'm still guessing that by number of days with frost, Copper Mountain might be coldest in the lower 48, even though there is no weather station. Since I have been here (July 24) there have only been 2 nights above freezing.

Bigtime bust over here. Only 0.10" today. Skies are clear now. Another beautiful evening!

ended up with 1.7" total between 3 different rain "events", from yesterday morning to this morning. My sister lives near Schuyler, NE and she said they had 7-8", and their school was cancelled as well. They're in the same area as Gabel above. She's been posting some pretty crazy pics of the flooding around her area.

2025-26, the next mega Nino.

Up here in Bellingham it wasn't too terrible most nights. A breeze would kick up a few hours before sunset, and it would cool quickly once the sun went down. I think we usually got down to between 56-62 most nights. The last couple of nights of this last heatwave there was no breeze, if I remember correctly it was still around 75 at sunset, and down to 68-70 by midnight....not enough differential to cool things off in the house, and no breeze to move the air. We have several window fans, but they only do so much. I'm surprised more homes don't have attic fans out here. I've actually thought about trying to put one in my home. Those worked great, in the south, and were fun to throw paper airplanes and other objects into. I have no idea how they were on power and could care less as a kid but thinking back on it as an adult, that sucker had a huge motor on it and I am sure sucked down the power. In addition, it had thin aluminum shutters that closed when it was off, and I supposed that would let tons of cold air in during the winter, which obviously would be less than ideal for the PNW. I lucked out in most of the places I lived at in Georgia, my mom was not afraid to run the A/C when I lived at home, then when I moved out on my own, most places were out of the sun and stayed relatively cool. There was one place I lived at that would absolutely roast. It was an old brick duplex that was in the sun all day and only had a very old window A/C unit. I only ran that on the hottest of days (it still tripled my power bill), otherwise I either kept the bath tub filled with cold water and would jump in it every couple of hours, or I would take a cold shower to cool off. I hate that kind of heat and humidity, which is why I don't live there any more!

Sounds cool but if I want to watch 33 degree rain all winter then I think I'll just stick to looking outside.

Yes, it's always fun to look ahead and even more so to see encouraging signs of a cold and snowy winter. I just feel like you can always find encouraging signs if you try hard enough (kind of like how you can always spin statistics in a certain direction). Weren't the last two winters supposed to be off to a fast start and be cold and snowy only to turn out to be almost non-existent for most of us? For the sake of learning - can the active/knowledgeable posters also include how an opposite/contrary scenario could happen? I don't just mean for the winter outlook, but also day to day once we are actually in the winter season. For example - A, B, C all suggest a cold and dry week, however if X, Y, Z were to transpire, then that could mean.... you get the point.

Kidding aside, that sounds nice. Something I used to do more often but haven't done enough in recent years.

Cool day in Southern California yesterday with a 4000 ft marine layer into the mountain passes and 0.17" of rain at Del Mar Heights. Same trough that brought measurable rain to the PNW.

We don't have AC. It was hot. Luckily we went camping that night.

Weren't lows in the mid/upper 60s during that heatwave? I'd imagine without AC it's very uncomfortable indoors during the daytime, but I think most would consider lows in the 60s as fairly comfortable overall. At least you can open the windows and run the fans. Can't do that with lows in the 80s and high dewpoints.

Looking at the MEI bimonthly's, both DJ and JF were barely negative. Essentially no signal. At least the ONI's showed weak Nina conditions for NDJ...transitioning to cold neutral for DJF (-0.4).

I had to double check...we basically transitioned from a weak Nina to cold neutral during DJF. We can probably classify it as both.

Has DC matched or exceeded PDX's 105 yet this year?

LOL - sounds like a cryptic term for REAL wx zombies ^^ at those temp maps - yikes! IF this pattern is mirrored into DJF this will be an impressive scenario. I noticed how strong this SLP was prog'd to get and was remembering the one I got caught in back on June 18th up at Grand Traverse Bay. Had that been during winter, it would've been a classic LehS "backside bliz" for sure. (oops, there I go talking 'bout winter again in the wrong thd )

So more like warm in afternoon and cools off quickly in evening. I can live with that

Man that sucks

There was no frost here this morning because of cloud cover, but the snowline dropped to near timberline: http://images.summitpost.org/original/1005162.JPG

I was thinking about you when I made this post. You guys got a taste of what we had to endure back in July when we had our flooding. I think the pattern is going to be favorable for more heavy rains as we head into Sept. More cold fronts interacting with GOM moisture is prob likely.

@ Tom Maybe move some posts like the (2) winter natl forecast maps and related posts to your new thd?

It needed to be done...lol...it will awaken the dormant ones waiting for their snow "fix"...

I created a separate thread for those who wish to discuss our next cold season... http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/1618-preliminary-discussion-for-fall-winter-2017-18/

Another look at a couple different models for the Winter months...SE Ridge signal looks real and so does a La Nina pattern... IMME... NMME... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/NMME/current/images/NMME_ensemble_prate_us_season4.png

Meanwhile, beginning a decade ago with 07-08, SMI has enjoyed one of it's best decades for winter lovers since records were kept. The seasons ending in 08, 09, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, & 17 all featured above avg snow and often major storms/blizzards and featured (2) 100" seasons for mby in a non-LES locale. As strange as last season was, I did way better than many peeps. One can get used to this generosity in the snow dept, then always worry that the other shoe is bound to drop sooner or later. Hopefully, I've moved on when it does, lol

34/36 the last two mornings in La Pine, OR. Outside of Seneca it has to be one of the best places to maximize cooling in the west despite the fact it's less than 150 miles from the Pacific Ocean. Although Seneca is farther inland.

After the sun comes up, the temperature quickly rises to the 60's and 70's. The season is short, but in summer, quite a few people come here to escape the heat or to play in the snow. In winter, Copper Mountain is a ski resort, which is its most popular season. Golf is just a filler to keep tourists busy in the summer.

Pretty short golf season with year round frost delays. Must be tough to turn a profit.

Didn't you get the best of that blizzard in February 2016? There is no possible way we get a year worse than last year. If that is the case, then the apocalypse is coming and we have bigger things to worry about than snow

We're already getting hyped for this winter in August? Yeah, wasn't it the same way last year? I really want to be optimistic, but it's so hard. We've just been let down constantly over the last five to ten years. Maybe this will be the year. It has to turn around eventually right?

Dang, now that is an impressive drop in the ENSO 3.4 region! Heck, even ENSO 3 & 4 are falling off a cliff!

I'm sorry, that's not cold & snowy enough East of the Rockies to be a Farmer's Almanac forecast

I did. We can split the bill later.