Tom Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 SCRIPPS updated ENSO forecast...I remember what seems long ago, the model had a super Nina. Now its more back to reality. Here are the latest forecasted anomalies... OND 2016 -1.14NDJ 2016/2017 -1.17 DJF 2016/2017 -1.16JFM 2017 -1.12 http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~pierce/elnino/fcst_gifs/fcst_made_2016-10_for_2016-12.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 SCRIPPS updated ENSO forecast...I remember what seems long ago, the model had a super Nina. Now its more back to reality. Here are the latest forecasted anomalies... OND 2016 -1.14NDJ 2016/2017 -1.17 DJF 2016/2017 -1.16JFM 2017 -1.12 http://meteora.ucsd.edu/~pierce/elnino/fcst_gifs/fcst_made_2016-10_for_2016-12.jpg And Scripps you said tends to over-do things a bit, so those would most likely verify less than -1.0 correct? Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 And Scripps you said tends to over-do things a bit, so those would most likely verify less than -1.0 correct?You'd think that would be the case. Skeptical about it reaching -1.5C. On the other hand, recent runs on the CFSv2 are showing La Nina conditions during winter. Here is the recent run (follow the blue lines)...down to -1.5C in January... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/nino34Mon.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 You'd think that would be the case. Skeptical about it reaching -1.5C. On the other hand, recent runs on the CFSv2 are showing La Nina conditions during winter. Here is the recent run (follow the blue lines)...down to -1.5C in January... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/nino34Mon.gif Hmm...goes down briefly then rises. Time spent south of -1.0 looks slight. Also, is there any lag time on the practical wx effects? Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 Hmm...goes down briefly then rises. Time spent south of -1.0 looks slight. Also, is there any lag time on the practical wx effects?I'm not sure if there is a time lag, but I know this will effect the Pacific jet. Might be a reason why the CFSv2 and NOAA have a wet signal for our region. Here is the DJF Precip run... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/usPrecSeaInd3.gif JFM... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/usPrecSeaInd4.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted October 5, 2016 Report Share Posted October 5, 2016 I'm not sure if there is a time lag, but I know this will effect the Pacific jet. Might be a reason why the CFSv2 and NOAA have a wet signal for our region. Here is the DJF Precip run... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/usPrecSeaInd3.gif JFM... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/usPrecSeaInd4.gifThat's exactly the precip pattern I want to see for DJF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted October 6, 2016 Report Share Posted October 6, 2016 Ditto to that! Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2016 I have noticed this week's CPC ENSO update is showing more subsurface cooling near the central Pacific... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/anim/wkxzteq_anm.gif Cooler waters are starting to stretch basin wide but mainly focusing in on a modiki La Nina-like threshold... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/cdas-sflux_ssta_global_1.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2016 Over the last week, ENSO regions 4, 3.4 and 3 have been experiencing weak Nina conditions. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/ssta_c.gif Cold subsurface anomalies are not going anywhere and steadfast in the central Pacific. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/anim/wkxzteq_anm.gif My, have we come a long way from last year about this time! http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/ssttlon5_c.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 Here is the updated POAMA forecast and it confirms a weak La Nina in place through mid January... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2016 La Nina-like conditions should ramp up later this week and continue in the extended... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Well, well, well...hold the fort! CPC has re-issued a La Nina Watch and gives it a 70% chance of verifying for the Autumn/Winter months. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted October 13, 2016 Report Share Posted October 13, 2016 Well, well, well...hold the fort! CPC has re-issued a La Nina Watch and gives it a 70% chance of verifying for the Autumn/Winter months. http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.pdf Still would be more west based, eh? 2 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted October 15, 2016 Report Share Posted October 15, 2016 Lets hope for the best. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted October 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2016 Over the last couple weeks, there has been some building of cooler subsurface waters in the central Pacific... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/ocean/anim/wkxzteq_anm.gif Weak La Nina conditions still prevail... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/nino34.png The coolest of waters still taking on a modiki look, near 160W - 140W... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_update/sstaanim.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 Hello La Nina and weak PV. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/ensodisc.shtml Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 Say farewell to the La Nina...ENSO 3.4 region has bounced into positive territory... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/nino34.png Nearly all the equatorial region is near neutral to positive... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/cdas-sflux_ssta_global_1.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 4, 2016 Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 What does this mean for the rest of winter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2016 What does this mean for the rest of winter?I personally believe this is a temporary rise in SST's. Don't expect it to climb much farther. There isn't to much warmer sub surface waters that would totally overwhelm the overall weather pattern. La Nada conditions actually are very favorable for our region anyway so I would expect it to bode well for us. Moreover, the LRC pattern is set and it looks pretty active for us with volatile temps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 I personally believe this is a temporary rise in SST's. Don't expect it to climb much farther. There isn't to much warmer sub surface waters that would totally overwhelm the overall weather pattern. La Nada conditions actually are very favorable for our region anyway so I would expect it to bode well for us. Moreover, the LRC pattern is set and it looks pretty active for us with volatile temps.Tom, should we still rely on this bolded statement, or have things changed and our winter will be more calmer?! Any ideas? Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Tom, should we still rely on this bolded statement, or have things changed and our winter will be more calmer?! Any ideas? Think about where we have been so far in our region...Above normal snowfall and slightly below normal temps with volatile temp swings. I'd say that has been a fair assessment, wouldn't ya? Going forward, we still have 2/3 of Winter left to go and I'm thinking that February could be very cold/active to open up the month (using the LRC as guidance and how December's Week 1 & 2 opened up)...maybe even very late January. Otherwise, I don't see things changing where we have been thus far this Winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Think about where we have been so far in our region...Above normal snowfall and slightly below normal temps with volatile temp swings. I'd say that has been a fair assessment, wouldn't ya? Going forward, we still have 2/3 of Winter left to go and I'm thinking that February could be very cold/active to open up the month (using the LRC as guidance and how December's Week 1 & 2 opened up)...maybe even very late January. Otherwise, I don't see things changing where we have been thus far this Winter. Funny cuz I was thinking back to my earlier posts about how this year might resemble 81-82 though everybody was riding 83-84. So far, this has been like a warmer version of 81-82. That year, Detroit (SEMI in general where I was living) had some pretty good snowfalls to start the winter off right before Christmas. Actually, Detroit officially had 7" depth the morning of Christmas - very white by historical standards. I was getting all pumped for winter, but we lost that snow cover and the only thing we got until Jan 30th was LES and maybe a weak weak clipper. Like zero synoptic plow-able snowstorms. Storm tracks were MN/UP/NMI, or on the EC with a big ole dead zone like we see on the maps right now. This year still has to play out, and the cold shots are much more fleeting, but here we are again looking at LES or nothing for perhaps the entire month - uggh. At least 81-82 finished strong, not so sure this one will without some kind of Poleward heat flux or major blocking getting locked in. The Jan 30/31 '82 bliz was the beginning of 6 weeks of solid winter that peaked with 24"+ depths across SMI including Marshall. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Funny cuz I was thinking back to my earlier posts about how this year might resemble 81-82 though everybody was riding 83-84. So far, this has been like a warmer version of 81-82. That year, Detroit (SEMI in general where I was living) had some pretty good snowfalls to start the winter off right before Christmas. Actually, Detroit officially had 7" depth the morning of Christmas - very white by historical standards. I was getting all pumped for winter, but we lost that snow cover and the only thing we got until Jan 30th was LES and maybe a weak weak clipper. Like zero synoptic plow-able snowstorms. Storm tracks were MN/UP/NMI, or on the EC with a big ole dead zone like we see on the maps right now. This year still has to play out, and the cold shots are much more fleeting, but here we are again looking at LES or nothing for perhaps the entire month - uggh. At least 81-82 finished strong, not so sure this one will without some kind of Poleward heat flux or major blocking getting locked in. The Jan 30/31 '82 bliz was the beginning of 6 weeks of solid winter that peaked with 24"+ depths across SMI including Marshall.I could see some resemble of that season for the remainder of this season. CFSv2 showing more blocking in February and bringing more widespread cold so we'll see if this is a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Think about where we have been so far in our region...Above normal snowfall and slightly below normal temps with volatile temp swings. I'd say that has been a fair assessment, wouldn't ya? Going forward, we still have 2/3 of Winter left to go and I'm thinking that February could be very cold/active to open up the month (using the LRC as guidance and how December's Week 1 & 2 opened up)...maybe even very late January. Otherwise, I don't see things changing where we have been thus far this Winter.So far, so good. No complaints. Lets see how the remainder of January goes and so forth. You don't sound too confident for February. I am thinking there are a few obstacles that kinda make you a little skeptical for that particular month, otherwise, you would sound more enthusiastic about it. Perhaps, no blocking? or maybe less of a SER (South East Ridge)? I know its impossible ta predict that far out and be correct. Most experts say, No. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 It's looking like in the longer ranges we go into a more -EPO and neutral to weak +PNA which could be better for most of us but I've seen it not be also. That would flatten the southeast ridge a good bit by driving cold straight at it rather than dumping it off into the west and swinging it east. There's still a lot of winter left to go though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Tom sounded fairly confident to me if I read it correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Well, so much for the La Nina or La Nada pattern and all those NOAA seasonal maps showing above normal moisture streaking north thru MI. So far, mission fail for 1st month of MET winter: With all the cold and snow along the Canada border you can't say this is acting completely like a strong Nino, but the rain & mountain snows that CA normally gets in a Nino are happening now - go figure! Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Well, so much for the La Nina or La Nada pattern and all those NOAA seasonal maps showing above normal moisture streaking north thru MI. So far, mission fail for 1st month of MET winter: 20170103 Dec16PNormUS.png With all the cold and snow along the Canada border you can't say this is acting completely like a strong Nino, but the rain & mountain snows that CA normally gets in a Nino are happening now - go figure!That's a -PNA nina pattern all the way. Shift everything east-southeast and it fits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 That's a -PNA nina pattern all the way. Shift everything east-southeast and it fits. Pls elaborate, cuz what I posted is that the results so far don't seem to jive with what's been touted to occur with the ENSO state. Are you suggesting that the -PNA aka SER has been over-riding the weak ENSO state? Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Pls elaborate, cuz what I posted is that the results so far don't seem to jive with what's been touted to occur with the ENSO state. Are you suggesting that the -PNA aka SER has been over-riding the weak ENSO state?Basically yes. It has a lot to do with the stout +QBO as well. Not necessarily the southeast ridge either. The massive block over AK being pulled back so far to the west has had an overriding effect on most of the other variables that we look for as well. As the enso state fades out quickly very soon, (it is right now) we should begin to see the other variables we saw in the early parts of the season influence the pattern more directly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 What? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 This image describes what I mean better than I can. This is the perfect image of a +QBO overriding influence on the "typical" weak Niña base state. Notice everything pulled west starting with the block in AK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OKwx2k4 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 This is the progression I'm still looking to see though. Whether we see it or not though is anyone's guess. The PV is coming back off of its December spike so here's hoping the next 2 months follow what you see below only pulled to the west a tad. Would be a lot of fun for many. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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