WeatherArchive Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 Are we like early 90s where we had a bunch of ugly mild years (excluding 1992 of course!) that lead to a bunch of moderate droughts? What other periods had similar or uglier years? Were the 1930s ickier for the PNW then the 90s in terms of mild weather? I'm been very curious about the general circulation between the 1930s and this decade. There were some (cold) waves thrown in despite the mildness. Which would you prefer to swap just for the sakes of the weather? Would you swap the 90s/2000s for the 1930s/40s climate pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 IMO the last half of 1937 through 1942 was absolutely horrible. Probably the worst 5 year period we have had. On the other hand the 1932 through early 1937 period was fantastic. If it weren't for 1942-43 the entire late 1937 through early 1946 period would have been putrid. The good news is what came after that.... Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted December 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 What would that period that was good have been like in today's world? Would it have made for a lot of good skiing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 IMO the last half of 1937 through 1942 was absolutely horrible. Probably the worst 5 year period we have had. On the other hand the 1932 through early 1937 period was fantastic. If it weren't for 1942-43 the entire late 1937 through early 1946 period would have been putrid. The good news is what came after that.... 1941-42 featured a pretty significant cold stretch. 43-44/44-45/45-46 was a rare trifecta of total suck, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 Are we like early 90s where we had a bunch of ugly mild years (excluding 1992 of course!) that lead to a bunch of moderate droughts? What other periods had similar or uglier years? Were the 1930s ickier for the PNW then the 90s in terms of mild weather? I'm been very curious about the general circulation between the 1930s and this decade. There were some (cold) waves thrown in despite the mildness. Which would you prefer to swap just for the sakes of the weather? Would you swap the 90s/2000s for the 1930s/40s climate pattern?Well, both periods did share a boreal winter +NAO background state. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted December 25, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Well, both periods did share a boreal winter +NAO background state. That would be good for the east coast am I correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 That would be good for the east coast am I correct?Ironically, +NAO decades have featured much bigger blizzards here than -NAO decades. From 1959-1977, this area didn’t see a single snowstorm at/above 20”. Since 1978, we’ve seen nine storms dumping 20”+, and five of them have occurred during the last decade alone. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted December 25, 2017 Report Share Posted December 25, 2017 Ironically, +NAO decades have featured much bigger blizzards here than -NAO decades. From 1959-1977, this area didn’t see a single snowstorm at/above 20”.Since 1978, we’ve seen nine storms dumping 20”+, and five of them have occurred during the last decade alone. very interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snow_wizard Posted December 26, 2017 Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 very interesting It has been discussed on here many times how the whole -NAO thing being epic for the East and terrible for the West is a myth. Jan 1969 was one of the most -NAO Januaries on record and we got pummeled that month. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2023-24 stats Total Snowfall = 1.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 1 Total Hail = 0.0 Total Ice = 0.2 Coldest Low = 13 Lows 32 or below = 45 Highs 32 or below = 3 Lows 20 or below = 3 Highs 40 or below = 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted December 26, 2017 Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 It has been discussed on here many times how the whole -NAO thing being epic for the East and terrible for the West is a myth. Jan 1969 was one of the most -NAO Januaries on record and we got pummeled that month. yeah unfortunately it not really the weenies in this case as it's the pro Mets that really started this nao hype which is unfortunate as it's being mislead by a lot of the promets to the plubic.in fact one could make a case that it's more variable and it effects depends on the enso more so la niña neuturl El Nino all seem to behave differently nao wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 26, 2017 Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 It has been discussed on here many times how the whole -NAO thing being epic for the East and terrible for the West is a myth. Jan 1969 was one of the most -NAO Januaries on record and we got pummeled that month.Yeah, and 2014/15 was one of the most prolific +NAO winters on record, and was one of the lamest DJF’s on record in the western US. Usually helps to have some ridging in NE Canada (-NAO) to keep cold air bottled in SW Canada, where it can be more easily delivered into the PNW. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted December 26, 2017 Report Share Posted December 26, 2017 Yeah, and 2014/15 was one of the most prolific +NAO winters on record, and was one of the lamest DJF’s on record in the western US. Usually helps to have some ridging in NE Canada (-NAO) to keep cold air bottled in SW Canada, where it can be more easily delivered into the PNW. it just puzzling those how many pro Mets will say how the - nao benefits the east northeast when the facts show there is way more to it.the pro Mets could use some restudying on the nao. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Yeah, and 2014/15 was one of the most prolific +NAO winters on record, and was one of the lamest DJF’s on record in the western US. Usually helps to have some ridging in NE Canada (-NAO) to keep cold air bottled in SW Canada, where it can be more easily delivered into the PNW.What's your take on the NAO predictions? Could that be what's F-king up the NE Pacific Index Snow Whizard so highly regarded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted December 27, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 Well, both periods did share a boreal winter +NAO background state. It appears 1969 had a DEEP -NAO which explains why the E Well, both periods did share a boreal winter +NAO background state. l Nino didn't do it's usual thing. A rare combination but I do have full faith in the NAO more then the NE Pacific Index. The Atlantic is quite powerful and is able to shape things down stream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted December 27, 2017 Report Share Posted December 27, 2017 It appears 1969 had a DEEP -NAO which explains why the E l Nino didn't do it's usual thing. A rare combination but I do have full faith in the NAO more then the NE Pacific Index. The Atlantic is quite powerful and is able to shape things down stream.The Pacific is upstream from the Atlantic. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherArchive Posted December 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 Sorry was tired. But it seems the NAO state can override the NE Pacific Index in many cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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