Phil Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 :lol: :lol: Late August will be troughy. Middle is up for grabs.Probably makes sense... first part troughy, middle warm, troughy end. If August does end up cooler than normal then I expect a warm September. Just a feeling based on local history. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I learned you call most everything troughing and its still nice. And don't really care. August is looking nice as well now. No point to this discussion as usual.I don't care how "nice" you think a month is. I look at quantitative, numerically verifiable data, from all relevant standpoints. I don't live in a world where cherry picking and hyperbole is necessary to sustain a personal opinion on the nature of reality. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 :lol: :lol: Entertaining yourself? Maybe I will make you spend hours pulling up quotes from different times just to keep you busy. You are always wrong... give me 50 posts to try and prove otherwise. Deadline is 5 pm EDT. Enjoy your day. Oh and August looks nicer than you led me to believe at one point in time. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I don't care how "nice" you think a month is. I look at quantitative, numerically verifiable data, from all relevant standpoints. I don't live in a world where cherry picking and hyperbole is necessary to sustain a personal opinion on the nature of reality.Exactly... and I am reporting my feelings based on my definitions. Already been over this. Don't care. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Entertaining yourself? Maybe I will make you spend hours pulling up quotes from different times just to keep you busy. You are always wrong... give me 50 posts to try and prove otherwise. Deadline is 5 pm EDT. Enjoy your day. Oh and August looks nicer than you led me to believe at one point in time. I didn't say anything about how "nice" August would be, so any derivations and/or interpretations you made in that regard are of your own doing, and have no relevance to me whatsoever. I don't forecast within context of a Tim "niceness index". I'm a scientist, not a gypsy. Understand? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 I didn't say anything about how "nice" August would be, so any derivations and/or interpretations you made in that regard are of your own doing, and have no relevance to me whatsoever. I don't forecast within context of a Tim "niceness index". I'm a scientist, not a gypsy. Understand?Yep... stop trying. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Yep... stop trying.#irony Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 #ironyYou just flipped out today. And you know what... my comment still stands. August looking better than I was thinking based on your earlier comments. Oh wells. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Sorry, but you've been severely obnoxious and obtuse recently, even by your standards, and this is coming from someone who has observed you for years. Just the way it goes sometimes. Phil brought that on with the July crap. I never had a read on August and never pushed anything. Going with the flow this month. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Phil brought that on with the July crap. I never had a read on August and never pushed anything. Going with the flow this month.Stop dragging me back into this s**t. You started it with a laughably transparent, backhanded troll attempt at me. Normally I'd ignore it but you've been a relentless pain in my butt all summer and I'm low on patience. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Stop dragging me back into this s**t. You started it with a laughably transparent, backhanded troll attempt at me.Normally I'd ignore it but you've been a relentless pain in my butt all summer and I'm low on patience.You did it today. You could not handle one simple opinion. You have been doing this all summer when we clearly were talking about different things. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 In defense of Phil... He predicted we would see a major anomalous GOA ridge this summer and we most certainly have. The anomaly has been impressive in it's intensity and duration. Good call. Nobody has ever challenged that fact. And it was not challenged today. He just freaked out again with a simple comment about August looking nicer than I thought based on his posts back in July. So simple. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 You did it today. You could not handle one simple opinion. You have been doing this all summer when we clearly were talking about different things. No, you just changed what you were talking about when it started becoming clear you were wrong about the overall summer pattern. :) :) :) :) And it is obvious to everyone but you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 No, you just changed what you were talking about when it started becoming clear you were wrong about the overall summer pattern. :) :) :) :) And it is obvious to everyone but you.Incorrect. Regime change came early. I switched to looking locally based on new set of analogs. Said it many times. I probably made the mistake early on of thinking local results would be more representative of the entire region. Phil was looking at the big picture and I was just looking at the expected results locally and both ended up correct. We should be giving credit to each other instead of arguing about forecasting for different things. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 Incorrect. Regime change came early. I switched to looking locally based on new set of analogs. Said it many times. I probably made the mistake early on of thinking local results would be more representative of the entire region. Phil was looking at the big picture and I was just looking at the expected results locally and both ended up correct. We should be giving credit to each other instead of arguing about forecasting for different things.I agree with this. We'll have to stop the stealthy, backhanded digs at one another if the bolded is to become reality, however. Deal? Are we capable of that? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 I agree with this. We'll have to stop the stealthy, backhanded digs at one another if the bolded is to become reality, however.Deal? Are we capable of that?DEAL! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 I smell bullshit! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 I smell bullshit!Yeah, not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 At least we can make an effort. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Here is a much better representation of the last 90 days...Remember, that's actually the preliminary data (before all quality control measures). Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Remember, that's actually the preliminary data (before all quality control measures). Looks better than the NOAA map up here. Its clearly been above normal for JJA for the Puget Sound region up into Vancouver Island. The NOAA map shows its all below normal up here and that is just plain wrong. Every month has been above normal. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Color wars! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Looks better than the NOAA map up here. Its clearly been above normal for JJA for the Puget Sound region up into Vancouver Island. The NOAA map shows its all below normal up here and that is just plain wrong. Every month has been above normal.The NOAA map overly smoothed, yes. The purpose is to depict regional temperature anomalies on a broad scale, rather than smaller scale variations. The dominant trough position this summer has been over the PNW. I don't think anyone can deny this, looking at the 500mb height anomalies. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Bellingham as an example... its been getting warmer as the summer as progressed. June +1.9 July +2.0 August +2.6 Side note... the last 9 days of May included in the maps above were also above normal there. The last third of May as about +2.0 there. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 The NOAA map overly smoothed, yes. The purpose is to depict regional temperature anomalies on a broad scale, rather than smaller scale variations. The dominant trough position this summer has been over the PNW. I don't think anyone can deny this, looking at the 500mb height anomalies. Nobody is talking about the 500mb pattern. Talking about temperatures. Its been solidly above normal at every station in the Puget Sound region for the last 3 months... same with Vancouver Island and lower BC. Even OLM has been above normal every month this summer. The map I posted is much better representation up here for actual surface temperatures. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Uh, BLI has been a monstrous outlier to the majority of the region (even the I-5 corridor) this summer. Why reference a station that's been largely unrepresentative of the region? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Uh, BLI has been a monstrous outlier to the majority of the region (even the I-5 corridor) this summer. Why reference a station that's been largely unrepresentative of the region? SEA and WFO SEA have been about the same. Vancouver Island is even warmer. There is no station from Olympia northward that has been below normal this summer. Every station has been above normal for every month. Can't paint that blue. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Nobody is talking about the 500mb pattern. Talking about temperatures. Its been solidly above normal at every station in the Puget Sound region for the last 3 months... same with Vancouver Island and lower BC. Even OLM has been above normal every month this summer. The map I posted is much better representation up here for actual surface temperatures.You're completely missing the point. The NOAA map is designed to (and was in reference to) measure(d) temperatures on a broader scale to reflect systematic tendencies and behaviors through the summer. Not small scale variations. The maps you're referencing don't even depict official, quality controlled data. Just preliminary anomalies. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Uh, BLI has been a monstrous outlier to the majority of the region (even the I-5 corridor) this summer. Why reference a station that's been largely unrepresentative of the region?Most major stations on the I-5 corridor have been above average all three months. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 SEA: June +2.6 July +1.1 August +2.4 WFO SEA: June +2.6 July +1.1 August +2.1 Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 SEA NWS has climate records on 6 stations. Every station for every month this summer has been above normal. That is 18 out of 18. (6 stations X 3 months) Not one below normal month at even one station. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 He's busting out the bolds!!! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Most major stations on the I-5 corridor have been above average all three months.July was not cooler than June at most locations, even along the I-5 corridor. All of this is, again, irrelevant to the point I was making initially. A certain few people here are just allergic to facts. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 He's busting out the bolds!!!No way to argue it. Simple math. 18 out of 18. Even includes a station like Quillayute that is so far removed from any UHI effect that a bear breathing would have more of an impact that any human development. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 SEA NWS has climate records on 6 stations. Every station for every month this summer has been above normal. That is 18 out of 18. (6 stations X 3 months) Not one below normal month at even one station. Did I argue otherwise? No. Read back to my initial post. You're literally arguing with the air in your head. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Amazing how Tim will do everything in his power to start a fight, even if it means contradicting himself in the process. June 10 - Aug 10 was troughy and cool overall... even more so down there.So, was it troughy and cool? Or warm, humid, and ridgy? Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Did I argue otherwise? No. Read back to my initial post. You're literally arguing with the air in your head. If you are to paint a map of surface temperature anomalies across our region (and for Vancouver Island and lower BC) this summer... it has to be on the warm side of average. We all live on the surface! And you can't use UHI either... even the non-UHI stations have been above normal. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 My post clearly isn't in reference to anomalies specific to the I-5 corridor. Context. Not sure what provoked this nonsense. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Amazing how Tim will do everything in his power to start a fight, even if it means contradicting himself in the process. So, was it troughy and cool? Or warm, humid, and ridgy? Each month was above normal. Not saying anything right now about troughy. It was troughy overall from June 10 - August 10. And still above normal for EACH MONTH. You cannot argue 18 out of 18. Every station... every month. Above normal. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 23, 2016 Report Share Posted August 23, 2016 Troughy, cool, ridgy, and warm at the same time! Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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