California is still pretty nice outside the urban areas. You just need to get away from all the people/civilization. I used to live in the SF Bay Area. Was a total armpit, and a testament to the notion that money can't buy taste. Then again, I find every American city to be completely unlivable and beyond the pale.

I feel stupid but I was thinking the OP was antimarimrelayer. I know nothing about living in Tahoe. nevermind. Move along

I don’t see how you guys find that area livable anymore. I bailed out 20 years ago because it was shltty then. I remember 80 degree Christmas and no more thunder storms. Over crowding ,loss of natural spaces, beaches unusable from crowds, ungodly prices for everything not to mention Real estate. Now, growing up I remember plenty of room on the beaches, opens spaces in the mountains, hiking the streams in the hills in the hills of Orange Co. Evenings at Disneyland for less than $20 a person and tourist daughters everywhere. Snow in the morning and a fire on the beach on Christmas Day. Plus every D**n concert you could think of. It was a great upbringing but utterly unlivable now. I left when my townhouse had doubled in value in two years. I used that as seed money to relocate here. Couldn’t be happier.

Last time we had measurable snow here was Jan 18th and the messed up part is I kinda want to make it a full year. I mean what's another 20 something days?

Merry Christmas everyone!