November 2018 Weather in the Pacific Northwest

[SilverFallsAndrew]

NWS Spokane said the upper level low is further north than what the models had been advertising.

 

There go our snow chances!

[TT-SEA]

NWS Spokane said the upper level low is further north than what the models had been advertising.

 

They need to follow the ECMWF surface maps.

 

The 12Z ECMWF shows the low slightly farther south than the 00Z run.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

They need to follow the ECMWF surface maps.

 

The 12Z ECMWF shows the low slightly farther south than the 00Z run.

 

Let's see those infallible EURO snow maps.

[ShawniganLake]

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

What about the end of the Euro run?  It looks like there is a system in the area, but I can't tell from Tidbits if it stays offshore or if it moves inland.

[TT-SEA]

What about the end of the Euro run?  It looks like there is a system in the area, but I can't tell from Tidbits if it stays offshore or if it moves inland.

 

Snow over the next 10 days per the 12Z ECMWF:

 

 

 

System arrives on day 10 but its splitting... main energy focused down in CA.

 

[TT-SEA]

Let's see those infallible EURO snow maps.

 

 

Does saying its the best model available mean its infallible?  

 

Does it anger you that the Europeans created a model that does better with surface features than the other models?  

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

A lot different than th

 

Snow over the next 10 days per the 12Z ECMWF:

 

 

 

System arrives on day 10 but its splitting... main energy focused down in CA.

 

The last El Nino was a lot different for us, December was quite active.  I remember reading that a stronger Nino actually led to a more active early winter (at least for the mountains and for where I live) than a weaker El Nino.  I think Cliff Mass talked about that.  

[Brian_in_Leavenworth]

BTW, live coverage of the Anchorage earthquake here:

 

https://www.ktva.com/livestream

 

And a live aftershock while I was watching, they all went under their desks.  

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Does saying its the best model available mean its infallible?  

 

Does it anger you that the Europeans created a model that does better with surface features than the other models?  

 

Depends on where in Europe. If it was Eastern Europe then I'm cool with it.

[TT-SEA]

Depends on where in Europe. If it was Eastern Europe then I'm cool with it.

 

Based in the UK.

 

Deal with it.  

[Jesse]

Depends on where in Europe. If it was Eastern Europe then I'm cool with it.

I

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Based in the UK.

 

Deal with it.  

 

UK is OK. They did vote for Brexit. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I

 

Poland and Hungary are the best.

 

What's funny is I am actually cool with the Scandinavian countries for the most part. Generally they actually rank higher on the economic freedom index than the US, large social safety net doesn't have to equal totally socialist economic policy.

 

Plus all that cold and snow!

[ShawniganLake]

UK is OK. They did vote for Brexit.

I like the UK because they hate Trump.

[Jesse]

What's funny is I am actually cool with the Scandinavian countries for the most part. Generally they actually rank higher on the economic freedom index than the US, large social safety net doesn't have to equal totally socialist economic policy.

 

Plus all that cold and snow!

It’s to bad we have nowhere to talk about politics anymore since this might be an interesting discussion. But generally I agree. Unfortunately Trump is moving us nowhere near Scandinavian style policies. Opposite direction if anything.

[TT-SEA]

I like the UK because they hate Trump.

Trump said this week that the oceans are small and they are "at a record clean".

 

Any intelligent person has to just cringe when the man talks. Even if you love absolutely every one of his policies... he still has to make you cringe if you speak proper English and have any semblance of intelligence.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

It’s to bad we have nowhere to talk about politics anymore since this might be an interesting discussion. But generally I agree. Unfortunately Trump is moving us nowhere near Scandinavian style policies. Opposite direction if anything.

 

I worked in the cold an snow comment to keep it weather related. 

 

I do think there are major challenges to implementing Scandinavian policies in the US, the US population is so much larger which makes the scale of what would need to be done pretty daunting. But overall I support a healthy social safety net, I would be happier to pay higher rates in taxes if I knew that there would be limited regulation if I wanted to start a small business, and that if my money would be going to provide health care, support people in need, or build infrastructure as opposed to helping pay the $1 million a year in retirement benefits to a retired football coach...

[Jesse]

Trump said this week that the oceans are small and they are "at a record clean".

 

Any intelligent person has to just cringe when the man talks. Even if you love absolutely every one of his policies... he still has to make you cringe if you speak proper English and have any semblance of intelligence.

As usual you are focusing on the wrong crap. Focus on policy, not personality. Attacking his personality you aren’t even going to make a dent, because obviously his supporters don’t give a . Plus it’s just lazy and easy. Educate yourself on policy.

[TT-SEA]

As usual you are focusing on the wrong crap. Focus on policy, not personality. Attacking his personality you aren’t even going to make a dent, because obviously his supporters don’t give a s**t. Plus it’s just lazy and easy. Educate yourself on policy.

 

 

I know... well aware.   

 

I am just saying that even those people who love him so much still have to cringe when he talks.   

[van city]

I like the UK because they hate Trump.

Don't they all hate Trump?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Trump said this week that the oceans are small and they are "at a record clean".

 

Any intelligent person has to just cringe when the man talks. Even if you absolutely love every one of his policies... he still has to make you cringe if you speak proper English and have any semblance of intelligence.

 

He is an imperfect vessel...

 

Bizarrely I don't think he would have won without his insanity, he's great at getting people worked up, on both sides, but also his own side. Rubio for instance would have looked weak and Hillary would have wiped the floor with him. 

 

Okay, okay back to weather...

[Jesse]

I worked in the cold an snow comment to keep it weather related.

 

I do think there are major challenges to implementing Scandinavian policies in the US, the US population is so much larger which makes the scale of what would need to be done pretty daunting. But overall I support a healthy social safety net, I would be happier to pay higher rates in taxes if I knew that there would be limited regulation if I wanted to start a small business, and that if my money would be going to provide health care, support people in need, or build infrastructure as opposed to helping pay the $1 million a year in retirement benefits to a retired football coach...

Again, I pretty much agree. That puzzle is, why do you support Trump when it’s clear that he is moving us nowhere near anything resembling a stronger social safety net? Do you just find that the Democratic Party so distasteful these days that you are supporting him to make some sort of statement? Essentially trolling our democracy.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I know... well aware.   

 

I am just saying that even those people who love him so much still have to cringe when he talks.   

 

I do...He's also an incessant whiner.

 

Don't they all hate Trump?

 

They love Trump in Eastern Europe. 

[Jesse]

I know... well aware.

 

I am just saying that even those people who love him so much still have to cringe when he talks.

We get it. You are obsessed with his personality just like the media. Big part of why he won.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Again, I pretty much agree. That puzzle is, why do you support Trump when it’s clear that he is moving us nowhere near anything resembling a stronger social safety net? Do you just find that the Democratic Party so distasteful these days that you are supporting him to make some sort of statement? Essentially trolling our democracy.

 

Yes. 

 

Funny story though. I voted for a Democrat candidate for congress in the midterms... I also supported Wyden in 2016. So theoretically I would vote for a Democrat candidate for President, though I never have.

[Jesse]

Yes.

 

Funny story though. I voted for a Democrat candidate for congress in the midterms...

Doesn’t surprise me. You are probably a lot more open minded than your alter ego here would imply. True for a lot of us.

[TT-SEA]

We get it. You are obsessed with his personality just like the media. Big part of why he won.

 

 

Not obsessed now.    

 

But watching him being interviewed this week just made me laugh out loud.    My 8-year old daughter can put words together in a far more coherent manner than Trump... and maintain a much more focused stream of thought.    And then Trump brags about his superior intelligence and his brain.      

[Jesse]

ALRIGHT, BACK TO WEATHER.

 

I guess these posts could get moved to the spurts/banter thread if need be.

[Jesse]

Not obsessed now.

 

But watching him being interviewed this week just made laugh out loud. My 8-year old daughter can put words together in a far more coherent manner than Trump... and maintain a much more focused stream of thought. And then Trump brags about his superior intelligence and his brain.

And our climate is just comically wet. :lol:

[Jesse]

[FroYoBro]

I will enjoy our 3 day winter coming up. Hopefully spring will have some hail. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Sunbreaks and low 50s today. Where is my all day overcast/rain with highs in the 40s?

 

Just wait for March and April!

[TT-SEA]

Sunbreaks and low 50s today. Where is my all day overcast/rain with highs in the 40s?

 

 

You need to get access to the ECMWF surface maps.    You would have known this was coming and that the main rain event is later this afternoon and tonight.  

[TT-SEA]

12Z EPS:

 

5-10 day period...

 

 

 

 

10-15 day period...

 

 

[stuffradio]

Doesn’t surprise me. You are probably a lot more open minded than your alter ego here would imply. True for a lot of us.

Does this mean your alter ego actually LIKES droughts?

[Jesse]

You need to get access to the ECMWF surface maps. You would have known this was coming and that the main rain event is later this afternoon and tonight.

Nah. It’s pretty clear the stuff ahead of the main system has been weaker than advertised. happens.

[Jesse]

Just wait for March and April!

I’m feeling a warm and dry early to mid spring. Maybe we’ll get lucky and see a pattern change to cooler/wetter later in April into June.

[TT-SEA]

That 10-15 day 850mb map looks like it shifted the focus of warmth east a few notches.

That period does move forward each day.

[ShawniganLake]

Looks pretty convective to the east of Vancouver of the north. Reports of hail and thunder.