Middle East Conflict of 2023-2024 (Also including the protests related to this)

[Iceresistance]

Excuse me, what?
 

Washington School Reportedly Scraps Veterans Day Assembly, Replaces It with UN-Sponsored 'Day of Tolerance' (msn.com)

[roadtonowhere08]

5 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Wow, big copy and paste, like my Marxist posts. 

I thought of you when I did it 

[Iceresistance]

Who is saying that Israel is preventing the Palestinians from leaving the city to the south??

And you see the Merkava Tank? It's there to keep the peace

[Anti Marine Layer]

16 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

Excuse me, what?
 

Washington School Reportedly Scraps Veterans Day Assembly, Replaces It with UN-Sponsored 'Day of Tolerance' (msn.com)

Here are the woke versions of the American holidays

New Year's Day - Woke Resolution Day

Martin Luther King Jr. Day - Ibram X. Kendi Day

Presidents Day - Barack Obama Remembrance Day

Memorial Day - George Floyd Remembrance Day

Independence Day - Decolonization Day

Labor Day - Teachers Union Celebration Day

Columbus Day - Indigenous Peoples Day

Veterans Day - World Day of Tolerance

Thanksgiving Day - White Guilt Confession Day

Christmas Day - Post Winter Solstice Holiday

[Iceresistance]

Now this is EXCACTLY what I was hoping for!
 

Gazans turn on Hamas as food shortage fuels disorder (msn.com)

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Israeli Civil and Human Rights Degrade in a Time of War

[SnarkyGoblin]

13 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Israeli Civil and Human Rights Degrade in a Time of War

It really makes you wonder how the US would act against its citizens in a full scale war/invasion, particularly foreign citizens.  Post 9/11 was already pretty bad.

Reimagined Japanese internment camps is almost a guarantee.  Andrew can't be alone with his opinions of blaming people of actions who are not responsible for said actions.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

It really makes you wonder how the US would act against its citizens in a full scale war/invasion, particularly foreign citizens.  Post 9/11 was already pretty bad.

Reimagined Japanese internment camps is almost a guarantee.  Andrew can't be alone with his opinions of blaming people of actions who are not responsible for said actions.

Given I am old enough to remember 9/11 and the fact there was no widespread anti-Muslim backlash after that event, I do not believe it would be as bad as you think. Yes, there were some isolated incidents after 9/11, but by and large people went out of their way to excuse Muslims living in the United States. President Bush even declared Islam was a "Religion of Peace.."

[Rubus Leucodermis]

20 hours ago, Iceresistance said:

I mean, anything to reduce civilian casualties and maybe to increase trust between Israel and Palestine would work.

Elon Musk says Israel should try to thwart Hamas with 'conspicuous acts of kindness' in Gaza (msn.com)

Even stopped clocks are right twice daily.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

Given I am old enough to remember 9/11 and the fact there was no widespread anti-Muslim backlash after that event, I do not believe it would be as bad as you think. Yes, there were some isolated incidents after 9/11, but by and large people went out of their way to excuse Muslims living in the United States. President Bush even declared Islam was a "Religion of Peace.."

Well, there it is. Incontrovertible evidence that parallel universes exist and that there are portals between them.

Meanwhile, in this timeline:

Islamophobia After 9/11: How a fearmongering fringe movement exploited the terror attacks to gain political power

[SilverFallsAndrew]

What I found remarkable in the wake of 9/11 was how common it was to hear an American explicitly say they did not blame Muslims for the attack and rebuke any backlash against them. Yet very few Muslims came out and denounced the attacks. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Reimagined Japanese internment camps is almost a guarantee.  Andrew can't be alone with his opinions of blaming people of actions who are not responsible for said actions.

Shamefully, Canada was even worse in regard to the treatment of its Japanese citizens during WWII. Canada simply seized their property without compensation and herded them into concentration camps. At the least the USA let its Japanese citizens liquidate their property into cash before being herded into camps. (Often at fire-sale prices that fell far short of just compensation at fair market value, but still better than outright confiscation.)

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, there it is. Incontrovertible evidence that parallel universes exist and that there are portals between them.

Meanwhile, in this timeline:

Islamophobia After 9/11: How a fearmongering fringe movement exploited the terror attacks to gain political power

You just linked to a fringe left wing hate group. I'm going to take this about as seriously as you would take a Post Millennial link. 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

Just now, SilverFallsAndrew said:

You just linked to a fringe left wing hate group. I'm going to take this about as seriously as you would take a Post Millennial link. 

Well, all righty then.

I'm sure you would have considered MLK a left-wing terrorist in 1963.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Shamefully, Canada was even worse in regard to the treatment of its Japanese citizens during WWII. Canada simply seized their property without compensation and herded them into concentration camps. At the least the USA let its Japanese citizens liquidate their property into cash before being herded into camps. (Often at fire-sale prices that fell far short of just compensation at fair market value, but still better than outright confiscation.)

Prior to the war many of the orchards in the Hood River Valley were owned by Japanese farmers. It was a really unfortunate circumstance, definitely a mistake, the interned Japanese as a whole were extremely loyal Americans and showed this after the war by fully integrating back into American society, and I think we as a whole recognize a great injustice was done them. 

I have been to many of these camps as my wife's grandmother was Japanese, so she always wants to stop and check them out. Of course her grandmother was not in any camp, she spent WWII in Japan.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, all righty then.

I'm sure you would have considered MLK a left-wing terrorist in 1963.

SPLC is a left wing partisan organization which exists to smear people with whom the left disagrees. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, there it is. Incontrovertible evidence that parallel universes exist and that there are portals between them.

Meanwhile, in this timeline:

Islamophobia After 9/11: How a fearmongering fringe movement exploited the terror attacks to gain political power

Same old SPLC that considers pro-lifers, evangelical Christians and parents who are concerned about what their children are learning in school members of hate groups. 

 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

2 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

SPLC is a left wing partisan organization which exists to smear people with whom the left disagrees. 

Cry harder.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, all righty then.

I'm sure you would have considered MLK a left-wing terrorist in 1963.

As for MLK, not sure what that reference has to do with anything. I wasn't alive then, so we will never know. My parents were though, and they always seemed to like him. Recently quite a bit of new information has come to life about Dr. King which casts him in a much more complicated light. I read a good article about that recently the personal Dr. King and the private Dr. King who was aware of his own faults and demons, but understood what he must project to the public for the movement to succeed, and really broken by the weight of that responsibility. An interesting perspective, and a very real one, even the greatest men are deeply flawed as we all are, in a way understanding this makes their achievements even more impressive.

[Deweydog]

22 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Even stopped clocks are right twice daily.

Three times a day six days ago.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 minute ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Cry harder.

Go whip yourself for all the horrible things your ancestors did. LOL

[Iceresistance]

1 minute ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

As for MLK, not sure what that reference has to do with anything. I wasn't alive then, so we will never know. My parents were though, and they always seemed to like him. Recently quite a bit of new information has come to life about Dr. King which casts him in a much more complicated light. I read a good article about that recently the personal Dr. King and the private Dr. King who was aware of his own faults and demons, but understood what he must project to the public for the movement to succeed, and really broken by the weight of that responsibility. An interesting perspective, and a very real one, even the greatest men are deeply flawed as we all are, in a way understanding this makes their achievements even more impressive.

MLK also refused violence even after being targeted with violence, which helped us realize. "Why are we doing this to unarmed people?"

(Also, we need to go back to the Middle East conflict)

[Rubus Leucodermis]

3 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

As for MLK, not sure what that reference has to do with anything. I wasn't alive then, so we will never know. My parents were though, and they always seemed to like him. Recently quite a bit of new information has come to life about Dr. King which casts him in a much more complicated light. I read a good article about that recently the personal Dr. King and the private Dr. King who was aware of his own faults and demons, but understood what he must project to the public for the movement to succeed, and really broken by the weight of that responsibility. An interesting perspective, and a very real one, even the greatest men are deeply flawed as we all are, in a way understanding this makes their achievements even more impressive.

MLK was widely attacked for being a Communist during his lifetime by those who opposed him. (He wasn't one, but he was attacked for allegedly being one.)

[Andie]

He was complicated indeed. Many conflicting aspects in his life and lifestyle. Same can be said of the Kennedy’s, FDR, and many public figures. Who can stand up to the klieg lights if history?   
In the end the long standing accomplishments are the best of them. The rest wholly human.  

[Andie]

Brandon Poulter
Daily Caller News Foundation

A Ukrainian military officer involved with the country’s intelligence services allegedly played a leading role in the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines in 2022, sources familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

Roman Chervinsky, a 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukrainian Special Forces, was the “coordinator” of the operation to blow up the pipeline, according to the Post. Chervinsky’s role allegedly involved managing logistics for the team that rented a sailboat and used diving equipment to plant explosives on the pipelines.

https://www.wnd.com/2023/11/senior-ukrainian-military-officer-behind-nord-stream-pipeline-attack/

[Rubus Leucodermis]

2 hours ago, Andie said:

Brandon Poulter
Daily Caller News Foundation

A Ukrainian military officer involved with the country’s intelligence services allegedly played a leading role in the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines in 2022, sources familiar with the matter told The Washington Post.

Roman Chervinsky, a 48-year-old colonel who served in Ukrainian Special Forces, was the “coordinator” of the operation to blow up the pipeline, according to the Post. Chervinsky’s role allegedly involved managing logistics for the team that rented a sailboat and used diving equipment to plant explosives on the pipelines.

https://www.wnd.com/2023/11/senior-ukrainian-military-officer-behind-nord-stream-pipeline-attack/

Original Washington Post article:

https://wapo.st/40AKnmx

[Rubus Leucodermis]

And really, this should not be a surprise. There have been rumors of this ever since the attack happened.

Really, who would have the biggest interest in such an attack at the time? The dominant narrative that it must have been Russians trying to starve the West of gas really did not make so much sense. Why would the Russian state blow up the assets of its own state company? Simply order that company to turn the taps off. Far simpler, not to mention less expensive.

P.S. Just realized what forum this is. Follow-ups should probably go to the general politics thread.

[Andie]

The attack occurred in Northern Europe Continental waters and Ukraine is a nebulous area. Suits Russian, No. Middle East, even Eastern Europe.  A real odd ball.
Probably why it’s been a bone of contention for centuries.  

[SnarkyGoblin]

No islamophobia after 9/11 and white supremacy doesn't exist in this country.  

I want to live in the world @SilverFallsAndrew thinks he lives in.

[roadtonowhere08]

26 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

No islamophobia after 9/11 and white supremacy doesn't exist in this country.  

I want to live in the world @SilverFallsAndrew thinks he lives in.

There were many cases where Sikhs were targeted after 9/11.  American dumbasses couldn't even take their racist anger out on the right people!

Crime against a group of people rises after any major negative event where they are seen as the perpetrator.  It's as old as humanity.  We aren't complicated, and emotions are easily preyed upon.

[hawkstwelve]

On 11/10/2023 at 6:19 PM, Iceresistance said:

Excuse me, what?
 

Washington School Reportedly Scraps Veterans Day Assembly, Replaces It with UN-Sponsored 'Day of Tolerance' (msn.com)

And this is just one of many reasons why we decided to leave Washington state. 

Still so glad that we did. 

[Andie]

It’s the lack of tolerance for differing perspectives and culture that amaze me.   
I tolerate their woke ways.  
But they have no tolerance for others.  They’d better prepare for a wave of Conservative Catholics because the southern border has seen tens of thousands of them. 
Hispanics are by and large Catholic and that usually teaches conservative principles.  
Left governments have destroyed their countries through dictatorship so don’t expect them all to jump on the woke wagon.  Some will be brought onboard through handouts but they’re smarter than many know and they know the pitfalls of leftist administrations.  
They’ll take the handouts but they’ll be cautious how they vote.  The Hispanic culture is family based and generally conservative.  I grew up with them and am married in to one.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

27 minutes ago, Andie said:

It’s the lack of tolerance for differing perspectives and culture that amaze me.   
I tolerate their woke ways.  
But they have no tolerance for others.  They’d better prepare for a wave of Conservative Catholics because the southern border has seen tens of thousands of them. 
Hispanics are by and large Catholic and that usually teaches conservative principles.  
Left governments have destroyed their countries through dictatorship so don’t expect them all to jump on the woke wagon.  Some will be brought onboard through handouts but they’re smarter than many know and they know the pitfalls of leftist administrations.  
They’ll take the handouts but they’ll be cautious how they vote.  The Hispanic culture is family based and generally conservative.  I grew up with them and am married in to one.  

Which Mideast nation has a large Hispanic population?

[Andie]

Guess you missed the point.  I won’t labor over it.  Moving on.  

[Andie]

[Stormy]

Watch the videos in this article.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/idf-releases-proof-hamas-tunnel-system-under-gaza/

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, Stormy said:

Watch the videos in this article.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/idf-releases-proof-hamas-tunnel-system-under-gaza/

a) Wouldn't completely surprise me.

b) I will wait for independent confirmation from more disinterested sources before coming to any firm conclusions.

c) The video really isn't very good evidence of what it claims to be showing. There are so many cuts in it. Now, if it had shown uncut footage going into a tunnel well away from the hospital, into obvious underground military bunkers, and then up to inside the hospital, then it would show something. But it does not.

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

a) Wouldn't completely surprise me.

b) I will wait for independent confirmation from more disinterested sources before coming to any firm conclusions.

c) The video really isn't very good evidence of what it claims to be showing. There are so many cuts in it. Now, if it had shown uncut footage going into a tunnel well away from the hospital, into obvious underground military bunkers, and then up to inside the hospital, then it would show something. But it does not.

Both lie to suit their goals.  I am sure there are tunnels everywhere in Gaza (it makes perfect sense militarily), but I'll be damned if I take the IDF's word on pretty much anything.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

2 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Both lie to suit their goals.  I am sure there are tunnels everywhere in Gaza (it makes perfect sense militarily), but I'll be damned if I take the IDF's word on pretty much anything.

Rule No. 1 about governments is that they lie. PARTICULARLY during times of war. First casualty and all that.

[Iceresistance]

The 'genocide' debate in Gaza (msn.com)