Middle East Conflict of 2023-2024 (Also including the protests related to this)

[Rubus Leucodermis]

43 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

The Old Testament slaughtering of the child-sacrificing paganistic Canaanites was God's judgment using Israel as a tool. He could have just rained down fire and brimstone on them to do it faster, but He didn't want to do it that quickly so they could have a chance to repent. There were many warnings of the impending doom, but they ignored them and probably just called them "Jewish nationalists". Also converting to Judaism would also be a way to save your life back then. Some of them did. Much better than continuing to sacrifice babies to statues.

Well, if literally interpreting one’s pet religious text of choice is a justification, then once again, we have nothing to morally distinguish ourselves from Hamas.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926

But wait, that’s someone ELSE doing it, so it matters then.

[Anti Marine Layer]

41 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Well, if literally interpreting one’s pet religious text of choice is a justification, then once again, we have nothing to morally distinguish ourselves from Hamas.

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2926

But wait, that’s someone ELSE doing it, so it matters then.

Allah never spoke to them and gave them permission to carry out 9/11/2001 and 10/7/2023 though or promised them any land for it. 

That passage from the Koran is also too vague. It does not explain why they were supposed to kill the Jews. Nor does it refer to a specific group of people in a specific time in history.

Moses had reasons why the Jews were supposed to get rid of the evil people around them. If not, they would have given into the mobmentality and become just as evil as they were.

[roadtonowhere08]

2 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Allah never spoke to them and gave them permission to carry out 9/11/2001 and 10/7/2023 though or promised them any land for it. 

I bet if you talked to them, they might tell you otherwise.

But that's beside the point.

Using holy scripture that has been altered throughout its creation to suit those in power to justify actions that violate the Golden Rule is broadcasting to others that you are not a true believer and a failure in whatever religion you follow.

The only real point of religion is to ensure its followers live as peaceful and virtuous lives as possible while being kind to fellow humans.  Any deviation from that is a bastardization of its intent.

A non-religious person teaching a religious person the single point of religion.  Imagine that. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

41 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

I bet if you talked to them, they might tell you otherwise.

But that's beside the point.

Using holy scripture that has been altered throughout its creation to suit those in power to justify actions that violate the Golden Rule is broadcasting to others that you are not a true believer and a failure in whatever religion you follow.

The only real point of religion is to ensure its followers live as peaceful and virtuous lives as possible while being kind to fellow humans.  Any deviation from that is a bastardization of its intent.

A non-religious person teaching a religious person the single point of religion.  Imagine that. 

It also says if you deny any of the Scriptures, such as that God gave the Jews the Promised Land, you're not a true believer.

Basically it says, God created all people and He is the one who determines when they die. It also says the wages of sin is death. If you kill someone without an explicit command from Him to do so, that is called murder since He is the one who is in charge of life and death. Some situations are not murder such as the death penalty. The people they wiped out were evil beyond description. They needed to be conquered or the Jews would have become just as wicked as them and there would be no decent people left on earth. 

No other holy book says there is nothing you can do to save yourself no matter how good you try to be. It's all mercy and grace. Every other religion says you're saved by works or doing more good things than bad things. If a person is found guilty of theft, he can't defend himself or get out of prison by telling the judge all of the good things he has ever done.

The only way to escape eternal death is to believe in Jesus who lived a sinless life, was crucified to pay for the sins of believers and rose from the dead, therefore conquering death. He promises that this will result in your sanctification, which is the lifelong process of becoming holy. It also says there will be results and a change in your life, since faith without works is dead.

The resurrection would be a crazy thing for the disciples to make up, knowing how much they were willing to suffer and die for it. Nobody would be willing to suffer as much as they did and die because of a tall tale.

Also the Bible has more evidence for its accuracy than most famous historical texts. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that it was not altered.

 

 

[roadtonowhere08]

18 minutes ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

It also says if you deny any of the Scriptures, such as that God gave the Jews the Promised Land, you're not a true believer.

Basically it says, God created all people and He is the one who determines when they die. It also says the wages of sin is death. If you kill someone without an explicit command from Him to do so, that is called murder since He is the one who is in charge of life and death. Some situations are not murder such as the death penalty. The people they wiped out were evil beyond description. They needed to be conquered or the Jews would have become just as wicked as them and there would be no decent people left on earth. 

No other holy book says there is nothing you can do to save yourself no matter how good you try to be. It's all mercy and grace. Every other religion says you're saved by works or doing more good things than bad things. If a person is found guilty of theft, he can't defend himself or get out of prison by telling the judge all of the good things he has ever done.

The only way to escape eternal death is to believe in Jesus who lived a sinless life, was crucified to pay for the sins of believers and rose from the dead, therefore conquering death. He promises that this will result in your sanctification, which is the lifelong process of becoming holy. It also says there will be results and a change in your life, since faith without works is dead.

The resurrection would be a crazy thing for the disciples to make up, knowing how much they were willing to suffer and die for it. Nobody would be willing to suffer as much as they did and die because of a tall tale.

Also the Bible has more evidence for its accuracy than most famous historical texts. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that it was not altered.

 

 

Equal parts naivety and mental gymnastics.

Wow, you have made a great case for why I chose not to be religious, especially Christian. 

You think Satan will turn the air conditioner on for me?

[roadtonowhere08]

Gotta cover up them war crimes:

Al Jazeera office raided as Israel takes channel off air

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68961753

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Oh look our little den of antisemitism. Looks like the end is near for Rafa. I am reminded though, of the story of Ninevah. God may yet spare the folx in Rafa. 

[roadtonowhere08]

For my little Zionist supremacist buddy, Andrew:

 

“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell”

― Carl Sandburg

[roadtonowhere08]

One more for the road, my little ignorant troll:

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

4 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

One more for the road, my little ignorant troll:

 

I hear Biden is considering letting Palestinian refugees into this country so they can help him destroy our nation too. To paraphrase our former president, everything they touch turns to s*it. 

[roadtonowhere08]

45 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I hear Biden is considering letting Palestinian refugees into this country so they can help him destroy our nation too. To paraphrase our former president, everything they touch turns to s*it. 

Do you force your family to address you as "Mein Führer"?

Wem der Schuh passt, der soll ihn sich anziehen!

[roadtonowhere08]

It's interesting how trauma from the Holocaust manifests itself.

Some would say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

Wouldn't you agree, my hate-filled genocidal troll?

[SilverFallsAndrew]

1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

It's interesting how trauma from the Holocaust manifests itself.

Some would say that imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.

Wouldn't you agree, my hate-filled genocidal troll?

You seem very confused. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

4 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I hear Biden is considering letting Palestinian refugees into this country so they can help him destroy our nation too. To paraphrase our former president, everything they touch turns to s*it. 

Or as Dennis Prager often says "The left destroys everything it touches".

[Anti Marine Layer]

I probably was not clear enough yesterday, but when God commanded the Israelites to wipe out the Canaanites, he gave them explicit permission to do so, so it that case it would not have been murder. He is the one who is in charge of life and death, and He just used them as a tool to carry out His judgment. They also heard about all the miracles happening at that time and yet still continued to be rotten to the core, sacrificing their children by fire to idols and committing incest, bestiality and sodomy. The people had a chance to repent, and in the first city the Jews wiped out, Jericho, Rahab, a former prostitute, and her family did repent after hearing about the miracles and they believed and were spared. More information here.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Canaanites-extermination.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/life-Rahab.html

Also about the reliability of the Bible

https://www.gotquestions.org/trust-the-Bible.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-accurate.html

Again, people will say gotquestions.org is a far-right pseudo-science site,  but people can say what they want about it. It also takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution (given the complexity, diversity and beauty of the universe) or that Marxism could possibly work once the state withers away. Leftists continue to have faith that it can work, if they just get it right this time.

Also found an interesting video:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

It also takes a lot of faith to believe in evolution (given the complexity, diversity and beauty of the universe) or that Marxism could possibly work once the state withers away. Leftists continue to have faith that it can work, if they just get it right this time.

Also found an interesting video:

 

No, there are mountains of evidence to prove the concept of evolution.  If you are taking about human evolution, yeah, that's pretty much in the bag as well, but since we were not there to witness it firsthand, all we have is the evidence that we find, which, again, is very compelling.

As far as God is concerned, I follow the evidence.  There is NONE one way or the other.  That's why I can never be an atheist.  There's no proof to support that belief either. 

I just do not worry about it.  I follow the Golden Rule, and that is all I need.  If there is a God that wants to judge me for not being a believer, that is their problem and not mine, because I will just retort that they are rather needy to want a lowly human to believe.  Then I can burn in Hell with a clear conscience 

And if there is no God, well at least I did my best and that's that.

 

Finally, I already saw that video a long time ago.  It's pure nonsense.

Go on their website and read their stances on Israel.  Lead off "fact"? "The Israelis and the Palestinians are not morally equal"

A famous quote from her: “The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures,” Rand argued. “They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive, and they resent Israel because it's the sole beachhead of modern science and civilization on their continent.”

Fuq outta here with that ignorant colonial brain damage!

[roadtonowhere08]

From someone who has spent considerable time in Gaza, and not some armchair shlub.  Read this and tell me Israel is the victim with a straight face:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/opinions/israel-gaza-psychological-trauma-damon/index.html

 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Just now, roadtonowhere08 said:

From someone who has spent considerable time in Gaza, and not some armchair shlub.  Read this and tell me Israel is the victim with a straight face:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/05/opinions/israel-gaza-psychological-trauma-damon/index.html

 

Hmmmm... Guess they really shouldn't have invaded Israel on October 7th. 

[roadtonowhere08]

The bastards are actually going to do it.  On the day that they shut down Al Jazeera.  Guess all the war crimes caught on camera is not a good look:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-eastern-rafah-evacuation-notice-hnk-intl/index.html

I am in disbelief that the U.S. and the rest of the world has stood by and let this all happen.  History is not going to be kind to Israel.

I know California is going to Biden, but I will not vote for that piece of sh*t.  F*ck both Biden and Trump.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

6 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

The bastards are actually going to do it.  On the day that they shut down Al Jazeera.  Guess all the war crimes caught on camera is not a good look:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/israel-gaza-eastern-rafah-evacuation-notice-hnk-intl/index.html

I am in disbelief that the U.S. and the rest of the world has stood by and let this all happen.  History is not going to be kind to Israel.

I know California is going to Biden, but I will not vote for that piece of sh*t.  F*ck both Biden and Trump.

West or Stein?!

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

16 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

know California is going to Biden, but I will not vote for that piece of sh*t.  F*ck both Biden and Trump.

You should consider what affects you most.  I hope you would not have this same attitude if you were in a swing state 

Presidents allowing genocide to happen in other countries is not particularly new for us.  Doesn't make it right, but you are kinda acting like the world is falling.

[roadtonowhere08]

7 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

You should consider what affects you most.  I hope you would not have this same attitude if you were in a swing state 

Presidents allowing genocide to happen in other countries is not particularly new for us.  Doesn't make it right, but you are kinda acting like the world is falling.

What a rather short-sighted and callous statement.  It seems as if you have a lack of knowledge of the region and how it got that way.  For 2 million plus people, the world is falling, you doofus!

Thanks to the electoral college, as a resident of California, my vote does not matter whatsoever.  It is going to Biden with or without me.  And since no battleground state has ever gone down to one vote, my vote would not change the outcome in any state.

Since I had the foresight to invest at a young age, the selfish part of me would actually see that neither party is a risk to me and my interests, so I should not care who wins, since in the end, I will be fine.  I am lucky that, as a straight white male with a good job and steady income, I have the luxury to look out from my needs and see those of others.

That brings me to my main point in this thread, that you seem to not pick up on: In no other issue that I can recall in American culture is there an active, well funded, and highly influential lobbying establishment that has mastered the art of gaslighting to the point where anyone who is critical of the ones ones committing the genocide is accused of supporting genocide against them.  The evils of the Holocaust have been weaponized against those with a critical mind.  Those against Israel are automatically "Anti-Semitic" as if the Jews are the only D**n Semitic people on Earth.  This is a bi-partisan third rail that has been driven into the heads of people since the Zionist movement picked up steam.  Even many liberals are completely ignorant to this fact and just repeat what they hear.  And why wouldn't they?  The mainstream media sure hasn't deviated from that ideology.  It's national brainwashing.

Now look at all the other recent and ongoing genocides.  You think you are going to get called any names if you criticize the Chinese government for what they are doing to the Uyghurs?  What about Sudan?  Myanmar?  Rwanda?

That is my point!  

This issue is the perfect storm:

1. Holocaust guilt

2. Weaponizing the evils of the Holocaust by the Zionist movement

3. Bastardizing the term "Anti-Semitic"

4. Outright stealing Palestinian land by force/violence

5. American self interest in the region for many decades

6. Arabs being portrayed as animals due to resistance of and attacks on American/European interests (And yes, some countries have some backwards a** practices, especially toward women, but the point still stands)

And that is not even touching upon the direct funding and weapons shipments that go directly from us to the Israelis.  We give them weapons to directly kill innocent Palestinians.  Most Americans don't seem to care enough to raise an eyebrow.  And when protestors speak up about it, the average slob says they are supporters of Hamas and terrorism.

It is an incredibly hard cultural ignorance on our part to unwind and understand. 

Some get it.  Many don't.

Get it now?

[roadtonowhere08]

Typical Israeli playbook:  Negotiations are not to our liking.  Proceed with the precoordinated and agreed upon plan.

Israel says Rafah operations will go ahead as Hamas deal remains ‘far’ from meeting its demands

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/hamas-agrees-ceasefire-proposal-israel-gaza-latam-intl/index.html

Itamar Ben Gvir, Israel’s national security minister, said Netanyahu had “promised that Israel would enter Rafah, assured that the war would not end, and pledged that there would be no reckless deal.”

[SnarkyGoblin]

11 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

And since no battleground state has ever gone down to one vote, my vote would not change the outcome in any state.

Talk about a short-sighted statement.  Imagine if everyone had that attitude.  Terrible.

Despite your history lesson on the middle east which I'm not sure why you thought was necessary, all I'm saying is that I (and I'm guessing the vast majority of Americans) by far care most about what's happening to them and the people around them.  And I can tell you without doubt a Trump presidency would affect me and my neighbors negatively FAR MORE than whatever is happening in Palestine, dead children and all.

This election is not the year to do a protest vote.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

14 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

You should consider what affects you most.  I hope you would not have this same attitude if you were in a swing state 

Presidents allowing genocide to happen in other countries is not particularly new for us.  Doesn't make it right, but you are kinda acting like the world is falling.

Trump would make your life better. 

[roadtonowhere08]

1 hour ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Talk about a short-sighted statement.  Imagine if everyone had that attitude.  Terrible.

Despite your history lesson on the middle east which I'm not sure why you thought was necessary, all I'm saying is that I (and I'm guessing the vast majority of Americans) by far care most about what's happening to them and the people around them.  And I can tell you without doubt a Trump presidency would affect me and my neighbors negatively FAR MORE than whatever is happening in Palestine, dead children and all.

This election is not the year to do a protest vote.

Do you have reading comprehension issues?  Read your last post and then read my response.

Spare me.  If everyone voted third party, neither major party would win.  Deal with it.

The democrats are pros at throwing away elections.  First 2016 and now 2024 is a real possibility.  You should be more upset about that than my little a** vote.

[Anti Marine Layer]

15 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

What a rather short-sighted and callous statement.  It seems as if you have a lack of knowledge of the region and how it got that way.  For 2 million plus people, the world is falling, you doofus!

Thanks to the electoral college, as a resident of California, my vote does not matter whatsoever.  It is going to Biden with or without me.  And since no battleground state has ever gone down to one vote, my vote would not change the outcome in any state.

Since I had the foresight to invest at a young age, the selfish part of me would actually see that neither party is a risk to me and my interests, so I should not care who wins, since in the end, I will be fine.  I am lucky that, as a straight white male with a good job and steady income, I have the luxury to look out from my needs and see those of others.

That brings me to my main point in this thread, that you seem to not pick up on: In no other issue that I can recall in American culture is there an active, well funded, and highly influential lobbying establishment that has mastered the art of gaslighting to the point where anyone who is critical of the ones ones committing the genocide is accused of supporting genocide against them.  The evils of the Holocaust have been weaponized against those with a critical mind.  Those against Israel are automatically "Anti-Semitic" as if the Jews are the only D**n Semitic people on Earth.  This is a bi-partisan third rail that has been driven into the heads of people since the Zionist movement picked up steam.  Even many liberals are completely ignorant to this fact and just repeat what they hear.  And why wouldn't they?  The mainstream media sure hasn't deviated from that ideology.  It's national brainwashing.

Now look at all the other recent and ongoing genocides.  You think you are going to get called any names if you criticize the Chinese government for what they are doing to the Uyghurs?  What about Sudan?  Myanmar?  Rwanda?

That is my point!  

This issue is the perfect storm:

1. Holocaust guilt

2. Weaponizing the evils of the Holocaust by the Zionist movement

3. Bastardizing the term "Anti-Semitic"

4. Outright stealing Palestinian land by force/violence

5. American self interest in the region for many decades

6. Arabs being portrayed as animals due to resistance of and attacks on American/European interests (And yes, some countries have some backwards a** practices, especially toward women, but the point still stands)

And that is not even touching upon the direct funding and weapons shipments that go directly from us to the Israelis.  We give them weapons to directly kill innocent Palestinians.  Most Americans don't seem to care enough to raise an eyebrow.  And when protestors speak up about it, the average slob says they are supporters of Hamas and terrorism.

It is an incredibly hard cultural ignorance on our part to unwind and understand. 

Some get it.  Many don't.

Get it now?

Stop reading the Communist News Network. They'll tell you the protests are peaceful, just like for the George Floyd riots they said were mostly peaceful. 

Yesterday Israel dropped fliers from the sky warning people to evacuate. Someone was also trying to bring food into Gaza and Hamas bombed them. 

If you think the protests are so peaceful, why are they closing down campuses and warning Jewish students to take classes online? Why are they hanging Infitada banners in buildings? When they say "from the river to the sea" they mean they want to exterminate the entire Jewish population. 

How about going to UCLA or USC and dressing up as a Jew and seeing how nicely the protestors will treat you? Or join the encampment yourself and see what it's like. I'm waiting for your report. 

 

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

1 hour ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Do you have reading comprehension issues?  Read your last post and then read my response.

Your response to my paraphrased question "Would you actually risk Trump winning over this?" was a denial that your vote matters and a half-assed selective history lesson unrelated to my question.

Did I get it right?

[roadtonowhere08]

6 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Your response to my paraphrased question "Would you actually risk Trump winning over this?" was a denial that your vote matters and a half-assed selective history lesson unrelated to my question.

Did I get it right?

Nope.  Missed again.  This is getting sad.

I can see why @Reg gave up on you guys.

[SnarkyGoblin]

14 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Nope.  Missed again.  This is getting sad.

I can see why @Reg gave up on you guys.

I'm pretty sure I got it.  You literally went on a full paragraph rant about antisemitism which had nothing to do with my question.

I somehow hit a nerve, unintentionally I might add.

[Anti Marine Layer]

 

 

[roadtonowhere08]

20 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

You should consider what affects you most.  I hope you would not have this same attitude if you were in a swing state 

Presidents allowing genocide to happen in other countries is not particularly new for us.  Doesn't make it right, but you are kinda acting like the world is falling.

 

17 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

What a rather short-sighted and callous statement.  It seems as if you have a lack of knowledge of the region and how it got that way.  For 2 million plus people, the world is falling, you doofus!

Thanks to the electoral college, as a resident of California, my vote does not matter whatsoever.  It is going to Biden with or without me.  And since no battleground state has ever gone down to one vote, my vote would not change the outcome in any state.

Since I had the foresight to invest at a young age, the selfish part of me would actually see that neither party is a risk to me and my interests, so I should not care who wins, since in the end, I will be fine.  I am lucky that, as a straight white male with a good job and steady income, I have the luxury to look out from my needs and see those of others.

That brings me to my main point in this thread, that you seem to not pick up on: In no other issue that I can recall in American culture is there an active, well funded, and highly influential lobbying establishment that has mastered the art of gaslighting to the point where anyone who is critical of the ones ones committing the genocide is accused of supporting genocide against them.  The evils of the Holocaust have been weaponized against those with a critical mind.  Those against Israel are automatically "Anti-Semitic" as if the Jews are the only D**n Semitic people on Earth.  This is a bi-partisan third rail that has been driven into the heads of people since the Zionist movement picked up steam.  Even many liberals are completely ignorant to this fact and just repeat what they hear.  And why wouldn't they?  The mainstream media sure hasn't deviated from that ideology.  It's national brainwashing.

Now look at all the other recent and ongoing genocides.  You think you are going to get called any names if you criticize the Chinese government for what they are doing to the Uyghurs?  What about Sudan?  Myanmar?  Rwanda?

That is my point!  

This issue is the perfect storm:

1. Holocaust guilt

2. Weaponizing the evils of the Holocaust by the Zionist movement

3. Bastardizing the term "Anti-Semitic"

4. Outright stealing Palestinian land by force/violence

5. American self interest in the region for many decades

6. Arabs being portrayed as animals due to resistance of and attacks on American/European interests (And yes, some countries have some backwards a** practices, especially toward women, but the point still stands)

And that is not even touching upon the direct funding and weapons shipments that go directly from us to the Israelis.  We give them weapons to directly kill innocent Palestinians.  Most Americans don't seem to care enough to raise an eyebrow.  And when protestors speak up about it, the average slob says they are supporters of Hamas and terrorism.

It is an incredibly hard cultural ignorance on our part to unwind and understand. 

Some get it.  Many don't.

Get it now?

 

6 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Talk about a short-sighted statement.  Imagine if everyone had that attitude.  Terrible.

Despite your history lesson on the middle east which I'm not sure why you thought was necessary, all I'm saying is that I (and I'm guessing the vast majority of Americans) by far care most about what's happening to them and the people around them.  And I can tell you without doubt a Trump presidency would affect me and my neighbors negatively FAR MORE than whatever is happening in Palestine, dead children and all.

This election is not the year to do a protest vote.

 

4 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Do you have reading comprehension issues?  Read your last post and then read my response.

Spare me.  If everyone voted third party, neither major party would win.  Deal with it.

The democrats are pros at throwing away elections.  First 2016 and now 2024 is a real possibility.  You should be more upset about that than my little a** vote.

 

2 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Your response to my paraphrased question "Would you actually risk Trump winning over this?" was a denial that your vote matters and a half-assed selective history lesson unrelated to my question.

Did I get it right?

 

2 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

I'm pretty sure I got it.  You literally went on a full paragraph rant about antisemitism which had nothing to do with my question.

I somehow hit a nerve, unintentionally I might add.

Underline = Regards the first part of your initial post

Bold = Regards the second part of your initial post

I will make it short and sweet since it was all covered above:

You told me to consider what affects me the most.  Neither president affects me as I stated.  I don't care about swing states, as I am not registered to vote there.  If Biden loses, he did it to himself and all registered Democrats.  It is his to lose, just like it was Hilary's to lose in 2016.  The Democrats absolutely suck at reading the writing on the walls.

You then insinuated that all genocides are the same.  They're not.  The U.S. is the sole reason why this one is going on currently.  Can you say that about any other genocide?  Can you see why many Muslim Americans who have family in and around Gaza are so upset with Biden?

You hit a nerve because you are being dense and cannot see that I already answered your initial post.  You then characterized my objection to your remark about genocide as a "half-assed selective history lesson" like you are in a position to debate me on this issue.

I get it.  You think Trump is the end of the world.  I hate the man.  I want him to drop dead, but if, as you instruct me to do and "consider what affects me the most"... I guess I do not give a sh*t who wins.  Local elections affect me far more.

[SnarkyGoblin]

5 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

 

 

 

 

 

Underline = Regards the first part of your initial post

Bold = Regards the second part of your initial post

I will make it short and sweet since it was all covered above:

You told me to consider what affects me the most.  Neither president affects me as I stated.  I don't care about swing states, as I am not registered to vote there.  If Biden loses, he did it to himself and all registered Democrats.  It is his to lose, just like it was Hilary's to lose in 2016.  The Democrats absolutely suck at reading the writing on the walls.

You then insinuated that all genocides are the same.  They're not.  The U.S. is the sole reason why this one is going on currently.  Can you say that about any other genocide?  Can you see why many Muslim Americans who have family in and around Gaza are so upset with Biden?

You hit a nerve because you are being dense and cannot see that I already answered your initial post.  You then characterized my objection to your remark about genocide as a "half-assed selective history lesson" like you are in a position to debate me on this issue.

I get it.  You think Trump is the end of the world.  I hate the man.  I want him to drop dead, but if, as you instruct me to do and "consider what affects me the most"... I guess I do not give a sh*t who wins.  Local elections affect me far more.

You literally lectured me about the current situation in Israel/Middle East without mentioning once what happened in October.  They have hostages.  Try putting yourself in the shoes of those families.

I am by no means pro Israel.  I think their current government is a piece of .  But there is blame on both sides here.  You seem to be constantly focused on only 1 side given your lectured list you replied to me. 

You're sounding like Andrew on this subject but for the other side

[roadtonowhere08]

5 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

You literally lectured me about the current situation in Israel/Middle East without mentioning once what happened in October.  They have hostages.  Try putting yourself in the shoes of those families.

I am by no means pro Israel.  I think their current government is a piece of .  But there is blame on both sides here.  You seem to be constantly focused on only 1 side given your lectured list you replied to me. 

You're sounding like Andrew on this subject but for the other side

And you are bringing up October without understanding what led up to it.  I do not condone what happened at all, but your "blame on both sides" argument falls flat and tells me that you lack contextual knowledge.  You can turn on any news channel you like and be bathed in the American sanitized version.  You don't need me for that.

That I am having this conversation with you and your equating me with Andrew tells me all I want to know about you.  I have never advocated for the deaths of any Israeli civilians, but you go ahead with your nonsense.

And with that, I am done.  I feel like I am wasting my time here, when I could be spending it with my family.  Nobody ever said they wished they spent more time arguing online while on their death bed.

[Iceresistance]

NYC Mayor Eric Adams donates $5K of own money to catch anti-Israel agitators who defaced World War I memorial (msn.com)

Might be Fox News, but it's real

[Stormy]

22 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Do you have reading comprehension issues?  Read your last post and then read my response.

Spare me.  If everyone voted third party, neither major party would win.  Deal with it.

The democrats are pros at throwing away elections.  First 2016 and now 2024 is a real possibility.  You should be more upset about that than my little a** vote.

Aren't you a Bernie supporter? If you'd have your way we'd be under communist rule, but actually, maybe not worse than now. 

[Iceresistance]

Might be Fox News, but scary real
University of Texas anti-Israel encampment sees Hamas propaganda, weapons (msn.com)

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Wow the left eating their own on this very weather forum. 

 

Edited May 9 by SilverFallsAndrew

[Anti Marine Layer]

@roadtonowhere08 rejoice. Biden is blocking aid to Israel. 

[SnarkyGoblin]

3 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

@roadtonowhere08 rejoice. Biden is blocking aid to Israel. 

I also think this is a good idea; 

I just don't believe it's a hill I would die on risking a literal racist tyrant becoming my country's president.