The ICON has done well for Kansas and Missouri several runs in a row. I would gladly take what it's offering. That being said just a little further nw with the Saturday night snow would be even better.

In balmy by the lakeshore GR? You sure? Feb '15 I remember one evening in Marshall it was already 13 below and I went out for a walk and it wasn't that bad - must've been calm. Unlike today in Grayling with the winds gusting and endless pixies cutting into my face. I also recall the first cold blast of the Jan/Feb '94 historic cold wave. MIL down in Allegan cnty called and said how it was super cold there that evening, so I checked our window thermometer (8 pm guessing it was) and it was pegged at -25F at our place 8 miles SE of downtown Traverse City.

My nephew text me earlier, he's 18. Uncle Phishy, I've never seen a winter like this in SC, nuts thing I was there in mid november and one day it was in the upper 80s

NAM actually does have the second wave to a degree. It morphs into it. It just doesn’t hang back as long in central MO.

If the day 9 storm pans out does that mean in a few days they’ll be between two ferns?