November 2017 PNW Discussion Thread

[ShawniganLake]

Close to 2” of snow here. Roughly 1” in the past hour.

 

 

[wx_statman]

Backdoor airmass. Much more of a gorge component than a Fraser River one.

 

That's correct. It was still a major Arctic outbreak. 

[VancouverIslandSouth]

Guess I can forget about my lawn mowing contracts in Victoria tomorrow.

 

I'm guessing there will be some slushy lawns tomorrow, even down to sea level.

[wx_statman]

Were there any snowstorms in the WV that winter or was it just dry cold?

 

It was dry cold, albeit with an ice storm on the transition out. The lack of snow and the temp profile were similar to December 2009. 

[Tenochtitlan]

I was playing cards with my roommates and went out to check the snow again, there must be 3 or 4 inches out there now. D**n.

[BLI snowman]

That's correct. It was a major Arctic outbreak. 

 

Yeah, pretty underwhelming from Olympia up through Bellingham though. The South and Central Sound region needs a good Fraser River component to score those types of impressive highs.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

45 here.  Business as usual. Will come close to freezing at night Mon/Tue but likely will stay above.  Will have to check the records to see when our latest freeze was but we still haven't had one.  Not sure when the next opportunity will be when looking at the GFS but it's not looking good in the lowlands down here.  The mountains will be buried.

 

Pretty much every major station in the valley has had a freeze. 

[BLI snowman]

I was playing cards with my roommates and went out to check the snow again, there must be 3 or 4 inches out there now. d**n.

 

Anything over 3" would be an early season record for Bellingham proper.

[wx_statman]

I was playing cards with my roommates and went out to check the snow again, there must be 3 or 4 inches out there now. d**n.

 

Wow. I think this is the heaviest early season snowfall on record for you guys. Late October 1991 had 2-3" in western Whatcom Co. but it sounds like you might have gone above that. 

[wx_statman]

Anything over 3" would be an early season record for Bellingham proper.

 

Was just just thinking the same thing. I didn't see anything this heavy at either BLI, 2N, or the old downtown station. 

[Gradient Keeper]

That's correct. It was still a major Arctic outbreak. 

The first 11 days of January for PDX were cold to very cold. Some impressive Gorge outflow too.

[wx_statman]

Yeah, pretty underwhelming from Olympia up through Bellingham though. The South and Central Sound region needs a good Fraser River component to score those types of impressive highs.

 

True. I can see why Jim described that event as ho-hum. SEA's numbers were underwhelming, although even the outlying areas of Seattle dropped into the single digits for lows. 

[wx_statman]

The first 11 days of January for PDX were cold to very cold. Some impressive Gorge outflow too.

 

It was a very impressive event down this way, that's for sure. It's also the kind of event where even a little bit of snow going in would have resulted in sub-zero lows in the valley. 

[TigerWoodsLibido]

It was a very impressive event down this way, that's for sure. It's also the kind of event where even a little bit of snow going in would have resulted in sub-zero lows in the valley. 

 

Dec 2013 comes to mind with that for sure.  Eugene tied their all-time record low of -10 I believe.

[BLI snowman]

Was just just thinking the same thing. I didn't see anything this heavy at either BLI, 2N, or the old downtown station. 

 

November 9, 1945 would be the earliest one I think and that one was generally 3-4".

[Gradient Keeper]

Dec 2013 comes to mind with that for sure.  Eugene tied their all-time record low of -10 I believe.

Correct. December 8th. Absolutely amazing Max/Min for the day.

 

Mean Temperature  5 °F     Max Temperature  19 °F     Min Temperature  -10 °F

 

https://www.wunderground.com/history/airportfrompws/KEUG/2013/12/8/DailyHistory.html?req_city=&req_state=&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=&reqdb.magic=&reqdb.wmo=

[wx_statman]

Dec 2013 comes to mind with that for sure.  Eugene tied their all-time record low of -10 I believe.

 

That's a good comparison. Both Dec 2013 and Jan 1974 produced -14c over SLE @ 850...the difference was snowcover. Both were also south-centric with the Seattle area underperforming. Fyi the record at EUG is -12 in Dec 1972, so they actually saw their 2nd coldest reading on record in 2013. 

[ShawniganLake]

Reports for the Malahat Drive, just SE of my location, are showing 3-4” of snow. Driving conditions look poor.

 

 

[wx_statman]

November 9, 1945 would be the earliest one I think and that one was generally 3-4".

 

Looks like downtown also saw 4" on November 8-9, 1911. 

[Gradient Keeper]

That's a good comparison. Both Dec 2013 and Jan 1974 produced -14c over SLE @ 850...the difference was snowcover. Both were also south-centric with the Seattle area underperforming. Fyi the record at EUG is -12 in Dec 1972, so they actually saw their 2nd coldest reading on record in 2013. 

Ahhh, -12..... Both shatter PDX's puny -3.

[wx_statman]

Ahhh, -12..... Both shatter PDX's puny -3.

 

I'll take a reading of 10, for starters. We haven't even seen that since 1989. 

[Gradient Keeper]

I'll take a reading of 10, for starters. We haven't even seen that since 1989. 

I was 9.5 F for low temp back in January 2004, but then again I live several miles from the airport too.

[wx_statman]

I was 9.5 F for low temp back in January 2004, but then again I live several miles from the airport too.

 

I thought we had a chance last January, on the day we hit 11. It's gonna have to happen one of these days. 

[Gradient Keeper]

6z GFS in 1 hour 14 minutes!

[Tenochtitlan]

OK, I just measured. 3.5" on the grass, 1.5" in the roads. Pretty awesome!

[MikeInEverett]

Under some heavy rain right now.. Too bad it's still 41 degrees.

[van city]

Finally snowing in Vancouver,BC

[MikeInEverett]

Turned to snow for one minute, then by the time I was able to run downstairs and go outside it was back to a slushy rain. Some slush on the cars but it's still 39 degrees.

[MikeInEverett]

Perfect C-Zone right now, hopefully this will stick around in time for a full changeover to snow if possible

[ShawniganLake]

When I came home from work I noticed something I don’t remember seeing before. Shawnigan Lake was producing large amounts of steam fog during the afternoon as the snow was falling. What made it very unusual was there was no steam fog this morning. I’m sure the lake was probably quite warm on the surface after a hot summer and recent string of sunny warm days.

[Gradient Keeper]

00z EPS keeps a positive anomaly/block the entire run through day 10 centered around 160-168 W. Any appreciable jet energy off Siberia/Kamchatka and that block could set up further east around 150-160 W.

[MikeInEverett]

Man if this were just a few weeks later I'd be getting dumped on right now.

[Bryant]

I wonder if its snowing along Britton Rd as hard as its snowing at Barkley Village?

 Yes it is.Possibly more so? Brennan and I went for a drive. Squalicum HS had about 2" on the pavement. Mount Baker Hwy in general was snowing pretty good. Unfortunately, Brennan moved my neck of the woods and it's lackluster over here. 

[Tenochtitlan]

 Yes it is.Possibly more so? Brennan and I went for a drive. Squalicum HS had about 2" on the pavement. Mount Baker Hwy in general was snowing pretty good. Unfortunately, Brennan moved my neck of the woods and it's lackluster over here. 

Where are you at? I'm off Samish by Sehome Village.

[Bryant]

Where are you at? I'm off Samish by Sehome Village.

Sehome Village seems to do pretty well. I'm in Glenhaven. South of Sudden Valley. We struggle in outflow dependant situations because of terrain to our north

[Bryant]

Barkley Village:

 

 

Squalicum High:

 

[Tenochtitlan]

Sehome Village seems to do pretty well. I'm in Glenhaven. South of Sudden Valley. We struggle in outflow dependant situations because of terrain to our north

Oh yeah, looking at Google Maps I can see how that would be an issue for your area. I bet you still get more snow on average than here though

[Bryant]

Oh yeah, looking at Google Maps I can see how that would be an issue for your area. I bet you still get more snow on average than here though

 

Only my 2nd winter here, last winter was a dud in the beginning, but then picked up later on. In fact, tonight is pretty deja vu for me, because last winter we started off with me watching the Barkley cams get covered and snow fall all night long, while it was 36 degrees and raining here. Would like to see how this location performs with an actual arctic outbreak, with a low sliding down the coast. Didn't get that last year 

[Tenochtitlan]

A few pictures of/around the house from just now.

[Tenochtitlan]

Only my 2nd winter here, last winter was a dud in the beginning, but then picked up later on. In fact, tonight is pretty deja vu for me, because last winter we started off with me watching the Barkley cams get covered and snow fall all night long, while it was 36 degrees and raining here. Would like to see how this location performs with an actual arctic outbreak, with a low sliding down the coast. Didn't get that last year 

Yeah, last winter there was an abrupt cutoff line for that one event in December a couple miles south of here, right around Boulevard Park. When was the last event like that?