TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm 1000 mi away and hike those trails every year, after discovering them long ago. You hike the middle fork trails every year? I don't remember see any pics. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Very true. There is also lots of evidence that the natives would purposefully set small intensity fires on an almost yearly basis, in certain areas. This was both to promote the growth of specific plants (such as huckleberries) and draw out game. Mill Plain, Fourth Plain and Fifth Plain in the Vancouver area all are named after historic, large fire-managed clearings of this type.Can you imagine the outrage today if hunters were allowed to set small fires to smoke out game? And yet it might help solve the massive wildfire issue. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 You hike the middle fork trails every year? I don't remember see any pics. Me remember see pics. I never said I hiked it yearly. Was just surprised you didn't know about the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 You really took that cynical comment to heart huh? The accurate ones hurt the most. Aside from that, I challenge you to legitimately disagree with anything I said there.Very serious stuff. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Can you imagine the outrage today if hunters were allowed to set small fires to smoke out game? And yet it might help solve the massive wildfire issue. The northwest is a much different place now than it was in pre-European times. Hunters would have a hard time starting a fire to smoke out elk on Mill Plain. Smoking out game wasn't the purpose, either. The fires would create meadows that would draw out game for grazing the following year, which made for good hunting areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Very serious stuff. You're logged on and posting here right? This place must be 11,843 times as serious as anything else you have going on right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Me remember see pics. I never said I hiked it yearly. Was just surprised you didn't know about the area. I knew about the area in general... just not those specific trails. Jared said he hikes it every year which I thought was surprising. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 You hike the middle fork trails every year? I don't remember see any pics. Duh. Everyone here has been there and knows them like the back of our hand. Hard to believe you never explored YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 The northwest is a much different place now than it was in pre-European times. Hunters would have a hard time starting a fire to smoke out elk on Mill Plain. Smoking out game wasn't the purpose, either. The fires would create meadows that would draw out game for grazing the following year, which made for good hunting areas.Ah. Was wondering why you used the term "draw out". Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 You're logged on and posting here right? This place must be 11,843 times as serious as anything else you have going on right now.Deep. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Deep.11,844. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I knew about the area in general... just not those specific trails. Jared said he hikes it every year which I thought was surprising.Which trail was it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 11,844. Most if not all pertained to vacation scrutiny. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Duh. Everyone here has been there and knows them like the back of our hand. Hard to believe you never explored YOUR OWN BACKYARD. I don't doubt that you have been there... just surprised that you are in North Bend every year. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm actually relieved that it looks like you were (likely) telling the truth about visiting here. I honestly want to believe you about things. You dug yourself into quite the hole there for a few years, though. I don't think you can blame anyone for being skeptical.I don't blame you for holding some degree of skepticism, but there's also a point where it becomes a bit excessive. You'll see plenty of pictures and video soon. The last thing I'd do is willingly dig myself into another hole. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Most if not all pertained to vacation scrutiny.No I think you are confusing yours with mine. The majority of your 10,000+ posts deal with what losers people who post a lot here are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Very true. There is also lots of evidence that the natives would purposefully set small intensity fires on an almost yearly basis, in certain areas. This was both to promote the growth of specific plants (such as huckleberries) and draw out game. Mill Plain, Fourth Plain and Fifth Plain in the Vancouver area all are named after historic, large fire-managed clearings of this type. They also burned Douglas Firs along the valley bottom to encourage oak growth. They could harvest the acorns from oaks, while the good old Douglas Firs offered nothing. The Willamette Valley used to be a human managed landscape long before we arrived. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 No I think you are confusing yours with mine. The majority of your 10,000+ posts deal with what losers people who post a lot here are. You're not a loser for trying to pick some pre-heatwave fights, but that is what you're doing. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm on the ferry back home to the island and you can see the cloud of interior smoke now moving into the lower mainland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 FWIW the 12Z NAM had more of a July 2009 look for Wed-Thu, with the ridge axis and 594dm countour just to our west. This scenario would most likely result in something like 105-106 rather than 107-108 at PDX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 You're not a loser for trying to pick some pre-heatwave fights, but that is what you're doing.Serious stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 They also burned Douglas Firs along the valley bottom to encourage oak growth. They could harvest the acorns from oaks, while the good old Douglas Firs offered nothing. The Willamette Valley used to be a human managed landscape long before we arrived.For sure. But not even close to the extent of human management now, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 About to have dinner outside on the patio, while the sun sets behind the evergreen trees. The temperature is holding steady in the 80s, and there's not even the slightest hint of humidity in the air. Feels amazing. Back to my swampy reality tomorrow, though. Tampa is basically DC with palm trees in the summer. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 About to have dinner outside on the patio, while the sun sets behind the evergreen trees. The temperature is holding steady in the 80s, and there's not even the slightest hint of humidity in the air. Feels amazing. Back to my swampy reality tomorrow, though. Tampa is basically DC with palm trees in the summer. Looks like you just missed TS Emily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Looks like you just missed TS Emily.Yeah, but that Hippa island cyclone probably put Emily to shame by a good margin. So I'm not sore about missing it. My stepmom did call me up this morning (at like 5AM PDT) asking me how to know if the house was struck by lightning. Apparently there was a vicious squall line with 50-60mph winds there this morning that produced the craziest lightning she's ever seen. That's notable to me given they get big lightning storms almost every afternoon there in the summer. Every year I visit it storms daily. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 "Western troughing literally kills people at this time of year. And in the most gruesome of ways." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I don't doubt that you have been there... just surprised that you are in North Bend every year.I'm not. Only stopped there a couple times in my life, actually. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 No I think you are confusing yours with mine. The majority of your 10,000+ posts deal with what losers people who post a lot here are. Hmm. Perhaps Dewey is the main reason mets don't post here? They are a notoriously thin-skinned bunch. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 They also burned Douglas Firs along the valley bottom to encourage oak growth. They could harvest the acorns from oaks, while the good old Douglas Firs offered nothing. The Willamette Valley used to be a human managed landscape long before we arrived.Certainly ironic, considering the number of Christmas tree farms (in the hills) there now. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 FWIW the 12Z NAM had more of a July 2009 look for Wed-Thu, with the ridge axis and 594dm countour just to our west. This scenario would most likely result in something like 105-106 rather than 107-108 at PDX.Probably stronger offshore winds, though? Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm actually relieved that it looks like you were (likely) telling the truth about visiting here. I honestly want to believe you about things. You dug yourself into quite the hole there for a few years, though. I don't think you can blame anyone for being skeptical.He didn't stop by to say hi I would have selfie'd the out of him and I lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epiceast Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 In tim's defense Middle Fork road was closed for a few years, I remember wanting to hike up Mailbox peak in '13 or '14 and finding out the road was being repaired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Serious stuff.Dangerous heat!!! Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Dangerous heat!!!Dangerous deflection!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 In tim's defense Middle Fork road was closed for a few years, I remember wanting to hike up Mailbox peak in '13 or '14 and finding out the road was being repaired.Worth the wait... the new road is amazing. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Hot anomalies lead to heated discussion. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 About to have dinner outside on the patio, while the sun sets behind the evergreen trees. The temperature is holding steady in the 80s, and there's not even the slightest hint of humidity in the air. Feels amazing. I thought temps in the 50s with high winds and sideways rain was your ideal summer weather? A clear evening with a temp around 80 sounds miserable. I would rather enjoy dinner on the patio in cold rain with everything being blown away. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm not. Only stopped there a couple times in my life, actually. So you hike the middle fork trails every year? That is basically North Bend. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverIslandSouth Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 I'm on the ferry back home to the island and you can see the cloud of interior smoke now moving into the lower mainland. Looks absolutely disgusting down some of those interior valleys today. I hope the stronger NW flow down the Strait of Georgia keeps this stuff contained but it's clearly not far from the coast and will get caught in the prevailing northerly flow. This could definitely limit daytime highs; but I would take extreme heat over smoke any day. http://i.imgur.com/nW9yHBT.png Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 Probably stronger offshore winds, though? The east winds could be a problem, just like on 7/29/2009. One of the reasons I would bet against 107 in that scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted August 1, 2017 Report Share Posted August 1, 2017 So you hike the middle fork trails every year? That is basically North Bend.Dude - sarcasm detector fail. I was making light of the situation, and everyone shocked you hadn't discovered those trails yet...you silly yuppy you! Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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