July 2018 Weather in the Pacific Northwest

[SilverFallsAndrew]

I was just thinking. Pretty crazy that PDX has seen both its second warmest January on record and second warmest July on record this year.

 

Don't forget May! 

[Jesse]

Don't forget May!

Sure. I was more pointing out our ability to torch during opposite seasonal extremes lately.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Sure. I was more pointing out our ability to torch during opposite seasonal extremes lately.

 

I am a man of all seasons not just two...Near record warm November on tap now too?

[Jesse]

I am a man of all seasons not just two...Near record warm November on tap now too?

Will have been two whole years since Nov 2016 at that point. Dewwwwww!!!!!

[Front Ranger]

Driest May/June/July on record at SEA.

[Jesse]

Driest May/June/July on record at SEA.

Hmmm...it’s seemed completely normal to me. Wet if anything!

[Deweydog]

Let's hope the Euro doesn't derail the crankiness.

[TT-SEA]

I think the ECMWF is caving based on the pattern at 96 hours.

[TT-SEA]

Hmmm...it’s seemed completely normal to me. Wet if anything!

It sort of was in my area of the region.

[TT-SEA]

ECMWF looks almost identical to the GFS at 120 hours now.

[ShawniganLake]

ECMWF looks almost identical to the GFS at 120 hours now.

Impressive win for the GFS.

[Phil]

Impressive win for the GFS.

It’s probably not going to be a win for the GFS. At least after D7-8.

 

The WHEM divergence bias is an issue at this range:

[Jesse]

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[Jesse]

Fitting fate for the first batch of 00z runs of our August Icebox.

[Frontal Snowsquall]

The 00z EURO is showing another heatwave starting on Monday for PDX with Wednesday getting into the triple digits.

[Front Ranger]

It sort of was in my area of the region.

 

One of the the three months had close to normal precip for your backyard (though even Palmer had 50% of normal precip in June). Overall, it was still very dry even for your part of the region.

 

You're clinging to a script that no longer works. 

 

[TT-SEA]

One of the the three months had close to normal precip for your backyard (even though Palmer had 50% of normal precip in June). Overall, it was still very dry even for your part of the region.

 

You're clinging to a script that no longer works.

 

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Not about total precip Jared.

 

May and June felt fairly damp and cloudy overall... it transitioned in early July.

 

It stayed greener in my area longer than most years. So it did seem wet if anything.

 

Sorry... you can't make May and June seem sunny and hot in my backyard with red maps. It wasn't.

[Front Ranger]

6z had the ULL closer the the coast and was considerably cooler Sun-Wed next week.

[Front Ranger]

Not about total precip Jared.

 

May and June felt fairly damp and cloudy overall... it transitioned in early July.

 

It stayed greener in my area longer than most years. So it did seem wet if anything.

 

Sorry... you can't make May and June seem sunny and hot in my backyard with red maps. It wasn't.

 

Actually, this conversation was.

 

I cited the fact that it was the driest MJJ on record at SEA. Didn't mention anything about sunshine or heat.

 

Jesse said mockingly that it "seemed completely normal, wet if anything". And you said for you, it sort of was. 

 

The entire context of the convo was about precip.

[TT-SEA]

Actually, this conversation was.

 

I cited the fact that it was the driest MJJ on record at SEA. Didn't mention anything about sunshine or heat.

 

Jesse said mockingly that it "seemed completely normal, wet if anything". And you said for you, it sort of was.

 

The entire context of the convo was about precip.

And I said its not always about total precip... it can seem wet and cloudy and still be drier than normal.

 

It did feel like a very typical spring to summer transition this year in my area. It seemed a little wet if anything.

 

I am really sorry it was different elsewhere.

[Front Ranger]

And I said its not always about total precip... it can seem wet and cloudy and still be drier than normal.

 

It did feel like a very typical spring to summer transition this year in my area. It seemed a little wet if anything.

 

I am really sorry it was different elsewhere.

Facts are facts. It can "seem" however you want it to, but in terms of total precip - what the discussion was about based on SEA's stats, it was quite the dry MJJ everywhere on the west side of the PNW. Including your little area.

 

Clouds and how green your grass was don't factor into that.

[TT-SEA]

Facts are facts. It can "seem" however you want it to, but in terms of total precip - what the discussion was about based on SEA's stats, it was quite the dry MJJ everywhere on the west side of the PNW. Including your little area.

 

Clouds and how green your grass was don't factor into that.

Never argued with the maps... I just confirmed Jesse's mocking comment. It did seem a little wet.

[Front Ranger]

Never argued with the maps... I just confirmed Jesse's mocking comment. It did seem a little wet.

Ok. I suppose it makes sense to focus on that while 90% of the region is in one of the worst droughts on record and the major local station we all cite just saw their driest May-July in history.

[TT-SEA]

Ok. I suppose it makes sense to focus on that while 90% of the region is in one of the worst droughts on record and the major local station we all cite just saw their driest May-July in history.

 

Jesse brought up the difference again... I agreed with him.  

 

I can't change what happened in my area.    In retrospect... it seems fortunate.

[TigerWoodsLibido]

Time to migrate over to August. Happy new month everyone!

[Jesse]

Never argued with the maps... I just confirmed Jesse's mocking comment. It did seem a little wet.

What kind of Orwellian stuff is this? Your subjective experience of the weather now trumps objective reality?

[Jesse]

And I said its not always about total precip... it can seem wet and cloudy and still be drier than normal.

 

It did feel like a very typical spring to summer transition this year in my area. It seemed a little wet if anything.

 

I am really sorry it was different elsewhere.

I said it seemed wet, you said it sort of was wet. Which it wasn’t by all objective measures. I really don’t see why this is even an argument.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

PDX just missed the record by 0.1 F. 

 

Eugene was 5.2F cooler than PDX in July. Only a +2 departure there...

[TT-SEA]

I said it seemed wet, you said it sort of was wet. Which it wasn’t by all objective measures. I really don’t see why this is even an argument.

Right... you made a fuzzy subjective statement and I agreed with it.

 

It was technically drier than normal out here and was generally damp and cloudy and stayed lush green longer than most recent years.

 

Both are true. You were mocking our personal experience up here and I said your statement was correct.

[Jesse]

Right... you made a fuzzy subjective statement and I agreed with it.

 

It was technically drier than normal out here and was generally damp and cloudy and stayed lush green longer than most recent years.

 

Both are true. You were mocking our personal experience up here and I said your statement was correct.

I said it seemed wet, you said it sort of WAS. Which it wasn’t.

[TT-SEA]

I said it seemed wet, you said it sort of WAS. Which it wasn’t. And now you are trying to retroactively change what was said.

It did seem wet in my area. Lots of cloudy days and drizzle. Rained on 8 of 10 days leading up to the 4th of July.

 

Did not seem dry... even though precip was below normal. 2015 seemed very dry.

 

I should have said "it did".

[Jesse]

It did seem wet in my area. Lots of cloudy days and drizzle. Rained on 8 of 10 days leading up to the 4th of July.

 

Did not seem dry... even though precip was below normal. 2015 seemed very dry.

 

I should have said "it did".

If we are going to start basing our weather discussions here on what the weather seemed or felt like in favor of what actually happened that opens a pretty big can of worms.

[Jesse]

It's been very cool and wet in SoCal. There has been no measurable precipitation since May, but it has felt very wet to me, so therefore it has been wet. The average July high of 94.1º IMBY was an all-time record, but it still felt very cool to me, so therefore it was a cool month.

What we’re seeing and what we’re reading is not what’s happening.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Eugene's apparent relative coolness compared to PDX is mostly due to cooler overnight temperatures thanks to clear, still nights and reduced UHI compared to PDX.  The average highs for July of 87.4 (EUG) and 87.5 (PDX) are almost identical.  The 87.4 in Eugene is only one degree off the record set in 2015.

 

Yes, though PDX's average high was a record... So historically speaking the average high at EUG was less historically impressive than PDX, as summer highs are generally slightly warmer in the central and south valley.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

Driving through the gorge yesterday, there were signs of the substation fire from about milepost 140 to near The Dalles. Where the cliffs were steep the fire did not make it down to the freeway, but further east where things level out toward the Columbia Basin, the fire did burn along side the interstate for miles.

 

There was no sign of fire on the Washington side. That was about 1pm. Apparently at 4:30 a fire started on the Washington side. It has already grown to 11,000 acres...

[TT-SEA]

If we are going to start basing our weather discussions here on what the weather seemed or felt like in favor of what actually happened that opens a pretty big can of worms.

It was actually quite cloudy with light rain and drizzle on many days. That happened. It was not dry even though it was drier than normal... after the wettest April ever.

 

And despite a record dry MJJ at SEA.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

It was actually quite cloudy with light rain and drizzle on many days. That happened. It was not dry even though it was drier than normal... after the wettest April ever.

 

And despite a record dry MJJ at SEA.

 

Can we put this wettest April ever BS to bed. 

[Jesse]

It was actually quite cloudy with light rain and drizzle on many days. That happened. It was not dry even though it was drier than normal... after the wettest April ever.

 

And despite a record dry MJJ at SEA.

It has been cloudy and has rained on some days here in MJJ as well. Drier than average but not 100% dry. Drought cancel?

 

I hope at some level you realize how irrational this is.

[TT-SEA]

Can we put this wettest April ever BS to bed.

It was in my area.

[jcmcgaffey]

It has been cloudy and has rained on some days here in MJJ as well. Drier than average but not 100% dry. Drought cancel?

 

I hope at some level you realize how irrational this is.

I get what TT SEA is saying. It has been the same here. We haven’t had the driest MJJ here in north Seattle either. It has been dry but not nearly as dry as past years. Even today has been misty the entire day and everything is wet. Most yards are still green here but that is just a small area due to consistent patterns and convergence. It dumped rain two weeks ago but was only picked up on some local accuweather stations and rained a few days ago but again wasn’t picked up on any major stations. It has definitely been an odd season. The rest of the region is in dire need of precipitation and I hope we get some heavy rains soon as I love rain in the summer time.