Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think the west side would have gotten some relief if the ULL had sat over is much of the week as originally depicted. The period when it stalled offshore and steered t-storm rich SSE flow over the region was the killer. It's been too hot and dry.Should have tried harder, fail boy. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think the best pattern right now is one with no wind on the east side. Hot and calm would probably be better than windy and cooler. I guess the best pattern would be a region-wide soaking but that is tough to pull off in August. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Should have tried harder, fail boy.I prayed to Lars Larson every night and the model runs only got worse. Really shook my faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I prayed to Lars Larson every night and the model runs only got worse. Really shook my faith. Should've dangled yourself off a bridge to block the passage of the low. 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Should've dangled yourself off a bridge to block the passage of the low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 The continued heat is wearing me out. It is ridiculous.I'm with you bruh. We hiked to Bull of the Woods lookout yesterday and it was a scorcher. Some cool breezes near the top, fortunately. Looked over toward Table Rock to the west and thought of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 At least Lars got that traffic flowing again in PDX the other day. 1 Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think the west side would have gotten some relief if the ULL had sat over us much of the week as originally depicted. The period when it stalled offshore and steered t-storm rich SSE flow over the region was the killer. It's been too hot and dry. The problem was that the ULL was wimpy in terms of precipitable water. Most of the region got d*ck in the way of rain from it and from the mountains eastward all the associated convection with it was dry and it stayed warm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 The problem was that the ULL was wimpy in terms of precipitable water. Most of the region got d*ck in the way of rain from it and from the mountains eastward all the associated convection with it was dry and it stayed warm.Hopefully next week's trough trends the same way! At least we would avoid any devastatingly cool breezes, give those firefighters a break. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hopefully next week's trough trends the same way! At least we would avoid any devastatingly cool breezes, give those firefighters a break.Those "cool" breezes yesterday killed those firefighters. #toosoon#subsidencesaveslives Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah... why is someone still cheering for a pattern that would result in wind on the east side of the Cascades? It does not take much troughing to make it windy over there. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Hopefully next week's trough trends the same way! At least we would avoid any devastatingly cool breezes, give those firefighters a break. A severe marine push would probably be about the worst thing right now, next to the North Koreans invading. The cost to boaters and firefighters alike would be high. Fireboats in particular would be hard hit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Those "cool" breezes yesterday killed those firefighters. #toosoon#subsidencesaveslivesIt is silly to assert that we need to avoid troughing and associated rain, which would actually help put the fires out, just to avoid the possibility of it getting windy over there. Yesterday's event was a tragedy, wrong place wrong time. Some troughing and rain would still be far more beneficial to the east side than continued heat and thunderstorm chances, though, wind notwithstanding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Yeah... why is someone still cheering for a pattern that would result in wind on the east side of the Cascades? It does not take much troughing to make it windy over there. Cheering on 560dm heights could be the equivalent of setting the match yourself. Hello high elevation frost, bye bye Twisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 It is silly to assert that we need to avoid troughing and associated rain, which would actually help put the fires out, just to avoid the possibility of it getting windy over there. Yesterday's event was a tragedy, wrong place wrong time. Some troughing and rain would still be far more beneficial to the east side than continued heat and thunderstorm chances, though, wind notwithstanding.This whole conversation is silly. happens. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 This whole conversation is silly. s**t happens. Yep. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 This whole conversation is silly. s**t happens.Incredibly silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard mann Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 (.. cross-referene.) http://theweatherforums.com/index.php/topic/609-approaching-pattern-discussion/?p=83150 Quote --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Most concerning right now is that there will be significant wind over there today and tomorrow... courtesy of our little cool down. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard mann Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 .. Fall-like, today here more south. — Following a series of much warmer days. Main and perhaps the last of the stronger seasonal warmth having begun to taper, yesterday. Quote --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Most concerning right now is that there will be significant wind over there today and tomorrow... courtesy of our little cool down. I'm no expert but I'd imagine firefighters are always a bit aided by cooler temperatures and steady wind direction. High wind speeds can have a detrimental impact of course, but the problem often is the varying wind directions and speeds that make it difficult to build a stable front line. Steady NW winds and cooler temps could help them gain some ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Incredibly silly.680 people lose their lives each year in snow/ice related traffic collisions across the country. Fire season's gonna really have to get its together to match that kind preference-pacifying carnage. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 680 people lose their lives each year in snow/ice related traffic collisions across the country. Fire season's gonna really have to get its s**t together to match that kind preference-pacifying carnage.I figured you'd conveniently forget this and focus on me, but I wasn't the one who brought it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I figured you'd conveniently forget this and focus on me, but I wasn't the one who brought it up.Serious stuff, my man. Serious stuff. No amount of fall ball can bring those collision victims back. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Serious stuff, my man. Serious stuff. No amount of fall ball can bring those collision victims back.Tell the person who started this morning's preference battle retardation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Tell the person who started this morning's preference battle retardation. "Wish we hadn't lucked out." Were you gambling online and won diffluent flow??? You have a problem... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Canadian's trying... Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 "Wish we hadn't lucked out." Were you gambling online and won diffluent flow??? You have a problem...The argument started over how detrimental cooling trends are for wildland firefighters, historically. But yes, it was all me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 The argument started over how detrimental cooling trends are for wildland firefighters, historically. But yes, it was all me.This one, ironically, was/is. It's an anomaly. You don't typically see potentially damaging north wind events in the Okanogan Valley in August. 110 degree highs wouldn't be too helpful either. And yes, typically it is mostly you and Tim. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Celebrate sunshine and warmth in the land of constant troughing! This is where it actually started. But whatever. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Canadian's trying... Can't find the 12Z run updated yet. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Before I get messages about the callous nature of some of our members, the lot of you need to cool it. I have firefighters as friends and family, and the loss of life of those who fight fires isn't easy for some of us to take lightly. Also, stop chiding others for "rooting" for one kind of weather pattern over another. We are weather enthusiasts, the optimum word being that we are generally enthusiastic about the weather. If we are going to go down that path about how some of us should root for weather that might cause harm, then I'll start censoring those who cheer for cold or stormy weather. Some of you might need a reminder that no matter how much we might hope and want a particular weather pattern to manifest itself, we don't have that power. I hope to experience a winter akin to January 1950, but I'm sure that will cost the region in dollars and lives. My favorite weather memory was the Hanukkah Eve storm, but that event was partly responsible for the deaths of a few around the Sound. It's a morbid fact of most of our passions, but I won't have a community shame others for want of a cool breeze on hot August day. TL;DR - Knock it off. You were pretty snarky this morning as well. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Can't find the 12Z run updated yet.Pretty similar to the 00z. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Canadian's trying...Trying not to be so vague? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Trying not to be so vague?I assume most people just look at it. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I assume most people just look at it.Every link I have is still showing 00Z run. Link me. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Every link I have is still showing 00Z run. Link me. Only goes to 180, but I like that. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/CMC_12z/cmcloop.html Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 Nice and misty outside in Bellevue. They are setting up the farmer's market outside my office and one of the guys mentioned that he loved the return of something familiar. Familiar in August would be sunny and warm. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 I assume most people just look at it.Out and about at the moment. Check your PM, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted August 20, 2015 Report Share Posted August 20, 2015 12Z ECMWF is closer with the trough/ULL next week. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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