Hoosier Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 On 12/30/2023 at 3:56 PM, Hoosier said: Indianapolis still hasn't had measurable snow this season, as the seasonal total is a trace. The record latest date for measurable snowfall (0.1" or greater) is January 4. There is some possibility of measurable snow occurring tomorrow, but if that does not occur, then this record will end up being broken as there are no other opportunities for snow by January 4. Latest measurable snowfalls at Indianapolis: Jan 4 (1941) Dec 29 (1986) Dec 25 (1918) Dec 24 (1905 and 2001) Dec 22 (1896) Dec 21 (1998) Dec 20 (1965) IND recorded 0.1" on the 31st, so the record for latest measurable snowfall will remain in tact. Winter 2023-24 will go down as producing the second latest measurable snowfall on record. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 This map shows rainfall depicts for the last 365 days. @OttumwaSnomowand I finished up almost or more than 24 inches below average and I had a strong rally from Oct to Dec to get to that point. Goodbye and good riddance to 2023. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clinton Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Probably the warmest December I can remember, lets hope January looks nothing like this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 At ORD, Dec 2023 tied with Dec 2015 for 4th warmest on record. I expected a warm month but not anything like Dec 2015. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 ORD picked up 0.9" of Snow yesterday...a whopping 1.2" for the month of DEC....a month that many snow lovers don't want to remember! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 December had 2.97" of precip at ORD, which is wetter than average by a decent amount. The 30 year December average precip is 2.11" This is currently the 26th El Nino going back to 1950. 14/26 El Nino Decembers have been wetter than average in Chicago. Of the 13 El Nino Decembers prior to 2023 that were wetter than average, 9 went on to finish wetter than average for DJF. Sample size is a little on the small side, but based on that and what looks like it could be a relatively active January, it seems more likely than not that Chicago is headed for a wetter than average DJF. At the very least, it looks quite unlikely to be a notably dry winter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKEstorm Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Milwaukee experienced its warmest (39.5 avg. temp.) and least snowiest (trace) December on record in 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttumwaSnomow Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 My 2023 precip OTM airport: 20.62" My yard: 26.20" Difference: +5.58" I am closely examining these differences. 7 miles with the absence of any huge rains that affected either location and not the other concerns me.. I am steadily and regularly reporting more than OTM. Also the Coop observer gauge is regularly about 1% more than the Cocorahs gauge. So had I used the coop observer gauge all year and not just since August my total for 2023 would no doubt be over 6" more than OTM.. this is concerning. I rarely go on vacation and if I do my son measured and was formerly with cocorahs. Can we really trust automated gauges? How much of this can be explained by the melting of frozen precip procedures? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormy Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 9 hours ago, OttumwaSnomow said: My 2023 precip OTM airport: 20.62" My yard: 26.20" Difference: +5.58" I am closely examining these differences. 7 miles with the absence of any huge rains that affected either location and not the other concerns me.. I am steadily and regularly reporting more than OTM. Also the Coop observer gauge is regularly about 1% more than the Cocorahs gauge. So had I used the coop observer gauge all year and not just since August my total for 2023 would no doubt be over 6" more than OTM.. this is concerning. I rarely go on vacation and if I do my son measured and was formerly with cocorahs. Can we really trust automated gauges? How much of this can be explained by the melting of frozen precip procedures? I agree that it's concerning, and I've noticed this for many years that official precipitation amounts in surrounding towns are often less than what I have, especially, and mainly in the winter months with frozen precip. events. I've seen it so often that I really don't believe even official NWS reports. Any automated rain gauges are a joke even with heaters installed and those windbreaks or deflectors or whatever you call them. I've had a heater in my Davis electronic gauge for years and finally gave up on it as it's pretty much worthless except when there's no wind and it's near freezing, and even then the heat will evaporate some of the precip. as it melts. It's a hassle and quite a bit of work (but interesting) to try and accurately record frozen precip! I like the cocorahs 4" gauges or any similar manual gauges with that innner tube, though no gauge, especially electronic, is 100% accurate in all situations. People who want to record accurately need to get out and physically work at checking manual gauges during frozen events! But we know it's not always possible if you work away from home, but I'll check any time of the night of necessary. Rant over for now! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OttumwaSnomow Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Stormy said: I agree that it's concerning, and I've noticed this for many years that official precipitation amounts in surrounding towns are often less than what I have, especially, and mainly in the winter months with frozen precip. events. I've seen it so often that I really don't believe even official NWS reports. Any automated rain gauges are a joke even with heaters installed and those windbreaks or deflectors or whatever you call them. I've had a heater in my Davis electronic gauge for years and finally gave up on it as it's pretty much worthless except when there's no wind and it's near freezing, and even then the heat will evaporate some of the precip. as it melts. It's a hassle and quite a bit of work (but interesting) to try and accurately record frozen precip! I like the cocorahs 4" gauges or any similar manual gauges with that innner tube, though no gauge, especially electronic, is 100% accurate in all situations. People who want to record accurately need to get out and physically work at checking manual gauges during frozen events! But we know it's not always possible if you work away from home, but I'll check any time of the night of necessary. Rant over for now! Thanks @Stormy I am doing the best I can at getting accurate data. I work at home, and rarely leave Ottumwa with my work. Also during snow events Im usually up all night and can measure snow immediately when it stops falling or every 6 hrs. 2023 was my 1st year of consistently melting the frozen precip. But I do agree my biggest discrepancies have been seen over the winter. And in summer months just one large rain event can totally change the rain numbers just a mile away, although that was the case in 2023 as no one close to me had a huge rain event! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkstwelve Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 Warmest December on record for many spots within this area, including Sioux Falls. Lovely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 2 Report Share Posted January 2 The snow on 12/31 took this December out of top tier snowfall futility for Chicago. But... 2018-2023 is the first time on record that 6 consecutive Decembers have each produced less than 4" of snow in Chicago. Average December snowfall is 7.6" Dec 2018: 1.4" Dec 2019: 2.0" Dec 2020: 2.8" Dec 2021: 1.9" Dec 2022: 3.2" Dec 2023: 1.2" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 On 1/1/2024 at 1:04 PM, Hoosier said: December had 2.97" of precip at ORD, which is wetter than average by a decent amount. The 30 year December average precip is 2.11" This is currently the 26th El Nino going back to 1950. 14/26 El Nino Decembers have been wetter than average in Chicago. Of the 13 El Nino Decembers prior to 2023 that were wetter than average, 9 went on to finish wetter than average for DJF. Sample size is a little on the small side, but based on that and what looks like it could be a relatively active January, it seems more likely than not that Chicago is headed for a wetter than average DJF. At the very least, it looks quite unlikely to be a notably dry winter. Exactly. So what about all those NOAA maps showing nothing but BN over our region for precipitation?? 1 Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 34 minutes ago, jaster220 said: Exactly. So what about all those NOAA maps showing nothing but BN over our region for precipitation?? I posted this in the ENSO thread back in July: On 7/19/2023 at 11:43 AM, Hoosier said: Ninos can be dry around the Lakes/Midwest, but that dry signal sort of fades in stronger Ninos. So I'd be skeptical of any forecasts that have a dry winter across the region. The better dry signal in strong Ninos is more toward the Ohio Valley, and so far it has been drier down in that area. Only 1 out of 3 meteorological winter months done though, so we'll see what happens in the next couple months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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