too cold...below 0 and its too brittle, but c ull take it over 37 any day of the week Kids practice last night at - 3. Tough 9 n 10yr olds

Very similar! One year ago and 1 minute ago.

Skied the last 4 days in 50 degree sunshine at Mt. Bachelor and I'm about to takeoff from the Redmond airport and it's a whole different cold, dark, dreary world. The temp dropped 19 degrees in 3 minutes when we drove down the mountain into the inversion.

Reason number 23 the GFS is dumb. The GFS isn't predicting snow in Georgia, but the same model predicts like 17" of snowdepth in Northern Georgia where it predicted -20 degree temps. Clearly the snow depth parameter (which heavily impacts the ground temp forecast) assumes all frozen precip including ZR is snow.

Anyone know when the data from the hurricane hunters will be used in the models? Will it be in tonight's 00z runs or tomorrow's 12z?