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[SilverFallsAndrew]

12 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Andrew is a free speech absolutist when it's convenient.

I just think Haley showed us who she really is. Trying to find the daylight between her and Biden, but I can't. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/opinion/why-tiktokers-are-fawning-over-osama-bin-laden/

Sick.

[Anti Marine Layer]

39 minutes ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

https://nypost.com/2023/11/16/opinion/why-tiktokers-are-fawning-over-osama-bin-laden/

Sick.

Yet some people are more worried about "our democracy" (freedom to kill unborn babies, freedom to mutilate children, and freedom from inequality under capitalism)

[SnarkyGoblin]

4 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Yet some people are more worried about "our democracy" (freedom to kill unborn babies, freedom to mutilate children, and freedom from inequality under capitalism)

I don't understand this response to the bin laden oped.  You will take anything and somehow make it about [insert generic conservative thing]>

Btw, "our democracy" is more important than a tiktok. 

[roadtonowhere08]

15 minutes ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

I don't understand this response to the bin laden oped.  You will take anything and somehow make it about [insert generic conservative thing]>

Btw, "our democracy" is more important than a tiktok. 

At least he did not say the word "Marxist" 

[Iceresistance]

13 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

At least he did not say the word "Marxist" 

You are going to probably speak too soon.

[roadtonowhere08]

3 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

You are going to probably speak too soon.

Most assuredly 

[Andie]

7 hours ago, SilverFallsAndrew said:

I just think Haley showed us who she really is. Trying to find the daylight between her and Biden, but I can't. 

I think her balloon is running out of hot air.  
We will see a hard push but she’ll fold.  Money most likely will dry up unlike her crocodile tears over her passion for the nation.  

[Iceresistance]

Finally, some of the footage has been concealed for too long

Speaker Mike Johnson to release ALL videos from January 6 starting TODAY - and will blur out the faces of some of rioters (msn.com)

[Anti Marine Layer]

2 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

I don't understand this response to the bin laden oped.  You will take anything and somehow make it about [insert generic conservative thing]>

Btw, "our democracy" is more important than a tiktok. 

The problem is that we cannot agree on what a democracy means. That's why the Republicans consider Democrats to be a threat to democracy and the Democrats consider the Republicans to be a threat to democracy. One side is afraid of losing their freedom of speech and freedom of religion (values the country was founded on) and the other side is terrified of losing their freedom of abortion and LGBTQ rights. That's also why SPLC calls Focus on the Family a hate group.

Then there's the young people who think government should equally distribute wealth between all races and genders, which once again is against our founding principles of equal rights (not guaranteed equal results). That's like averaging all grades in school to be C's so no smart students get ahead and no dumb students fall behind. It kills all incentives to work hard and makes everybody lazy.

Really there could be a second civil war.

 

 

[roadtonowhere08]

Trump ‘engaged in an insurrection,’ judge says, but should remain on Colorado ballot

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Normally, I would not care about this, but the following text caught my eye:

The provision explicitly bans insurrectionists from serving as US senators, representatives, and even presidential electors – but it does not say presidents. It says it covers “any office, civil or military, under the United States,” and Wallace ruled that this does not include the office of the presidency.

Seems to me "any office" should cover "the office" of the presidency.

Point blank: Nobody wants to make precedent over the president.  The president is above the law.

[Iceresistance]

24 minutes ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Trump ‘engaged in an insurrection,’ judge says, but should remain on Colorado ballot

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Normally, I would not care about this, but the following text caught my eye:

The provision explicitly bans insurrectionists from serving as US senators, representatives, and even presidential electors – but it does not say presidents. It says it covers “any office, civil or military, under the United States,” and Wallace ruled that this does not include the office of the presidency.

Seems to me "any office" should cover "the office" of the presidency.

Point blank: Nobody wants to make precedent over the president.  The president is above the law.

I am confused on what I just read

[Andie]

 

Excerpt from end of Trump speech where he asked them to go down to the Capitol.

"And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.

So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America."

Full Transcript-

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

[Iceresistance]

1 hour ago, Andie said:

 

Excerpt from end of Trump speech where he asked them to go down to the Capitol.

"And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.

So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America."

Full Transcript-

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

I don't see anything that shows that boldly suggests that he wants an insurrection and to storm the Capitol.

[Iceresistance]

Pro-Communist Minnesota for the flags!?

Minnesota considers changing flag after historic 1893 design accused of racism against Native Americans (msn.com)

[Chewbacca Defense]

3 hours ago, roadtonowhere08 said:

Trump ‘engaged in an insurrection,’ judge says, but should remain on Colorado ballot

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Normally, I would not care about this, but the following text caught my eye:

The provision explicitly bans insurrectionists from serving as US senators, representatives, and even presidential electors – but it does not say presidents. It says it covers “any office, civil or military, under the United States,” and Wallace ruled that this does not include the office of the presidency.

Seems to me "any office" should cover "the office" of the presidency.

Point blank: Nobody wants to make precedent over the president.  The president is above the law.

According to Conservative Constitutional Scholar Michael Luttig, it very much applies to the President.  My guess is that Judge Wallace was afraid (rightly so unfortunately) to take the final step of excluding the Mango Menace from the ballot.  She really had to reachto come up with this interpretation.

 

[Chewbacca Defense]

33 minutes ago, Iceresistance said:

I don't see anything that shows that boldly suggests that he wants an insurrection and to storm the Capitol.

We've covered this before, though I think it may have been with AML....It's so much more than just this speech.  The speech by itself, while inflammatory, would certainly be hard to see as enough to incite insurrection.   You have to include everything that was said in the weeks/months leading up to this event.  But Conservatives conveniently ignore that.

I'll just leave this here....

[roadtonowhere08]

2 hours ago, Chewbacca Defense said:

According to Conservative Constitutional Scholar Michael Luttig, it very much applies to the President.  My guess is that Judge Wallace was afraid (rightly so unfortunately) to take the final step of excluding the Mango Menace from the ballot.  She really had to reachto come up with this interpretation.

 

Right, but until someone has the guts to make good on that seemingly obvious fact, he is, for all intents and purposes, above the law.  Hoping for a loss in 2024 because the crazy right wingers might 1/6 all over again is a glaring weakness in our judicial system.  They'll just ***** and moan about it being rigged again.

These people cannot be reasoned with.

[hawkstwelve]

TikTok should be banned. 

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

18 hours ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

The problem is that we cannot agree on what a democracy means. That's why the Republicans consider Democrats to be a threat to democracy and the Democrats consider the Republicans to be a threat to democracy. One side is afraid of losing their freedom of speech and freedom of religion (values the country was founded on) and the other side is terrified of losing their freedom of abortion and LGBTQ rights. That's also why SPLC calls Focus on the Family a hate group.

Then there's the young people who think government should equally distribute wealth between all races and genders, which once again is against our founding principles of equal rights (not guaranteed equal results). That's like averaging all grades in school to be C's so no smart students get ahead and no dumb students fall behind. It kills all incentives to work hard and makes everybody lazy.

Really there could be a second civil war.

 

 

I think you're confusing democracy with policy.

There's zero debate what democracy means (representative government).  Some just think it's less important than getting the policy they want.

[Stormy]

22 hours ago, Andie said:

 

Excerpt from end of Trump speech where he asked them to go down to the Capitol.

"And I say this despite all that’s happened. The best is yet to come.

So we’re going to, we’re going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And we’re going to the Capitol, and we’re going to try and give.

The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.

So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

I want to thank you all. God bless you and God Bless America."

Full Transcript-

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-tria

 I immediately noticed that you left out the part when Trump said "peacefully and patriotically".  The mainstream media usually leave that part out too. Trump never expected the crowd to get out of control and actually enter the White House, but there were agitators in the crowd like Ray Epps and others dressed as Trump supporters who worked them up and tried to get them to breach the barricades, etc. and some capitol police on the inside were actually opening doors and showing people around once they were inside. I could share a video except I'm not sure if I can find them right away. 

Here's one of the Ray Epps videos. 

https://x.com/45is47/status/1704170628738101634?s=20

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1704164278536901050?s=20

https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=MYzgXQV2oi01jUr9

[Andie]

I copied this from a transcript.  They left that out. But I don’t see where he said anything about entering the Capitol, or show em’, or demonstrate forcefully in the transcript. .  
It was whipped up either along the way or once they got there. I saw video of someone shouting at  them once they arrived but I don’t know who they were.  
It was such a mess. Some said FBI but I don’t know for certain.  Was it ever proved? The whole thing felt artificial in ways.  

[Rubus Leucodermis]

3 hours ago, Stormy said:

 I immediately noticed that you left out the part when Trump said "peacefully and patriotically".  The mainstream media usually leave that part out too. Trump never expected the crowd to get out of control and actually enter the White House, but there were agitators in the crowd like Ray Epps and others dressed as Trump supporters who worked them up and tried to get them to breach the barricades, etc. and some capitol police on the inside were actually opening doors and showing people around once they were inside. I could share a video except I'm not sure if I can find them right away. 

Here's one of the Ray Epps videos. 

https://x.com/45is47/status/1704170628738101634?s=20

https://x.com/charliekirk11/status/1704164278536901050?s=20

https://youtu.be/Opy7MLGAPBk?si=MYzgXQV2oi01jUr9

I don't think he had to explicitly call for rioting in order to incite the rioting.

All he had to do was to lie and claim the election was stolen from him. Which he did.

Because if it really was stolen, rioting would be deserved.

[Stormy]

Lol  Anti-Trumper Laura Ingraham was surprised and disappointed! 

https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1725684318628909062?s=20

[Stormy]

8 hours ago, Andie said:

I copied this from a transcript.  They left that out. But I don’t see where he said anything about entering the Capitol, or show em’, or demonstrate forcefully in the transcript. .  
It was whipped up either along the way or once they got there. I saw video of someone shouting at  them once they arrived but I don’t know who they were.  
It was such a mess. Some said FBI but I don’t know for certain.  Was it ever proved? The whole thing felt artificial in ways.  

The video that Tucker had aired last summer of the Shamen being escorted was enough evidence and proof that they soon had no choice but to release him from jail. It was also enough to get Tucker fired from Fox, before he could expose more evidence and before his contract was up, but I think he's still being paid till his contract expires. I've long known that Fox is part of the swamp. But it's good he was fired because now he's not surpressed and has a larger audience on Twitter since that isn't being censored much anymore either. 

 Recently Jacob Chansley, the man known as the QAnon Shaman, has filed papers to run for Congress in Arizona as a Libertarian.

 

https://x.com/NEWSMAX/status/1724124125734564195?s=20

Part 2:

https://x.com/Truth_InMedia/status/1723011043734040939?s=20

[Stormy]

Hmm. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/x-corp-to-file-lawsuit-against-media-watchdog-others-musk/ar-AA1k8hnw

[Stormy]

Xi Van Fleet is an American legal immigrant who escaped from communist China and even knew the horrors of living under China’s communist dictator Mao Zedong.

She is now raising an alarm and speaking to anyone who will listen, claiming that the ‘woke’ movement of the left is exactly like the Cultural Revolution in China that saw young people turned against their own countrymen in the form of the Red Guard.

She recently spoke to Glenn Beck. I'm not at all a fan of Glen Beck, but this is something to think about. 

 

[SnarkyGoblin]

[Andie]

Thank goodness there are elections and not “appointments,” to office.  
Elections have consequences.  
So who will run against Trump? Besides DeSantis. 

[Anti Marine Layer]

23 hours ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

I don't think he had to explicitly call for rioting in order to incite the rioting.

All he had to do was to lie and claim the election was stolen from him. Which he did.

Because if it really was stolen, rioting would be deserved.

Democrats said the 2016 election was stolen by Russia.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 hour ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

Democrats said the 2016 election was stolen by Russia.

Sorry, no.

Hillary did not refuse to concede and insist she was the rightfully-elected president.

[Anti Marine Layer]

26 minutes ago, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Sorry, no.

Hillary did not refuse to concede and insist she was the rightfully-elected president.

She had Jill Stein to do it for her.

[Rubus Leucodermis]

1 minute ago, Anti Marine Layer said:

She had Jill Stein to do it for her.

Stein never insisted she was president, either.

She did pay for a recount (IIRC in Wisconsin), but that is not the same as baselessly insisting you won.

[Stormy]

14 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

This is more like it! 

[Stormy]

On 11/19/2023 at 11:28 PM, Rubus Leucodermis said:

Stein never insisted she was president, either.

She did pay for a recount (IIRC in Wisconsin), but that is not the same as baselessly insisting you won.

It's not a baseless claim cuz there's plenty of election fraud. 

 

[Rubus Leucodermis]

21 minutes ago, Stormy said:

It's not a baseless claim cuz there's plenty of it election fraud. 

 

It's totally baseless. Nobody was willing to testify under penalty of perjury for any degree of fraud sufficient enough to change the results.

[Chewbacca Defense]

53 minutes ago, Stormy said:

This is more like it! 

[SnarkyGoblin]

51 minutes ago, Stormy said:

This is more like it! 

Not even sure what kind of reaction to give to this garbage. 

Even Georgia's charges have nothing to do with the Federal Government.

Based off your recent posts, you have gotten more insane.

[SilverFallsAndrew]

On 11/18/2023 at 6:29 AM, hawkstwelve said:

TikTok should be banned. 

 

Funny this got no response from the left wing crowd in here who love to claim they are the TRUE PATRIOTS. 

[SilverFallsAndrew]

9 hours ago, SnarkyGoblin said:

Not even sure what kind of reaction to give to this garbage. 

Even Georgia's charges have nothing to do with the Federal Government.

Based off your recent posts, you have gotten more insane.

It's pretty obvious Trump is the victim of political persecution. The fact is he has never been more popular and his poll numbers have never been higher. You can pretend that isn't true, but it is... We are witnessing peak Trump, RIGHT NOW, the only question is if this can sustain for 11 1/2 more months.