einsteinjr 77 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Title says it all. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iFred 4366 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Looking forward to the responses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BLI snowman 5346 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 Anyone who doesn't buy worst case projections hook, line, and sinker is labeled some sort of skeptic nowadays.The boundaries of the discussion are becomingly increasingly polarized and wrought with hyperbole, sadly. Worst case scenarios exist for a reason. Generally to model an outlier that will primarily function as a means of driving an agenda home. And the title doesn't actually say much, as I'm not sure what you're really asking or trying to say. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 643 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Would you elaborate? Projected climate change impacts are all over the board. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
iFred 4366 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Anyone who doesn't buy worst case projections hook, line, and sinker is labeled some sort of skeptic nowadays.The boundaries of the discussion are becomingly increasingly polarized and wrought with hyperbole, sadly. Worst case scenarios exist for a reason. Generally to model an outlier that will primarily function as a means of driving an agenda home. And the title doesn't actually say much, as I'm not sure what you're really asking or trying to say. He is posting this to validate a perception that he has of the board, a place filled with alt right neo nazis foaming at the mouth to start lynchings to Make America Great Again. I don't think there is any intellectual honesty in this and it just serve as fly paper to some political torture fetish. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chris 643 Posted December 18, 2019 Report Share Posted December 18, 2019 Certain aspects of the media, more interested in clickbait than information, have hyped the runaway feedback and catastrophic consequences that ignore the bulk of the science. Failed predictions (ice-free arctic by 2013, etc.) not based in science only create doubters. Doubters are further inflamed when attacked personally or dissension is suppressed. I can't imagine there are many people on this forum that think we can pump CO2, particulates,and all kinds of other unnatural substances, coupled with deforestation and development, without impacting the climate. The extent of the impact is the controversy. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snow_wizard 9491 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Oh boy! For starters I would like to see evidence the current climate would be any different if mankind wasn't walking the Earth. It is simply unproveable given the fact that nothing we are seeing is outside of the envelope of what has happened in the past. As I'm sure many younger people aren't aware sea levels rose over 50 feet and maybe as much as 200 feet after the last ice age before man could have had any impact whatsoever. Now the global warming proponents freak out over an inch or so rise in the last 100 years? There was a brief period earlier in this interglacial period where temperatures were warmer than present and excellent evidence the warmest period during the last interglacial was warmer than present as well. Climate change is literally a constant. Always has been and always will be. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2020-21 stats Total Snowfall = 0.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0 Total Hail = 0.0" Coldest Low = 25 Lows 32 or below = 10 Highs 32 or below = 0 Lows 20 or below = 0 Highs 40 or below = 0 Link to post Share on other sites
snow_wizard 9491 Posted December 22, 2019 Report Share Posted December 22, 2019 Certain aspects of the media, more interested in clickbait than information, have hyped the runaway feedback and catastrophic consequences that ignore the bulk of the science. Failed predictions (ice-free arctic by 2013, etc.) not based in science only create doubters. Doubters are further inflamed when attacked personally or dissension is suppressed. I can't imagine there are many people on this forum that think we can pump CO2, particulates,and all kinds of other unnatural substances, coupled with deforestation and development, without impacting the climate. The extent of the impact is the controversy. Good points. We also have no idea what mechanisms nature may have to offset any effect we might be having. There is also a chance the things we might doing to effect the climate could be cancelling each other out to some extent. Such as one thing might encourage warming while another could cause cooling. 1 Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2020-21 stats Total Snowfall = 0.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0 Total Hail = 0.0" Coldest Low = 25 Lows 32 or below = 10 Highs 32 or below = 0 Lows 20 or below = 0 Highs 40 or below = 0 Link to post Share on other sites
Wxmidatlantic 261 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Climate Change. Now that's something sure to get the blood boiling. Strickly speaking Climate Change, or global warming, is a scheme for the development of a carbon tax. This carbon tax will fund the developing Global Government. This scheme has already captured the mainstream media and most government institutions. It has produced division that can only be reconciled with civil war. To answer your question. What would it take to change my mind? C follows T. Not the other way around. C being carbon and T is temperature. If you can reverse this property of physics. I'm on board. The fact is that heat is energy. The more heat, the more biological activity. The process of more life increases both methane and carbon emissions. Quote A Navy Chief said, "Never change your forecast. That way you can only be wrong once." Link to post Share on other sites
OKwx2k4 3694 Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Seeing real evidence would be a great start. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OKwx2k4 3694 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 Disprove Newton's 3rd law. That will help too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weatherfan2012 246 Posted October 5 Report Share Posted October 5 Robert Filex posted this a few days ago which is interesting https://www.iceagenow.info/now-descending-into-an-ice-age-video/. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Link 16 Posted October 6 Report Share Posted October 6 Is this west coast warming (especially Oregon and California) related to global cooling or warming? It seems to me that this is proof enough of a warming world (with or without internal manipulation by people and governments) and various severe events like Fukushima,2004 India earthquake.etc which made pretty significant geological impacts beyond what the MSM press says. These geological impacts play small but important roles in climate shifts the more they happen. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FAR_Weather 4606 Posted October 8 Report Share Posted October 8 On 10/6/2020 at 4:12 PM, Link said: Is this west coast warming (especially Oregon and California) related to global cooling or warming? It seems to me that this is proof enough of a warming world (with or without internal manipulation by people and governments) and various severe events like Fukushima,2004 India earthquake.etc which made pretty significant geological impacts beyond what the MSM press says. These geological impacts play small but important roles in climate shifts the more they happen. Nobody is skeptical about the fact that the planet has warmed. Quote >1" Snowfalls for Fargo-Hector Int'l Airport in 2020-21: 10/20 (4.2"), 10/22 (2.7"), Total Snowfall for 2020-2021 @ KFAR: 8.8" Coldest Low: 9*F (11/17) First flake of the season: 10/15 @ 21:27 CDT Link to post Share on other sites
snow_wizard 9491 Posted October 11 Report Share Posted October 11 My new response to this is I'm not a skeptic of climate change at all. It has been changing constantly for the past several million years. The vast majority of those years there were no men walking the Earth...so there you go. Quote Death To Warm Anomalies! Winter 2020-21 stats Total Snowfall = 0.0" Day with 1" or more snow depth = 0 Total Hail = 0.0" Coldest Low = 25 Lows 32 or below = 10 Highs 32 or below = 0 Lows 20 or below = 0 Highs 40 or below = 0 Link to post Share on other sites
luminen 342 Posted October 13 Report Share Posted October 13 On 10/6/2020 at 2:12 PM, Link said: Is this west coast warming (especially Oregon and California) related to global cooling or warming? It seems to me that this is proof enough of a warming world (with or without internal manipulation by people and governments) and various severe events like Fukushima,2004 India earthquake.etc which made pretty significant geological impacts beyond what the MSM press says. These geological impacts play small but important roles in climate shifts the more they happen. No. Seismicity plays no part in short-term climate change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weatherfan2012 246 Posted October 13 Report Share Posted October 13 On 10/6/2020 at 5:12 PM, Link said: Is this west coast warming (especially Oregon and California) related to global cooling or warming? It seems to me that this is proof enough of a warming world (with or without internal manipulation by people and governments) and various severe events like Fukushima,2004 India earthquake.etc which made pretty significant geological impacts beyond what the MSM press says. These geological impacts play small but important roles in climate shifts the more they happen. Robert Filex states alot that he beleaves underground volcanos are a factor in the ocean warming. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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