jaster220 Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 12z RGEM starting to get in range and picking up on some nice LES totals in SW MI. Showing nice lake plume/squall that has a good chance of dumping some heavy snows. You can easily fluff up these totals 2x or more... Yeah, looking pretty good for Berrien Cnty and Michiana Region. IWX was more impressed per the overnight AFD: .LONG TERM...(SUNDAY THROUGH FRIDAY)ISSUED AT 440 AM EST SAT JAN 2 2016 THE SECOND IN A SERIES OF SHORT WAVE TROFS WAS DISTANT UPSTREAMEARLY THIS MORNING AND WAS STILL OVER THE ARCTIC REGIONS OFNORTHERN CANADA. THIS SYSTEM WILL RACE SOUTHEAST TODAY AND SUNDAYAND IS EXPECTED TO BRING A QUICK ROUND OF MAINLY LAKE EFFECT SNOWSHOWERS LATE SUNDAY INTO EARLY MONDAY. THE EDGE OF A FRESH SURGEOF ARCTIC AIR WILL ACCOMPANY THIS SYSTEM WITH A BRIEF INTRUSION OFARCTIC AIR. AS HAS BEEN THE PATTERN FOR THE PAST SEVERALWEEKS...THE DOME OF ARCTIC AIR WILL MOVE EAST AND OUT OF THE AREAQUICKLY ALLOWING TEMPERATURES TO RISE ABOVE NORMAL FOR MOST OFTHIS UPCOMING WEEK. IN THE INTERIM..A BRIEF WINDOW FOR FAVORABLELAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS SUNDAY NIGHT WILL EXIST. GIVEN FAVORABLEUPSTREAM PRECONDITIONING FROM LAKE SUPERIOR AND THE MILD WATERS OFLAKE MICHIGAN THAT ARE ABOUT 4 DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL FOR THIS TIMEOF YEAR...INCREASED SNOW SHOWER CHANCES FOR FAR SOUTHWEST LOWERMICHIGAN INTO NORTHWEST INDIANA. CURRENT THINKING IS THE HIGHESTSNOW AMOUNTS WILL BE OVER BERRIEN COUNTY AND RANGE FROM 2 TO 4INCHES. LESSER AMOUNTS ARE EXPECT FURTHER INLAND. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 Very nice day today with a temp around 30°. 4km NAM showing a meso low feature on the west side of the lake on Monday afternoon. Looks interesting. LOT saying 1-3" near the lake right now. BY SUNDAY NIGHT...THE LONGWAVE PATTERN ALOFT WILL BECOME MOREPROGRESSIVE...WITH LONGWAVE TROUGHING SHARPENING OVER THE ERN CONUSAND UPPER RIDGING BUILDING ACROSS THE CENTRAL PLAINS. AT THESFC...HIGH PRESSURE WILL SPREAD ACROSS THE MIDDLE AND UPPERMISSISSIPPI VALLEY AND INTO THE WRN GREAT LAKES. A FETCH OF COLDNLY FLOW IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP OVER LAKE MICHIGAN...SETTING UP ASCENARIO FAVORABLE FOR A PLUME OF LAKE EFFECT SNOW TO DEVELOP. MUCHOF THE GUIDANCE IS INDICATING A CONVERGENCE ZONE DEVELOPING ALONGTHE SPINE OF LAKE MICHIGAN SUNDAY NIGHT INTO MONDAY MORNING...FOCUSING A LAKE EFFECT BAND. THIS LAKE EFFECT BAND IS EXPECTED TOSLOWLY MOVE TO THE WEST THROUGH THE DAY ON MONDAY...BRINGINGACCUMULATING LAKE EFFECT SNOW TO NWRN INDIANA MONDAY MORNING ANDTHEN SHIFT INTO NERN ILLINOIS MONDAY AFTERNOON. AT THIS TIME...EXPECT AN AREA OF 1 TO 3 INCHES OF SNOW ACCUMULATION NEAR THE LAKEFROM AROUND CHESTERTON...INDIANA TO EVANSTON ILLINOIS. WHILE THEHIGHEST SNOW ACCUMULATION SHOULD GENERALLY BE NEAR THELAKE...LIGHTER ACCUMULATIONS ARE LIKELY INTO THE WESTERN ANDSOUTHERN SUBURBS OF THE CHICAGO AREA IN NERN IL AND ACROSS LAKE ANDPORTER COUNTIES IN NWRN INDIANA. AS THE CENTER OF HIGH PRESSURECROSSES LAKE MICHIGAN MONDAY EVENING INTO SRN LOWER MICHIGAN...THELAKE EFFECT PLUME WILL DISINTEGRATE WITH LOW LEVEL WINDS SHIFTING TOSELY AND THEN SLY BY TUESDAY MORNING. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 2, 2016 Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 18z NAM has a definitely mesolow forming over the lake and they helps drive the snow bands inland. Little accumulation starting to show up. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2016 I'd take a fresh 1-2" from this and be happy...hopefully these stronger bands swing through and can wobble around for a few hours before winds shift southerly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIZZARD09 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Looks like LOT backing off on the lake snow accumulations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 If a meso low gets going then the current forecast could get thrown on the windows. Those meso lows have a mind of there own. Seen them over perform big time before. 4km NAM looks good for the morning. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Went to Omaha for a Christmas yesterday and today. Very jealous of their snowpack. Good 6 inches or more on the ground in a lot of places. As you go west, very little in Lincoln, a little more towards York, then it dwindled down to almost nothing in central Nebraska. We sure need a share the wealth storm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Latest weather graphic from WGN/Skilling. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 LOT's take on the LES tomorrow... http://www.weather.gov/images/lot/WxStory/FileL.png?rand=17914 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim the weatherman Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 hope to know that I am going back to the manor today so I will not be on this fourm until I get back on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Snow showers building in SE WI/NE IL...Soldier Field seeing some snow ATM... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIZZARD09 Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Hi Tom and Geos--long time since we spoke--love listening to you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Hi Tom and Geos--long time since we spoke--love listening to youGlad to see ya back! You might get some snow shower activity soon...lining up on the Dan Ryan Expressway right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Some embedded heavier snow showers showing up in SE WI...anyone getting underneath them?? I don't think these were in the forecast today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 3, 2016 Report Share Posted January 3, 2016 Hi Tom and Geos--long time since we spoke--love listening to you Glad to see you in here again! Welcome back. Some embedded heavier snow showers showing up in SE WI...anyone getting underneath them?? I don't think these were in the forecast today. I was trying to figure out if those snow showers were from the front or are they left over moisture from Lake Superior LES.? There's been mood snowflakes falling here since 10am. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 NMM snowfall accumulations. LOT is still mentioning some light accumulations. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Getting moderate snow here. Already a dusting. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Getting moderate snow here. Already a dusting.Same here...not as impressive as I'd hoped it would be but nice to see mod snow fly at times... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Same here...not as impressive as I'd hoped it would be but nice to see mod snow fly at times...It came down heavy for 10 minutes. Probably got 0.7" or so. 1 Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 12z RGEM starting to get in range and picking up on some nice LES totals in SW MI. Showing nice lake plume/squall that has a good chance of dumping some heavy snows. You can easily fluff up these totals 2x or more... NMM snowfall accumulations. LOT is still mentioning some light accumulations. http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/wrf-nmm/2016010312/wrf-nmm_asnow_ncus_41.png NMM for the win! About 3-4" at the immediate lakeshore here in St. Joe and the final squall was awesome with a brief whiteout at the office. Vis literally was 200 foot or less! Very sweet to see! There were places in Van Buren Cnty with upwards of 5 inches around 7am this morning. Somehow they did better than the immediate lakeshore with this. Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLIZZARD09 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 lake snow not adding up to much here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Looks like Tom is right under the 20dbz+ returns now. Flurries continue here with a few breaks in the clouds. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Looks like Tom is right under the 25dbz+ returns now.Yes! Getting some pretty good rates IMBY...nice fatty flakes for sure...fresh coating OTG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Clipper parade showing up on GFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 4, 2016 Report Share Posted January 4, 2016 Clipper parade showing up on GFS. There's some really nice ones on there.I see a couple weak waves on the GGEM Day 9 or so. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 DMX talking snow, wind and bitter cold.http://kamala.cod.edu/ia/latest.fxus63.KDMX.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 We now have 4 days into the record books for January 2016. And here in GR we now have a mean temp of 27.4° and while this is much colder then it was in December we are still running +2.4° (after a cold night last night that will drop) The low of +10° at the airport was the coldest by far for this winter (so far). GR has recorded 1.2” of snow this month and the total for the winter is still only at 7.2” and we have 2” of ice/snow on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 It's running +0.6° currently for the month, which is nothing special. If the nights would have had less clouds then it would be even lower. 14° this morning. Sitting at about 30° right now.Snow/ice pack is not budging and I think it will hold up straight into next week. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 5, 2016 Report Share Posted January 5, 2016 It's running +0.6° currently for the month, which is nothing special. If the nights would have had less clouds then it would be even lower. 14° this morning. Sitting at about 30° right now.Snow/ice pack is not budging and I think it will hold up straight into next week.La Crosse +6.5 Rochester +2.6. Should go up considerably through friday before the big plunge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 I've never seen an off the chart AO run... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/ao.sprd2.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 06z GFS...loading up the snow near the Lakes next 10 days...boring??? For some yes, but that's the way nature is going to play... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted January 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Latest (nowcast) CFSv2 run for January...looks like most of the Nation below normal...what happened here??? Debacle... http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/CFSv2/imagesInd3/glbT2mMonInd1.gif 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ENSTDEP2WIDE_6z/M7D7.gif Next 7 days on the GFS ensembles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 And the following 7 days. http://mp1.met.psu.edu/~fxg1/ENSTDEP2WIDE_6z/M7D14.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 This has turned out to be a very nice early January day here in west Michigan with lots of sun and the temp is now up to 37° here at my house. I will get out and go for a nice walk outside today. I will play it on the conservative side for next weeks expected cold and snow. Mother nature has a way of doing what she wants to do and for some reason she does not look at any of the weather models (or if she does she just laughs at them) with the little snow we have had this winter so far I have not even bought gas for the snow blower yet (I may get some before next week just in case) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Easy to say the next 7 days will be below normal for all of us in the Great Lakes and Upper Midwest.+pna, -nao, -ao, -epo will make sure of that. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Easy to say the next 7 days will be below normal for all of us in the Great Lakes and Upper Midwest.+pna, -nao, -ao, -epo will make sure of that.Below normal yes sure but no anything like what was being painted previously. We are gonna have large positive departures today through saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westMJim Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Fun fact….So far this winter season Grand Rapids has only received 7.2” of snow. Well in looking back the last time Grand Rapids made it to January 6th with less then 7.2” of snow was way back in the winter of 1931/31 when as of January 6th 1932 Grand Rapids had only received 7.1” of snow. There were no true arctic outbreaks in either January nor February of 1932 But there was in March of 1932 and in that March GR received 25.3” of snow. The total snow fall for the winter of 1931/32 at GR was 41.1” a couple of recent winters that got this deep with little snow fall are 2011/12 and 2012/13 when in both winters only 9.8” of snow fell by January 6th the season snow fall for those winters was 51.2 in 2011/12 and 66” in 2012/13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geos Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 Below normal yes sure but no anything like what was being painted previously. We are gonna have large positive departures today through saturday It's the lows that are killing us. Today is the first day it's broken above freezing since the sleet storm. Quote Mercer Island, 350 ft 2021-2022: 11.6", 02/21 2020-2021: 15.6" 2019-2020: ~10" 2018-2019 winter snowfall total: 29.5" 2017-2018: 9.0", 2016-2017: 14.0" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted January 6, 2016 Report Share Posted January 6, 2016 It's the lows that are killing us. Today is the first day it's broken above freezing since the sleet storm.Sure and lows are also used to calculate temperature departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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