gosaints Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 7 inches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 3.5" of powder on my deck. Current temp of 28F is helping with accumulations on the paved surfaces. It's interesting to note, when I took a walk outside when the first flakes began to fly, the paved surfaces that were in the sun shine all day were wet while the ones that were either covered by a car or in the shade were accumulating snow. Obviously the UV from the March sun was absorbed into the sidewalks/roadways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Hey Niko, are you getting hit by the lake band coming off Lake Erie? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madtown Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Maybe 3 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowawx Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Maybe 2 inches in Villa Park, Illinois. When does the lake effect snow begin in dupage county? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Here is a link for those who want to monitor the wind vectors...you can really see the air piling up near MKE... https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/1000hPa/orthographic=-90.76,40.66,3000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Maybe 2 inches in Villa Park, Illinois. When does the lake effect snow begin in dupage county?I think after 6:00pm or so... Meantime, basically all the higher rez models are still showing a good LES event... 00z WRF-NMM... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/wrf-nmm/2017031300/wrf-nmm_apcpn_ncus_48.png 00z WRF-ARW... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/wrf-arw/2017031300/wrf-arw_apcpn_ncus_48.png 06z RGEM... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/rgem/2017031306/rgem_apcpn_ncus_14.png 06z NAM-4km... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam4km/2017031306/nam4km_apcpn_ncus_14.png 06z NAM 3km... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam3km/2017031306/nam3km_apcpn_ncus_14.png 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Here is another very good radar I use from COD meteorology: http://weather.cod.edu/satrad/nexrad/index.php?type=MKX-N0Q-1-12 Awesome loop showing the lake moisture hammering WI lakeshore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Just insane snowfall rates are expected along the EC...2-5"/hr...hope to see something of a tease here with the LES... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I think after 6:00pm or so... Meantime, basically all the higher rez models are still showing a good LES event... 00z WRF-NMM... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/wrf-nmm/2017031300/wrf-nmm_apcpn_ncus_48.png 00z WRF-ARW... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/wrf-arw/2017031300/wrf-arw_apcpn_ncus_48.png 06z RGEM... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/rgem/2017031306/rgem_apcpn_ncus_14.png 06z NAM-4km,,, http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam4km/2017031306/nam4km_apcpn_ncus_14.png 06z NAM 3km... http://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/nam3km/2017031306/nam3km_apcpn_ncus_14.pngGood sign the hi-res not backing down on LES. Normally don't get too excited about these type of events this side of the lake but for some reason I have a feeling some areas could see double digits from this especially if it trains in one area for a prolonged period of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoorani Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 How long will the LE last on this side of the lake and hopefully we can get great totals out of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Good sign the hi-res not backing down on LES. Normally don't get too excited about these type of events this side of the lake but for some reason I have a feeling some areas could see double digits from this especially if it trains in one area for a prolonged period of time.I agree with ya! Just look what is happening across the "cheddar curtain". Its supposed to continue snowing up that way all day long till about 5:00-7:00pm before the winds veer more N/NE. Waukegan up to 5.5" already...they will likely see the most snow in NE IL... Just saw the latest RPM and it is suggesting an additional 5-7" for Lake/Cook/Dupage county in Illinois and as well as Lake/Porter county in IN. I think IndianaJohn can get crushed tomorrow and even the south side of Chicago as the lake plume doesn't move all to much later on Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 How long will the LE last on this side of the lake and hopefully we can get great totals out of itThru midday tomorrow...might hug the shoreline a little longer into the evening tomorrow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Still a lot more to come... MKX should have issued a warning of some sort IMO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMB443 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Coming down really nice west of Milwaukee about 15 miles from the lake. Roads a mess. Nice big fat flakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Still a lot more to come... MKX should have issued a warning of some sort IMOHow much have you picked up since the LE band starting dumping snow?? Sounds like it's snowing pretty good over the past 2 hours. I love seeing those fatty flakes fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Coming down really nice west of Milwaukee about 15 miles from the lake. Roads a mess. Nice big fat flakes.About 1"/hr??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 How much have you picked up since the LE band starting dumping snow?? Sounds like it's snowing pretty good over the past 2 hours. I love seeing those fatty flakes fly.Couldn't tell you. I'm downtown now, it took me a extra hour. Lake effect warning now.. Snow accumulations... an additional 4 to 7 inches is expected, bringing the storm total to 7 to 15 inches by Tuesday morning. The snow will be dry and powdery inland, possibly a bit wetter toward the lake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMB443 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 About 1"/hr???Yeah, definitely - it's great out there - if you love snow of course. I think this is over-performing. I'd think we've had 2.5 inches here since 7:30 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Hey Niko, are you getting hit by the lake band coming off Lake Erie? I don't think I've ever seen that before.Nothing as of yet. Currently a dusting has fallen! Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMB443 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Couldn't tell you. I'm downtown now, it took me a extra hour. Lake effect warning now.. Snow accumulations... an additional 4 to 7 inches is expected,bringing the storm total to 7 to 15 inches by Tuesday morning.The snow will be dry and powdery inland, possibly a bit wettertoward the lake.Wow - just saw that - pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Should be the biggest snowfall in three years, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 JB has been patiently waiting for his storm. Looks like the more coastal track will finally hit his back yard with a sizeable storm. Couldn't tell you. I'm downtown now, it took me a extra hour.Lake effect warning now..Snow accumulations... an additional 4 to 7 inches is expected,bringing the storm total to 7 to 15 inches by Tuesday morning.The snow will be dry and powdery inland, possibly a bit wettertoward the lake.Finally! Yeah, definitely - it's great out there - if you love snow of course. I think this is over-performing. I'd think we've had 2.5 inches here since 7:30 or so.I had a feeling last night the models were on the right track and this LES event could deliver the goods. 850's are supposed to dive even farther later this afternoon so these bands may intensify even farther. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoorani Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Will LOT also issue lake Effect Warning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Nothing as of yet. Currently a dusting has fallen! @ Tom, I just saw the band on radar....unfortunately, im due north of that dark shaded area. Currently, light snowshowers. Snow should get heavier by pm I think. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Will LOT also issue lake Effect Warning?I think they will later today. Especially since MKE just issued their warning. They were prob nowcasting and seeing how the bands setup and we can see how they are delivering. First time this season I have seen the "heavy snow" wording in my grid: TodaySnow before 1pm, then snow or flurries likely after 1pm. High near 31. Northeast wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 20 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. Total daytime snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches possible.TonightSnow showers or flurries likely before 7pm, then snow showers, mainly after 7pm. The snow could be heavy at times. Low around 22. North northeast wind around 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible.TuesdaySnow showers, mainly before 1pm. The snow could be heavy at times. High near 27. North wind 10 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 80%. New snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indianajohn Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I agree with ya! Just look what is happening across the "cheddar curtain". Its supposed to continue snowing up that way all day long till about 5:00-7:00pm before the winds veer more N/NE. Waukegan up to 5.5" already...they will likely see the most snow in NE IL... Just saw the latest RPM and it is suggesting an additional 5-7" for Lake/Cook/Dupage county in Illinois and as well as Lake/Porter county in IN. I think IndianaJohn can get crushed tomorrow and even the south side of Chicago as the lake plume doesn't move all to much later on Tuesday.From your mouth to god's ears LMAO!!! Having some experience with LES if this thing decides to park itself for any extended period of time we could be in for a doozy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 The last time we have seen a March Blizzard and LES in Chicago was the 1993 Super Storm. I remember Chicago got 6"+ from that event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 And lot pulls the trigger on the LE warning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Hey Niko, are you getting hit by the lake band coming off Lake Erie? I don't think I've ever seen that before. Nothing as of yet. Currently a dusting has fallen! Motown LEhS. A rarity for sure! Special Weather StatementSpecial Weather StatementNational Weather Service Detroit/Pontiac MI855 AM EDT Mon Mar 13 2017MIZ068>070-075-076-082-083-131600-Livingston-Oakland-Macomb-Washtenaw-Wayne-Lenawee-Monroe-Including the cities of Howell, Pontiac, Warren, Ann Arbor,Detroit, Adrian, and Monroe855 AM EDT Mon Mar 13 2017...Lake enhanced snow in the Detroit area...Light snow will continue into the afternoon at rates generallyless than one half inch per hour. The exception will be theDetroit Metro Area, particularly Wayne County and locationsnearby. In these locations, additional moisture feeding off ofLake Erie will contribute to locally higher snowfall rates.Localized rates of up to 1 inch per hour will be possible attimes. Motorists, particularly those in the Detroit Metro Area,should be prepared for rapid deterioration of visibility and roadconditions.$$ Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james1976 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 I might have ended with 7. Hard to tell with the wind and compaction. Puts my season total at about 30. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Wow, LOT sounds impressed with this set up! Lake Effect Snow WarningURGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENational Weather Service Chicago IL1022 AM CDT Mon Mar 13 2017ILZ006-013-014-132330-/O.UPG.KLOT.LE.A.0001.170314T0000Z-170314T2100Z//O.NEW.KLOT.LE.W.0001.170314T0000Z-170314T2100Z//O.CON.KLOT.WW.Y.0003.000000T0000Z-170313T1800Z/Lake IL-DuPage-Cook-Including the cities of Waukegan, Wheaton, and Chicago1022 AM CDT Mon Mar 13 2017...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM CDT THISAFTERNOON......LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM THIS EVENING TO4 PM CDT TUESDAY...The National Weather Service in Chicago has issued a Lake EffectSnow Warning, which is in effect from 7 PM this evening to 4 PMCDT Tuesday. The Lake Effect Snow Watch is no longer in effect.* TIMING...Periods of Light Snow will continue this morning beforetapering off to occasional light snow or flurries in theafternoon. A band of heavy Lake effect snow is then expected todevelop over Northeastern Illinois this evening. This band ofheavy snow will continue into Tuesday morning.* ACCUMULATIONS...An inch or less of additional accumulation today.* LAKE EFFECT SNOW...A band of lake effect snow is forecast todevelop this evening and could become quite intense overnightMonday into Tuesday morning. Typically, these sort of lakeeffect bands are only 10 to 15 miles wide, but can produce veryheavy snow, sometimes in excess of 2 inches per hour. Because ofthe nature of lake effect snow bands, snowfall accumulations andconditions can vary drastically over relatively short distances.While not all areas in the warning will see significant lakeeffect snow, current indications are some locations in thewarning area could experience 5 to 9 inches or more of additionalsnowfall from the lake effect Monday night into Tuesday.* SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...Localized amounts of 5 to 9 inches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Wow, LOT sounds impressed with this set up! Lake Effect Snow WarningURGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGENational Weather Service Chicago IL1022 AM CDT Mon Mar 13 2017 ILZ006-013-014-132330-/O.UPG.KLOT.LE.A.0001.170314T0000Z-170314T2100Z//O.NEW.KLOT.LE.W.0001.170314T0000Z-170314T2100Z//O.CON.KLOT.WW.Y.0003.000000T0000Z-170313T1800Z/Lake IL-DuPage-Cook-Including the cities of Waukegan, Wheaton, and Chicago1022 AM CDT Mon Mar 13 2017 ...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1 PM CDT THISAFTERNOON......LAKE EFFECT SNOW WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 PM THIS EVENING TO4 PM CDT TUESDAY... The National Weather Service in Chicago has issued a Lake EffectSnow Warning, which is in effect from 7 PM this evening to 4 PMCDT Tuesday. The Lake Effect Snow Watch is no longer in effect. * TIMING...Periods of Light Snow will continue this morning beforetapering off to occasional light snow or flurries in theafternoon. A band of heavy Lake effect snow is then expected todevelop over Northeastern Illinois this evening. This band ofheavy snow will continue into Tuesday morning. * ACCUMULATIONS...An inch or less of additional accumulation today. * LAKE EFFECT SNOW...A band of lake effect snow is forecast todevelop this evening and could become quite intense overnightMonday into Tuesday morning. Typically, these sort of lakeeffect bands are only 10 to 15 miles wide, but can produce veryheavy snow, sometimes in excess of 2 inches per hour. Because ofthe nature of lake effect snow bands, snowfall accumulations andconditions can vary drastically over relatively short distances.While not all areas in the warning will see significant lakeeffect snow, current indications are some locations in thewarning area could experience 5 to 9 inches or more of additionalsnowfall from the lake effect Monday night into Tuesday. * SNOW ACCUMULATIONS...Localized amounts of 5 to 9 inches.There ya go Tom, you get inundated, assuming you fall into that band. 3 Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Motown LEhS. A rarity for sure!Quite unusual to say the least. Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaster220 Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Snow began (per KRMY ASOS unit) about 4 am and I measured ~1" just before 6 am, so it over achieved on take-off here in Marshall. This recent reading with 3/4 mile vis is actually really impressive for our ASOS unit. Meanwhile, In St. Joe where it's been a steady light snow all morning I'm not sure of amounts, it's really hard to gage from 3rd floor up. TWC doesn't cover storms like they used to, but they do name them, lol Quote Winter 2023-24 Snow Total = 53.1" (90% Normal Season) Largest Storm: 12" (1/12-13) Oct: 0.1 Nov: 2.9 Dec: 7.5 Jan: 31.7 Feb: 6.0 Mar: 4.3 Apr: 0.1 Avg = 59.2" (Harrison): 2023-24 = 53.1" Avg = 45.0" (KDTW): 2022-23 = 33.5" 2021-22 = 35.6" Avg = 49.7" (KRMY): 2020-21 = 36.2" 2019-20 = 48.0" 2018-19 = 56.1" 2017-18 = 68.3" 2016-17 = 52" 2015-16 = 57.4" 2014-15 = 55.3" 2013-14 = 100.6" (coldest & snowiest in the modern record!) 2012-13 = 47.2" 2011-12 = 43.7" Legit Blizzards (high winds and dbl digit snows): Feb 2011, Dec 2009, Jan 2005, Dec 2000, Jan 1999, Mar 1998, Nov 1989, Jan 1982, Jan 1978, Jan 1977, Apr 1975, Mar 1973, Jan 1967, Feb 1965, Jan 1918 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Snow began (per KRMY ASOS unit) about 4 am and I measured ~1" just before 6 am, so it over achieved on take-off here in Marshall. This recent reading with 3/4 mile vis is actually really impressive for our ASOS unit. Meanwhile, In St. Joe where it's been a steady light snow all morning I'm not sure of amounts, it's really hard to gage from 3rd floor up. TWC doesn't cover storms like they used to, but they do name them, lol Quote Snowfall for Winter 2023 -24 for Metro Detroit Area Oct 2023: 0.2" AN Nov 2023: 2.2" AN Dec 2023: 0.5" BN Insane! Jan 2024: 17.0" AN Feb 2024: 1.9" BN Insane! Mar 2024: 4.9" BN April 2024: Trace Season So Far: 26.7" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 There ya go Tom, you get inundated, assuming you fall into that band. I can't recall if Dupage County has ever been in a LE Snow Warning so should be interesting for sure. Whomever ends up in that band of snow will surely see in excess of 12" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midwest buildit Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Well not enough to work/ plow from this first little storm. Pavement temps appear to be warm as it mostly melted off the blacktop. Come on lake effect. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBadgersW Posted March 13, 2017 Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 Schools are starting to release early around here. If things continue I'm easily going to reach 1'+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted March 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2017 4-6" reports in Lake county. 6.1" at Gurnee is the most I could find. RPM pukes snow into N Cook/DuPage and Lake county. It's spitting out nearly 6" at ORD. Models tend to underdo the snow ratios. NW IN gets hammered later tomorrow and continues all night into Wed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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