wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Seems like we have just worked our way into a 2011 analog in the last couple months. 2011 was the coldest spring in history in Seattle. And it rained all the way through June. So... only 4 months to go until some consistent nice weather. Hah. But yeah, 2011 has worked out pretty well starting with that mild surge in mid-January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Heavy shower of mixed snow and rain going on here and 37F.Was the same here at 36 degrees. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 2014 also had the wettest March in SEA history, with more than an inch more than the closest competitor. So yeah...wettest March, wettest October, second wettest December, and second wettest February, all in a 4 year period. That will get you some wet years! A record wet May, June, July, August, or September would not make as much difference for yearly precip, but it would probably rate even higher on the TMI (Tim Misery Index), since the normals expect and want those months to be nicer. 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brennan Posted March 5, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Bryant, Mattias and I went hiking today in southwestern Whatcom County. We started at around 400 feet and reached around 2300 feet . The forest we trekked through on the way up was very dense but it was entirely snow covered above around 1500 feet. By the time we got above 2,000 feet there was well over a foot of snow on the ground. We didn’t bring a yard stick but there was probably just shy of 2 feet of snow in places. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Cool tree. Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 2014 also had the wettest March in SEA history, with more than an inch more than the closest competitor. So yeah...wettest March, wettest October, second wettest December, and second wettest February, all in a 4 year period. That will get you some wet years! A record wet May, June, July, August, or September would not make as much difference for yearly precip, but it would probably rate even higher on the TMI (Tim Misery Index), since the normals expect and want those months to be nicer. Be careful not to belabor the obvious. Long-period records (monthly, seasonal, annual) are built on a handful of shorter-duration extreme episodes. The law of large numbers states that most observations will fall closer to the mean. That's just how it works. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Cool tree.The tree stood out amongst the rest in regards to its size and height. Appears to have been there for much longer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 2014 also had the wettest March in SEA history, with more than an inch more than the closest competitor. So yeah...wettest March, wettest October, second wettest December, and second wettest February, all in a 4 year period. That will get you some wet years! A record wet May, June, July, August, or September would not make as much difference for yearly precip, but it would probably rate even higher on the TMI (Tim Misery Index), since the normals expect and want those months to be nicer.Gotcha digging into the numbers! Its been really wet. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 FWIW... Sunday still looks nice on the 00Z ECMWF. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 The tree stood out amongst the rest in regards to its size and height. Appears to have been there for much longer Yeah, you only see twisting like that on really old trees. Really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 The tree stood out amongst the rest in regards to its size and height. Appears to have been there for much longerLooks burnt? Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deweydog Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 The tree stood out amongst the rest in regards to its size and height. Appears to have been there for much longerLooks like its days are numbered. 1 Quote My preferences can beat up your preferences’ dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Yeah, you only see twisting like that on really old trees. Really cool.What causes the twisting? I'm definitely not knowledgeable at all in regards to trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bainbridgekid Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Bryant, Mattias and I went hiking today in southwestern Whatcom County. We started at around 400 feet and reached around 2300 feet . The forest we trekked through on the way up was very dense but it was entirely snow covered above around 1500 feet. By the time we got above 2,000 feet there was well over a foot of snow on the ground. We didn’t bring a yard stick but there was probably just shy of 2 feet of snow in places.Words cannot describe how delicious those hot dogs were after that hike . . . or how cold my feet were coming down! 2 Quote Everett Snowfall (510 feet elevation) Snow since February 2019: 91" 2023-24: 6" 2022-23: 17.5" 2021-22: 17.75" 2020-21: 14.5” 2019-20: 10.5" 2018-19: 24.75" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Looks burnt?It was. Assuming it survived an old forest fire, hence it being so much bigger than the surrounding trees. Just a guess though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Words cannot describe how delicious those hot dogs were after that hike . . . or how cold my feet were coming down!Says the only one smart enough to wear boots . Had no idea we were going to find 2 feet of snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 What causes the twisting? I'm definitely not knowledgeable at all in regards to trees I actually don't know. I remember one of my professors telling me that once. Pretty much guaranteed old growth if you see twisting like that. Apparently it takes a long time to form. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Looks burnt? I'm guessing it was spared the axe for that reason, when everything else was logged out in that area. Loggers probably figured its wood was worthless. At least not worth the effort of cutting/hauling it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLI snowman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Bryant, Mattias and I went hiking today in southwestern Whatcom County. We started at around 400 feet and reached around 2300 feet . The forest we trekked through on the way up was very dense but it was entirely snow covered above around 1500 feet. By the time we got above 2,000 feet there was well over a foot of snow on the ground. We didn’t bring a yard stick but there was probably just shy of 2 feet of snow in places. Oyster Dome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 We started near Cain Lake on a gravel road, then cut off the trail and basically wen straight up te side of the mountain. Ended up somewhere near the circle... probably inside of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 36 and drizzle here this morning.39 in the valley... and at SEA. It was 40 most of the night at SEA.That clearing in the evening was just temporary behind the main band of precip. The temp went up from 33 to 36 here overnight. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Morning update from Snoqualmie Summit. Snow Reporter's Comments March 5, 2018: Good morning, skiers and snowboarders! I'm pretty pumped for the opening bell this morning at Summit Central (only base area open today 9AM-10PM), as we have received 10 inches of cold, blower powder and half of that falling overnight. The weather experts are calling for snow showers this morning, then picking back up again this evening. See on the slopes at nine and always remember to check with the WSDOT for travel conditions! Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 A record wet May, June, July, August, or September would not make as much difference for yearly precip, but it would probably rate even higher on the TMI (Tim Misery Index), since the normals expect and want those months to be nicer.I lol’ed. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poulsbo Snowman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Words cannot describe how delicious those hot dogs were after that hike . . . or how cold my feet were coming down!Looks fun! Although, I would have left the tennis shoes in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 The tree stood out amongst the rest in regards to its size and height. Appears to have been there for much longerWhen I visited last summer, it definitely struck me how different the trees’ growing habits are over there compared to here, even amongst the same species. Much more slender and upright overall. I especially don’t know how those tall skinny evergreen trees survive high winds. They look like they want to keel over and break in the slightest breeze, lol. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 When I visited last summer, it definitely struck me how different the trees’ growing habits are over there compared to here, even amongst the same species. Much more slender and upright overall. I especially don’t know how those tall skinny evergreen trees survive high winds. They look like they want to keel over and break in the slightest breeze, lol. We have tall hemlocks here that look completely flimsy... but that works to their advantage in the wind. The hemlocks behind our house will bend way over in the wind and then pop right back up when it calms down. They are sort of like a ski slalom pole. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MossMan Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 34 with very light drizzle. Quote Elevation 580’ Location a few miles east of I-5 on the Snohomish Co side of the Snohomish/Skagit border. I love snow/cold AND sun/warmth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 We have tall hemlocks here that look completely flimsy... but that works to their advantage in the wind. The hemlocks behind our house will bend way over in the wind and then pop right back up when it calms down.That’s interesting. Must be how individual species adapt to that climate. Around here it’s always those stall spindly evergreens that drop first in high winds. Speaking of Hemlocks, this is a pretty sad story out of Mt. Vernon. I remember that tree. One of most beautiful ones on the property. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Wow, mid 20s at Eugene this morning! Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 12Z GFS brings back a warm Sunday... agrees with the ECMWF again. Still not sure it will hold though. Rain is moving in fast that evening. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 When I visited last summer, it definitely struck me how different the trees’ growing habits are over there compared to here, even amongst the same species. Much more slender and upright overall. I especially don’t know how those tall skinny evergreen trees survive high winds. They look like they want to keel over and break in the slightest breeze, lol.A lot of the firs out here are tall but very sturdy, and there is strength in their flexibility. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Today was the 15th straight sub-52 maximum at PDX. This is only the 2nd time since 1971 that we've seen such a cool streak of maximums this late into the winter season. The other was in 2011. Both 2011 and 2018 inched past 1993 on the calendar, which had an 18 day streak end on March 3rd.Looks like today could beat 2011, since it rose to 54 on the 5th that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 When I visited last summer, it definitely struck me how different the trees’ growing habits are over there compared to here, even amongst the same species. Much more slender and upright overall. I especially don’t know how those tall skinny evergreen trees survive high winds. They look like they want to keel over and break in the slightest breeze, lol. There are records of early explorers/pioneers encountering Douglas Firs over 300 feet tall, but only like 3 feet in diameter at the base. Seems weird but these trees pulled it off somehow. And then you read about other Douglas firs that are 6-8 feet in diameter. So it's not even consistent across the species. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Looks like today could beat 2011, since it rose to 54 on the 5th that year. Yep. And if it happens, it will be the latest 16-day streak of sub 52's in half a century. 1951, 1955, 1956, and 1960 (#coldphase) all had streaks longer than 16 days later into the spring. Not once since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phil Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 There are records of early explorers/pioneers encountering Douglas Firs over 300 feet tall, but only like 3 feet in diameter at the base. Seems weird but these trees pulled it off somehow. And then you read about other Douglas firs that are 6-8 feet in diameter. So it's not even consistent across the species.That’s an epic display of aerodynamics right there. If only my 20ft anemometer pole could pull that off, all would be right with my world right now. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Be careful not to belabor the obvious. Long-period records (monthly, seasonal, annual) are built on a handful of shorter-duration extreme episodes. The law of large numbers states that most observations will fall closer to the mean. That's just how it works. Not sure what the point of this post was, other than to belabor the obvious? I never stated otherwise, just identified the specific months that contributed greatly to the wetness of the last 4 years. Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Not sure what the point of this post was, other than to belabor the obvious? I never stated otherwise, just identified the specific months that contributed greatly to the wetness of the last 4 years. I imagine that is almost always the case during extended wet periods. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Ranger Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 Now if we could get a 50s/early 60s style summer. 1958! 1 Quote A forum for the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 A lot of the firs out here are tall but very sturdy, and there is strength in their flexibility.So is it the hardwood species that have more problems with high winds out there? I might be a Mid-Atlantic tree wonk, but I don’t know much about the ecosystems west of the Apps, to be honest. I do know that ~ 75% of our jobs dealing with toppled trees involve exposed/solitary evergreens lacking protection from other evergreens. They seem to grow much better in large packs. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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