Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 There’s been a marked change in the seasonal cycle of the WHEM ITCZ in recent years. The whole thing appears to be lagging by ~ 7 weeks, when compared to 30yrs ago. Autumn wavetrains have become more summerlike, and spring wavetrains have become more winterlike. This is (at least) partially responsible why the high Arctic has been blowtorching during the cold season, yet flips into a colder regime during warm season (I suspect).This pattern feels a little different due to the more expansive nature of the cold. It would be nice to leave the awful warm season patterns of the last five years behind us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 It is. My comment had nothing to do with the temperature up there. I am impressed that your snowcover lasted the night! You should share one last pic with all of us. I will go out and take a pic. It looks like snow but its not melting like regular snow. Its so densely packed. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 This pattern feels a little different due to the more expansive nature of the cold. It would be nice to leave the awful warm season patterns of the last five years behind us.Oh yeah, the spatial orientation of the wavetrain certainly is different now vs 2013-2017. I was just speaking in regards to the seasonal wavenumner/thermal gradient. It’s still transitioning, too. Definitely will be a low frequency affair, it seems. This large scale cold period would have been a western ridgefest just last year..I thought it would lead to ridging again, but the high latitude blocking flat out denied it the necessary tools. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Been awhile since I’ve busted a subseasonal forecast on the warm side, lol. Since 2013 my Achilles heel has been underestimating that +NAO/western ridge background state. If that background state has changed, then I’ll have to adjust. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yesterday morning... And right now... Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 OT, but the cherry blossoms are coming to life here following those mid/upper 70s a few days ago. We have a pretty big one in our yard, and it’s just starting to open up. I’m a bit worried about the weather over the next 10 days though. Risk of stronger thunderstorms and a pressure surge wind event this week, and then snow is possible this coming weekend. That’s usually not the best combo for the blossoms. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yesterday morning... And right now... What is that red-stemmed shrub you have planted there? Some kind of dwarf Asian maple? Looks like a great way to add some winter color. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 What is that red-stemmed shrub you have planted there? Some kind of dwarf Asian maple? Looks like a great way to add some winter color. I get asked that almost every time I post pictures of the yard. Those are Coral Bark Japanese Maples... we have about 10 of them planted around the yard. They provide nice contrast with the red bark in the winter and they also look great in the summer. The leaves are green in the summer and turn brilliant yellow in the fall and last a long time (maybe 6 weeks or more). They get to be 15-20 feet if you don't keep them trimmed. Here is a picture of generally the same view in mid September... just as they are starting to show some color. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Mode Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 What is that red-stemmed shrub you have planted there? Some kind of dwarf Asian maple? Looks like a great way to add some winter color.Looks like coral bark maple to me. I have one in my yard! It's awesome in the winter. I also have a Chief Joseph Pine that turns bright yellow over winter, then back to green in the summer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Kirksville, MO also dropped to 5*F. Lol. Also, interesting tidbit: Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Here is another picture from later in the spring... the tree behind the umbrella is another Coral Bark Japanese Maple. This picture was taken on 5/4/17. We also planted numerous red leaf maples to provide the red contrast during the summer. Those trees have regular bark and look sort of dull in the winter when the coral bark trees look so nice with the bright red bark. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I get asked that almost every time I post pictures of the yard. Those are Coral Bark Japanese Maples... we have about 10 of them planted around the yard. They provide nice contrast with the red bark in the winter and they also look great in the summer. The leaves are green in the summer and turn brilliant yellow in the fall and last a long time (maybe 6 weeks or more). They get to be 15-20 feet if you don't keep them trimmed. Here is a picture of generally the same view in mid September... just as they are starting to show some color. Awesome, thanks man. After such a cold, dull, dead start to 2018, we’re thinking about doing some landscaping to mix things up a bit. This would be a nice addition. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Looks like coral bark maple to me. I have one in my yard! It's awesome in the winter. I also have a Chief Joseph Pine that turns bright yellow over winter, then back to green in the summer.Chief Joseph Pine? I’ll have to google that one. I don’t think I’ve encountered those growing on our clients’ properties, so I’m not sure they grow here, but it sounds like an awesome species. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Awesome, thanks man. After such a cold, dull, dead start to 2018, we’re thinking about doing some landscaping to mix things up a bit. This would be a nice addition. They are not as cold tolerant as other maples. I know they cannot survive in Minnesota. They probably can make it there though. I think they suffer when it goes below zero. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 They are not as cold tolerant as other maples. I know they cannot survive in Minnesota.I suspect we’re far enough south, but I haven’t seen those coral bark maples planted here, so I’ll have to check. When it gets super cold here it’s usually very short lived..lasts a few days then rebounds. The bigger problem our clients run into is having trees wake up during “false springs” only to have them them die back when the cold returns. A few years of false springs and non-native trees/shrubs start to die. It’s been a massive problem this year. Dieback all over the place. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I suspect we’re far enough south, but I haven’t seen those coral bark maples planted here, so I’ll have to check. When it gets super cold here it’s usually very short lived. The bigger problem our clients run into is having trees wake up during “false springs” only to have them them die back when the cold returns. A few years of false springs and non-native trees/shrubs start to die. It’s been a massive problem this year. Dieback all over the place. We have numerous shrubs that were leafing out in late January and early February... then when returned from Hawaii they looked dormant again after that cold spell. I thought they were going to be in trouble this year but now they are leafing out again. I did not even think that was possible. I am pleasantly surprised. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 We have numerous shrubs that were leafing out in late January and early February... then when returned from Hawaii they looked dormant again after that cold spell. I thought they were going to be in trouble this year but now they are leafing out again. I did not even think that was possible. I am pleasantly surprised. By "leafing out" do you mean budding? I can imagine shrubs rebounding from budding a bit too early. But once a plant has fully committed to producing actual leaves for the season it would be pretty unusual to see them step back from that, then start all over a few months later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 By "leafing out" do you mean budding? I can imagine shrubs rebounding from budding a bit too early. But once a plant has fully committed to producing actual leaves for the season it would be pretty unusual to see them step back from that, then start all over a few months later.Actual leaves. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 By "leafing out" do you mean budding? I can imagine shrubs rebounding from budding a bit too early. But once a plant has fully committed to producing actual leaves for the season it would be pretty unusual to see them step back from that, then start all over a few months later.Yeah, once committed to leafout, it seems diebacks and restarts become more problematic. Often times, I’ve seen the entirety of the previous year’s growth killed, and sometimes it’s worse. Growing brand new shoots requires much more energy than starting from preconditioned buds. I’ve personally noticed that most species can handle maybe a year or two of these post-leafout restarts, but after that, they start to succumb to stress. 1 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Here is a picture from early February of these shrubs leafing out... then by March 1st they looked all brown again. Now they look like this again. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Here is a picture from early February of these shrubs leafing out... then by March 1st they looked all brown again. Now they look like this again. What shrubs are those? I can’t tell. There are some woody native shrubs and some black willow species which started leafing out here in February, as well. The former died back and restarted, but the willows are super Sun-sensitive, so they always start leafing out in February. In warm years like 2011/12, the willows along the Potomac river can hold their leaves until December, and regain them in early February. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 You always seem surprised (and sort of annoyed) when its cloudy and warmer up here are night. But it happens all the time... we are usually closer to the storm track. We also have gaps our mountains which plays a key role in the winter. You probably get more clear nights down there in the spring so its built into your averages. I think the average low here is around 38 or 39 for April. The average low in the Snoqualmie Valley never goes below 32... it bottoms out at 32.7 in January. You just assume we are farther north so it must always be colder. Not true... although that is usually the case in the summer. I just looked it up. Average low at Silver Falls for this date is 33, by the end of the month that will climb to 36. Record low for today's date is 24, so its just consistently cool here this time of year. I guess I just assume you would be significantly colder than Seattle. As I am significantly colder than the Willamette Valley. Seattle is one of the milder locations in the western lowlands of the PNW, but I would think your averages would be at least near Olympia or Arlington given your elevation and distance from the water, and in terms of low temps it seems you run warmer than them. Also there are some days you are cloudier and hence warmer, but I don't think that necessarily explains it as our average precip is probably about the same (77" annually here.). Summers and early fall are likely much drier/sunnier here though, I would agree with that. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Actual leaves. There is nothing leafing out at my house. Down on the Willamette River at my office the poplars are leafing, that's it. This is about the same time they leafed out last year. In 2015 they were leafing out by the end of February. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Actual leaves.Bizarro. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Tim’s yard is like some sort of Eden that defies all normal plant behavior. Maybe the highest end fertilizers are just that good.Are you referring to these shrubs specifically? That is what happened. I thought they died and now they are leafing out again. I am not sure how to explain it... other than maybe the leaves close up when it gets really cold. I have never seen them do this before... and they don't appear to open and close on a whim but maybe they have a protective mechanism for a really cold stretch since they also seem to be able to leaf out really early. You act like I am making it up. I am just trying to understand what I am seeing. They leafed out in early February and then looked dormant in early March and are now leafing out again in early April. That happened. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 There is nothing leafing out at my house. Down on the Willamette River at my office the poplars are leafing, that's it. This is about the same time they leafed out last year. In 2015 they were leafing out by the end of February.Our alders are all leafing out now here. In North Bend, there are many types of trees starting to leaf out. Very small leaves which looks like a greenish hue from distance. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 And then another snowstorm next week? Lol, will winter ever end? At the very least, we can all be thankful that we don’t live in N/NE Canada. Looks worse than last year up there, when it was snowing in Quebec in July. Quote Live Weather Cam: https://www.youtube.com/live/KxlIo8-KVpc?si=xKLCFYWbZieAfyh6 PWS Wunderground https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KMDBETHE62 PWS CWOP/NOAA: https://www.weather.gov/wrh/timeseries?site=F3819&hours=72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Are you referring to these shrubs specifically? That is what happened. I thought they died and now they are leafing out again. I am not sure how to explain it... other than maybe the leaves close up when it gets really cold. I have never seen them do this before... and they don't appear to open and close on a whim but maybe they have a protective mechanism for a really cold stretch since they also seem to be able to leaf out really early. You act like I am making it up. I am just trying to understand what I am seeing. They leafed out in early February and then looked dormant in early March and are now leafing out again in early April. That happened.Your guess is as good as mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx_statman Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 There’s been a marked change in the seasonal cycle of the WHEM ITCZ in recent years. The whole thing appears to be lagging by ~ 7 weeks, when compared to 30yrs ago. Autumn wavetrains have become more summerlike, and spring wavetrains have become more winterlike. This is (at least) partially responsible why the high Arctic has been blowtorching during the cold season, yet flips into a colder regime during warm season (I suspect). Very interesting info. I didn't know about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 A lot of low to mid teens in the high spots of Eastern Oregon this morning. Some mid-20s even in the Columbia basin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 The last few GFS runs have hinted at Friday getting close to 70 down here with warm southerly flow, as the baroclinic band lifts north temporarily. If we did hit 70, that would be a pretty odd way to do it this time of year. More of a mid-Octoberish setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happ Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Yesterday morning... And right now... ACER PALMATUM 'SANGO KAKU' CORAL BARK SANGO KAKU JAPANESE MAPLEhttps://mrmaple.com/collections/buy-japanese-maples-california/products/buy-acer-palmatum-sango-kaku-coral-bark-japanese-maple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Rhodies blooming down the road... with remnant snow on the ground. (and another Coral Bark Japanese Maple) Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest happ Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 I love the thin blanket of snow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherfan2012 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 OT, but...like...wut? April is the new March Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Friday looks crazy cold across the upper Midwest on the 12z Euro. Also digs a deep western trough in the mid-long range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverFallsAndrew Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Rhodies blooming down the road... with remnant snow on the ground. (and another Coral Bark Japanese Maple) What the heck! Rhodies don’t bloom until late April/May in the Willamette Valley. Up here more towards the end of May. Quote Snowfall Precip 2022-23: 95.0" 2022-23: 17.39" 2021-22: 52.6" 2021-22: 91.46" 2020-21: 12.0" 2020-21: 71.59" 2019-20: 23.5" 2019-20: 58.54" 2018-19: 63.5" 2018-19: 66.33" 2017-18: 30.3" 2017-18: 59.83" 2016-17: 49.2" 2016-17: 97.58" 2015-16: 11.75" 2015-16: 68.67" 2014-15: 3.5" 2013-14: 11.75" 2013-14: 62.30 2012-13: 16.75" 2012-13: 78.45 2011-12: 98.5" 2011-12: 92.67" It's always sunny at Winters Hill! Fighting the good fight against weather evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TT-SEA Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 What the heck! Rhodies don’t bloom until late April/May in the Willamette Valley. Up here more towards the end of May. They have a variety planted along the roads up here that typically bloom by late February or early March. The rhodies we have planted in our yard bloom in May as usual. Quote **REPORTED CONDITIONS AND ANOMALIES ARE NOT MEANT TO IMPLY ANYTHING ON A REGIONAL LEVEL UNLESS SPECIFICALLY STATED** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawniganLake Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 They have a variety planted along the roads up here that typically bloom by late February or early March. The rhodies we have planted in our yard bloom in May as usual.There are thousands of varieties that bloom from February thru June. One of my customers has a couple hundred and he documents their bloom time each spring. They were about 3 weeks late last year. Haven’t asked him how they are doing this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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