Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Alright folks, the post Christmas storm looks like it will indeed develop somewhere across the Plains and then eventually track up towards the GL's region. Who will score in the snow dept? Winter T-Storms and severe wx down south?? Mixed bag?? This storm will have it all. Models are showing a wide variety of storm tracks which will keep things interesting for some on here over the next few days. There has been a trend on some models for this system to max out in intensity out in the Plains and then slowly weaken and occlude across the MW/GL's which has happened in some storm systems this season. We don't have to go back to far and one of the storms that sticks out was the powerful Nov 29th - Dec 2nd storm. Another piece to the puzzle I'm noticing is the increasing blocking across S Canada which is slowing this system down somewhat. Let's dive into the various models and see what is being suggested....first off, the GEFS have been pretty steady on taking a more southern solution and digging this energy into OK and then tracking through IL/MI. last night, the 00z GEPS trended this way as well while the EPS is holding steady with the farthest N solution. Hang on to your hats, it's going to be a fun system to track. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Last night's 00z EPS showing a pretty wide band of 6"+ across NE/SD/MN and the 2" mean did shift a bit farther south this run. I must say, the way the models are handling this system reminds me of the early Dec storm we saw earlier in the month. 00z GEFS are shown below and holding steady... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 00z Ukie showing a strong HP across S Manitoba/Saskatchewan and it looks like it starts occluding early on with copious precip in NE/SD/S MN. Hard to tell if its all snow or a mix variety in NE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormhunter87 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Fv3 is showing some interesting banding plus I think thermals are going to play a role. Maybe not at the beginning but definitely a little later in the storm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Fv3 is showing some interesting banding plus I think thermals are going to play a role. Maybe not at the beginning but definitely a little later in the storm.These are the kind of details that will be ironed out 24-36 hours prior to the storms arrival and I'm pretty sure this is going to be another nail biter around your area. Timing of the occlusion is going to be a key component to look for, esp up north near MSP area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 NWS Hastings saying they believe the area with greatest chance of snow, possibly heavy, is anyplace west of a line from Norfolk to Grand Island to Phillipsburg KS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormhunter87 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Nam going white Christmas here. Going to miss that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 12z NAM going with a pretty robust wave on Christmas Day before the main storm. A few inches for parts of NE, MN, IA, WI and N IL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormhunter87 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 3k saying to warm interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Icon completely different from GFS. Way far southeast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Icon completely different from GFS. Way far southeast.Indeed, I think the Euro may be under playing how much the energy digs in the 4 corners. The NE PAC Ridge really fires up during this period of time and this usually suppress’s storm systems coming out of the SW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Icon is a dream run. Looks like a 2 part system with the 2nd part being the main show. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 If Icon verified, parts of Nebraska that could get 20” plus in GFS or Euro would get 0. I would be on the Western edge and basically missed of moisture, rain or snow. No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Gfs coming in a little different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 GFS has precipitation from the Rio Grande to northwest South Dakota. Mercy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Each of the last three runs on gfs it’s been digging father and farther south 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Seems to be slowing down some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 GFS at 114 has my area potentially being hit by thunderstorms, and many types of precipitation over a very short distance. I would take this run any day for the moisture. Snow would be a bonus imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 GFS hour 126 low over Salina KS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Gets down to 990 this run at 126 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 It definitely digs more but ends up in the same location at 132. Bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Dubzz Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lookin like a nice little post-Christmas rainstorm. Let this thrilling season continue! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 12z GFS was a fun run. A lot of wind and my location is close to 12”. This storm I’m sure has more surprises in store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Looks like the GEM reverts back to its previous solutions. Way north from 0z run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 GEM shares more snow with more of the forum, just not the insane amounts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabel23 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 One things for certain, this storm is gonna have a lot of moisture with it! Someone is gonna get buried by this storm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan1117 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Lookin like a nice little post-Christmas rainstorm. Let this thrilling season continue!Yeah after a very promising start, December for the most part has been a dud. And I can't even complain, with the surprise snowstorm that hit Eastern Nebraska to start the month - while most everyone else got the shaft. This system looks to be the icing on the cake with a large rainstorm for most of us to end the month of December, bleh! I would take some thunderstorms to end off 2018 though, if we aren't able to get much snow around here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 FV3 low at hour 108 in northwest Oklahoma. Copious moisture transporting northward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 12z FV3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro digging it farther south than previous runs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro at hour 96 low in Mexico southwest of El Paso, hour 120 Northwest Oklahoma 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro almost unchanged or maybe a tick NW at hr 144 compared to 12z yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Money Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro almost unchanged or maybe a tick NW at hr 144 compared to 12z yesterday.Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormhunter87 Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Good burst of snow on Christmas and the nam has the low in southern AZ and NM border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro says frigid air to pour down the Plains when the storm departs next weekend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentralNebWeather Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Euro has moved the 12” snow line farther east by about 50-75 miles from what I can guess on weather.us from the 0z run. My county would vary from 8-16” with 20” amounts moved east over parts of Central Nebraska. Interesting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 The 12z GFS op run has snowfall totals higher than every member of the GEFS ensembles here. Something to keep an eye on going forward. Op run might be too juiced....maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted December 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Taking a look through the 12z EPS members, its scary similar at this distance to how the Nov 29th - Dec 2nd storm evolved. Almost an identical track through the KC region and into IA/WI. Take a gander at this snowfall mean...that is about as juiced up as you see this model 5-7 days out. C/N NE into Minny special??? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosaints Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Headed to the northwoods of wi next week. Could be a good spot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Paul Storm Posted December 22, 2018 Report Share Posted December 22, 2018 Good luck!Still way too much time. Fun to track though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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